Been on methadone for ages and I want to use

[the_ketaman]

I have been on the MMT program for a while(2 years) at 80mg and at that dose even if I have 2 days off I barely feel a shot of whatever. I just had 300mg morphine and am a little bit high but not even close to nodding and very disappointed, it was a waste IMHO. I am not sure I want to completely get off methadone but I want to be able to use and not need enormous amounts of drug and actually feel it. Im not sure how to do this though. Its not like I want to use often, seriously, only once or twice a month. I do miss the druggy life, I never went to jail or did anything I consider morally wrong except emotional things to family and friends.

I dont understand how so many others on the program still use often and feel it and are sometimes on more methadone than me!...WTF??? A lot of people are surprised when I need to do 1/2g of the best heroin around to feel something close to what id like(certainly 10x higher than I am now )...Sorry not dicksizing. Its true though, opiates pull you in and no matter how much methadone im on, I still want to feel that high, the one thing methadone is good for is keeping you from getting sick and thats why I continue to use it, I am increasingly thinking that id rather go through the rollorcoaster of opiate use than the depression and control of a methadone habit(thats what I call it)...And thats the least of it.


THX

 

[villian]

If you are on 80mg of methadone you are going to have to use large doses if you want to get high, there isn't really any way around that..

 

[the_ketaman]

Yeah I want to reduce my dose to a point where I can feel a shot of H if I take a day off, im just not sure if I reduce my dose to say 40mg a day if I will be extremely uncomfortable and whether even then I will feel a dose of other opies apart from methadone.

What about bupe, if I get on bupe(something I was kind of thinking of doing anyway) do you feel the H more after the half-life of the bupe is over compared to methadone?

The thing is, I dont really drink coz I dont like it and my build up of stress over the days and weeks and months ends up getting hard(just like everyone else feels) other people have their ways of letting off stress including alcohol and I have ways pf letting off steam but the way I prefer is heroin and I feel like that is a right to me though obviously legally it is not. So when that level of stress gets so high that I really cant handle life anymore, a shot of H can help me relax and forget about my problems and not feel like I need it again for a long time(in a drug users time lol) It can be a cure(maybe temporary but sometimes thats all you need) to suicidal feelings, anxiety, depression though it can also cause a certain kind of depression and many other mental, psychological and physical pains. I am disappointed from the bottom of my heart that heroin and other opiates are illegal to people who choose to want to use them.

Sorry I got carried away, im just really disappointed at how not-high I am even after this long off the 'done and how much money was spent :/ Ope pills are not cheaper for higher dose opiate addicts, I got these MS-Contins cheap too!

 

[Christ!]

Yeah I want to reduce my dose to a point where I can feel a shot of H if I take a day off, im just not sure if I reduce my dose to say 40mg a day if I will be extremely uncomfortable and whether even then I will feel a dose of other opies apart from methadone.

What about bupe, if I get on bupe(something I was kind of thinking of doing anyway) do you feel the H more after the half-life of the bupe is over compared to methadone?

Sorry I got carried away, im just really disappointed at how not-high I am even after this long off the 'done and how much money was spent :/ Ope pills are not cheaper for higher dose opiate addicts, I got these MS-Contins cheap too!

You just really need to lower your tolerance...80mg of methadone is a fair bit.

I'd recommend bupe, no where near as 'strong' as methadone and I feel better when I'm taking it. Might not be the best option for you though, it blocks opiates really well so you have to wait maybe 2-3 days to feel H properly. If you wanted to switch to bupe you'd have to taper down your methadone dose and it still wouldn't be good times, you'd go through a bit of pain doing the switch. If you waited until the bupe was completely out of your system and then dosed H, yes you'd feel it more than on 80mg of methadone.

If I were you I'd start tapering my methadone. Ask your doctor if you can start reducing your dose. You want to be dropping your dose by 5 mg every three to 14 days...if you get down to 30-40mg of methadone you'd be able to feel other opiates much more and take much less.

Yeah I want to reduce my dose to a point where I can feel a shot of H if I take a day off, im just not sure if I reduce my dose to say 40mg a day if I will be extremely uncomfortable and whether even then I will feel a dose of other opies apart from methadone.

If you reduce slowly you probably won't notice it that much.

Pretty tricky situation...sounds like you are definitely wanting to use which seems kind of counterproductive to me.

 

[the_ketaman]

Sorry if I didnt mention. I didnt have my shot while im "on" the methadone, I waited at least 38 hours after my last dose.

 

[hazejunk]

I'm on 90mg of methadon and have the same problem as you.
I can shoot 0,5mg or more in one shot and i feel almost nothing.
And i also know people that are on more methadone then my and get a nod from 0,2 of the heroin i get. So iknow it's not a tollerance problem.

If i take 180mg methadone i feel pretty good but i can't do that everyday.
Other then tampering of the methadone i don't know what could help.

 

[Christ!]

Sorry if I didnt mention. I didnt have my shot while im "on" the methadone, I waited at least 38 hours after my last dose.

Yeah, if you're waiting 38 hours the 'blocking effect' of the methadone will be reduced but not completely.

The fact is your tolerance is really big. It's not uncommon for people on high doses of methadone to need ridiculous amounts of other opiates to get high.

If we compared your dose of 80mg of methadone with the amount of H you used to need to get high (before the methadone) the methadone would probably be a fair bit stronger and actually increased your tolerance even more.

 

[waldo777]

A friend of mine has been on Bup for around 3 years, started at 32mg's and is now down to 6mg's. He has the same problem, that is, even after waiting 3 days, his normal pre-bup dose does nothing, just gets him normal. He thinks the prolonged use of Bup has actually raised his tolerance even when the bup is completely out of his system. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Has the bup MT taken all the joy out of opiates forever? I ask because it seems the only way to get the euphoria back would be to take a dangerously high dose of opiates...

 

[Christ!]

A friend of mine has been on Bup for around 3 years, started at 32mg's and is now down to 6mg's. He has the same problem, that is, even after waiting 3 days, his normal pre-bup dose does nothing, just gets him normal. He thinks the prolonged use of Bup has actually raised his tolerance even when the bup is completely out of his system. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Has the bup MT taken all the joy out of opiates forever? I ask because it seems the only way to get the euphoria back would be to take a dangerously high dose of opiates...

Does nothing at all?

That's surprising, he should feel something even if it's just a bit of itching and slight changed mindstate.

On second thoughts though..I remember being on 6mg and it was actually pretty strong despite what the doctor said.

I got started at a high dose of bup, didn't really need that much though. Had a heavy habit and 2mg actually covered me ok..but I always thought more bup = better which isn't true I've found out.

Felt way better on 0.2-2mg than anything higher.

Found this -

2 mg of buprenorphine is equal to roughly 80 milligrammes of morphine

from Wikipedia

So yeah, his tolerance could definitely have been increased. I think maybe some doctors aim to get patients on a high enough dose where their regular opiates won't be worth it, as well as to keep them comfortable.

Tell your friend to keep cutting his dose...it's all pretty easy until you hit under 1mg IME, hardest part is getting off that last tiny bit.

 

[eon_blue]

A friend of mine has been on Bup for around 3 years, started at 32mg's and is now down to 6mg's. He has the same problem, that is, even after waiting 3 days, his normal pre-bup dose does nothing, just gets him normal. He thinks the prolonged use of Bup has actually raised his tolerance even when the bup is completely out of his system. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Has the bup MT taken all the joy out of opiates forever? I ask because it seems the only way to get the euphoria back would be to take a dangerously high dose of opiates...

Your friend needs to wait longer than a few days then, bupe has a +/- 24 hour half life and therefore a single 6mg dose will take close to a week to be completely out of his system. If he takes that dose daily then he might have to wait even longer.

That said, even after 3 days though he should feel something when he uses. When I was on sub, I would stop taking it 24 hours before using H and if I used slightly more than I normally had to, I would still feel it strong.

 

[waldo777]

Well its been amost 5 days, and while he feels something, it is very slight and week, hopefully that will change...His question is then, is there a simple way to determine powdered heroin's potency? Is there an equivalent to the bleach or burning techniques used to determine cocaine's general potency? Perhaps its been so long my friend cannot judge good quality heroin anymore, and thus be taking too high of a dose, or possibly too low of a dose?

Any help appreciated, thanks

 

[BlueberryfishY]

pretty much a no go

 

[8L4YN3]

The methadone has raised your tolerance a fair bit. All you can do is taper down to a lower dose of methadone, raise your heroin dose, or use drugs with stronger breakthrough ability like Hydromorphone or Oxymorphone.

But yeah what else do you expect ketaman, your tolerance is pretty big, only two ways you can really get around this you know.

 

[waldo777]

"Blueberryfishy" What did you mean by, "pretty much a no go" ?

And "8L4YN3" why are oxymorphone and hydromorphone less inhibited/blocked by suboxone/methadone?

 

[hazejunk]

For al the people that say it's a tollerance problem. Why is that I and the_ketaman both know people that are on the same dose of methadone (and some times higher). So there tollerance is about the same. But they get high of a smaller dose of heroin then I and the_ketaman do?

 

[waldo777]

"HazeJunk", I get where you and Ketman are coming from, my only thought is that maybe these other people on the same or higher dose, haven't been taking the methadone as long as you two have been taking it, or that they did not use as heavily or for as long before getting on the methadone as you two have. These are just ideas, I have no proof to back them up, but they seem plausible enough. I'm still wondering why after a full week off of the subutex, my friend doesn't experience and euphoria from dope anymore? All it does is keep him from getting sick....

So I ask, does ANYONE know of a simple test to get a general idea of how pure/potent powdered heroin is? Something like the heating and bleach tests for cocaine but for heroin instead? Like I said before, maybe the junk is bunk and everyone on a methadone or buprenorphine MT has had they're neurons so fried they can't judge quality by subjective effects? I dunno just throwing it out there

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Its tolerance, what else do you think it could be? Your friends are getting good shit and your not, that's why they are able to get high still even though their on higher doses. That is the only other explanation. Your on too high of a dose to feel anything except your friends get better shit than you and still can catch a buzz.

 

[waldo777]

Its tolerance, what else do you think it could be? Your friends are getting good shit and your not, that's why they are able to get high still even though their on higher doses. That is the only other explanation. Your on too high of a dose to feel anything except your friends get better shit than you and still can catch a buzz.

Hey "K'd-OUT-in-AZ",

I'm a little confused by your last post, basically your saying that its either an issue of being unaware of one's own tolerance, or that the heroin being used is very low quality.
To me those are kinda two sides of the same coin, and I would assume people with this sort of problem would know they're tolerance well. Even if this isn't true, I'm sure anyone with this problem would try using more and more w/in what they think is a safe range to overcome any tolerance or quality problems with the heroin.
BUT, you've touched on my friends main question, which is:

--If one hasn't used heroin in years b/c they've been on methadone or buprenorphine for a long time, if they aren't getting high (euphoric and noddy) from large doses after the metadone/Bup. Has worn off, is there a way to visually estimate the heroin's purity? Since it is unsafe to keep taking larger doses to get high b/c you don't know if its your maintenance drug blocking the effects or if it's b/c your dope is poor quality, we should be able to discover a way to answer this question in an easy way...

I have previously used the melting point test and bleach test used on cocaine as examples of something to be used on heroin.
IS THERE AN EASY WAY TO ESTIMATE THE PURITY OF HEROIN???----(either for the HCL form or the base form)

 

[BananasAndOranges]

Its tolerance, what else do you think it could be? Your friends are getting good shit and your not, that's why they are able to get high still even though their on higher doses. That is the only other explanation. Your on too high of a dose to feel anything except your friends get better shit than you and still can catch a buzz.

No Shit G!

I could barley catch a buzz off a gram or so of some decent dope when I was on 30mgs....and if I did it wasnt fun. You guys that keep using are making your tolerance even higher when using other shit ontop of methadone or on the side. You're never going to get better. I wouldnt even try getting high while on methadone after 30mgs. I feel stupid even going up past 60mgs....Seriously. Just slow it down. Nothing is going to get you an opiate nod besides a larger dose of methadone and some benzos which is very dangerous and Idiotic. I never had a fun time on opiates. I don't know how or why I landed myself on MMT. It was a dumb move. I wish I never did it but we gotta take the initial responsibility of getting clean. Its not even an option to use. I hate using. If I had weed I wouldnt even touch dexedrine. I hate the fact I started taking it everyday and Now I got 100 problems. Fuck that shit you guys. Very very irresponsible sorry. I also wouldnt mind going to lalalaland every once in awhile but its not worth my tolerance being anymore fucked than it is. Think about if you had to get surgery. How irritating would that be while on MMT!? fuck.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Hey "K'd-OUT-in-AZ",

I'm a little confused by your last post, basically your saying that its either an issue of being unaware of one's own tolerance, or that the heroin being used is very low quality.
To me those are kinda two sides of the same coin, and I would assume people with this sort of problem would know they're tolerance well. Even if this isn't true, I'm sure anyone with this problem would try using more and more w/in what they think is a safe range to overcome any tolerance or quality problems with the heroin

This is what I'm saying...

Friends are able to get high and they are on higher doses. Only assumption is that they have better shit. However, neither of you should be able to get high because the dose of Methadone that your on. After you reach a certain dose it should be blocking the effects of other opioids.