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Why isn't Ecstasy legal?

I think the laws are perfectly fine, do it at your own risk, sell it at your own risk, prescription for this is ridicules it gives you brain damage I'm living fucking proof so don't go taking about "Scientific Studies". MDMA is a serious thing, but I'm not going to get involved in this conversation because I won't have the time to reply. I know more about the scientific damage it causes then the laws them self.
 
Why is weed schedule I is probably the better question.

Life in prision because of any drug is fucking stupid, especially MDMA. However, I think many MDMA users need to face the fact that MDMA is NOT a safe drug, nor is it a drug that won't cause permanent damage.

Imo it belongs in schedule I, it dosen't really have any medical use with the exception of possible treatment for PTSD, but that has much studying to do. Sure MDMA isn't THAT harmful, but it sure affected me significantly for months after using it only 7-8 times total, no more frequently than once a week. (usually not that frequent)

However, meth and coke are both schedule II. That's just fucking stupid, meth is one of the most damaging drugs in existance, coke not being far from it. There is absouletly no reason to use either of them in any medical setting, the medical uses of meth are well controlled with other less harmful stimulants, same with coke. The only advantage is they usually work if the "weaker" stimulants don't, but is that really worth the brain damage?

MDMA should be scheduled lower than either meth or coke without a doubt, but imo they should all be schedule I. I know there is some research to suggest MDMA can treat depression, but this dosen't make much sense in my mind, as your depression is "cured" for two hours and then gets worse for two weeks.

As for alcohol being more harmful than MDMA, not sure I can agree with that. Alcohol is certainly harmful, but use MDMA once a week for 6 months and compare that to using alcohol three times a week for 6 months, I'm pretty sure MDMA would result in a lot more damage. Nevertheless, alcohol is 100% legal, and it's certainly more harmful than a lot of recreational drugs that are illegal, so the fact remains that the CSA is run off complete political bullshit. (Especially since weed is schedule I!)
 
I ask myself the same question every day.
I was nearly charged for trafficking one day because I had 6 pills, all in different baggies, and a 20 dollar bill, hah. The cops tried to scare me by saying "you're going to jail for a long, long time." But then another officer believed me that I was using them for recreational use and that the dealer gave them to me like that, so they took them and let me go. :D
I like the officers where I live, they're fairly understanding.
 
If E were legal, it would be able to be easily regulated and people could get pills that they know were pure. It would make it so much safer for people. E can be less harmful than alcohol if used right, and people ruin their lives all the time for alcohol. Why isn't ecstasy legal?
 
There isn't a drug law out there that is based on logic or reason. They are fueled by propaganda and science is ignored. These laws are not put in place to help anyone either. It's a damn shame, but it's likely going to be a while before anything even begins to change. Such a cruel world...
 
rolling_anon said:
This can be said for almost every illegal substance...

It's called the drug war my friend.
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But ecstasy has been proven to treat things like PTSD and other psychological issues. It is not physically addictive and is probably one of the better "hard drugs" for you.
 
sweetamishbutter said:
But ecstasy has been proven to treat things like PTSD and other psychological issues. It is not physically addictive and is probably one of the better "hard drugs" for you.
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They won't even legalize pot lol, you think E has any chance in hell if they won't even legalize pot?
 
wiiwee said:
They won't even legalize pot lol, you think E has any chance in hell if they won't even legalize pot?
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Everyone knows that doctors in approved states gives out green cards for nothing and the only reason that it wasn't legalized in California in November is because the prop was written so horribly. E has a 10/12 success rate for treating PTSD.
 
sweetamishbutter said:
But ecstasy has been proven to treat things like PTSD and other psychological issues. It is not physically addictive and is probably one of the better "hard drugs" for you.
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Well yes, but drugs like heroin and ketamine and cocaine have well-established medical uses, and they're not legal to buy over-the-counter :)

MDMA is illegal because it carries a risk of harm.

That's a dumb reason, but that's the reason. Same as for every other illegal drug.

But wait you say: what about alcohol? Well, they tried to ban that remember, but they couldn't - too many people drink.

But wait, you say the risks of MDMA, though real, are very small. Again, you're right. But no government is going to legalise anything that has any risk - they'll be crucified by the popular press - and by most of the population, let's face it.

Again, you say (as the first poster did) that legalisation would make MDMA safer - we'd know what we were getting, we could be more open about getting help if we had problems, the dosages would be controlled, etc. All true. But do you think the politicians know that? I really doubt that most of them do (and for a while I followed this shit really closely in my own country, I even sat in meetings with politicians - and the level of knowledge is NOT high).

Even if we get politicians to accept that legalisation is safer, can you imagine what would happen if politician A successfully lobbies for legalisation, and then someone dies? (And someone would). What would their opponents say? What would the media say? No politician will take the risk, because, for them, the risk is far higher than the benefits (for them) of supporting legalisation.

Now that's all depressing. But I think we can win this. But it's going to take a hell of a lot of effort, and we're going to have to convince the people around us, till we can get a majority support for this position. We need to make it safe for politicians to support legalisation.
 
^^^^ it seems like they could simply point out the millions (exaggeration or idk the actual number, but its alot) of alcohol related deaths and compare it to the minuscule PURE ecstasy related deaths. It's just not fair =(
 
I fell off a ladder yesterday, and broke 20 bones in my body.
I am now proposing a bill to ban ladders, because they hurt people.
That is the logic of America.


Completely disregard the possible benefits of the ladder, and just look at the possible negatives.
Absolutely no cost-benefit analyzation, purely This law will dictate that for you.
You can no longer use ladders, because I got hurt, regardless of how much ladders can help your day to day life.
 
Mmmh we can say that the legalization of e is an utopia?? yeah??
So Ill push this lil bit furher and ask: what if they were putting the cash that they put in the war in the drugs research? "a perfect drug that make our life perfect without, even smaller, risk".
I think the fact is for both our question that the world is governed by people with really bad values(im not sure thats the way to say what I try to say in english, tell me if it dont make any sense^^). More than that, most of the people dont know why they are here(personnaly, I think that we live to be happy.. maybe Im wrong), what can we do in such an "ignorant" world??
 
VincentOnE said:
I fell off a ladder yesterday, and broke 20 bones in my body.
I am now proposing a bill to ban ladders, because they hurt people.
That is the logic of America.


Completely disregard the possible benefits of the ladder, and just look at the possible negatives.
Absolutely no cost-benefit analyzation, purely This law will dictate that for you.
You can no longer use ladders, because I got hurt, regardless of how much ladders can help your day to day life.
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That and a lot of people in my generation [im in my early 20's] dont want to be an informed individual and rely on others to think for them. Kinda like having a puppy. You have to make sure that stuff like electrical cords and other small bits and pieces arent on the ground or in reach so they dont choke. The only reason(s) they do it is because they are ignorant and or stupid.

Lots of people that I have known are the same way they are ignorant and dont want to learn or advance their understanding about many things and only spout stuff they heard from people and took it as truth. The fact they dont want to learn (do research about the drugs they take for instance) would lead them into bad situations due to recklessness and ignorance/stupidity. Gotta either "save" the stupid ones from themselves by denial of the "dangerous" things or let them kill/harm themselves and more than likely others. Thats another possible justification for the janky laws.
 
There's quite a few reasons why I wouldn't want Ecstasy to be legalized...

- Sure, it would be amazing, but that also means that the MDMA levels in it would be regulated, and it would be PURE mdma, nothing more, nothing less, no other fun stuff. :p

- I really wouldn't want everyone trying to be friends with me, being nice to me, etc, when I know it's just the drugs talking.

- It would most likely be a prescribed drug, meaning that a lot of dealers would probably stop making it, there wouldn't be many different kinds, because anybody prescribing Ecstasy wouldn't give you a yellow pill with a gun on it, or a happy face, or a dolphin, etc. It would all be the same high.

- So many people would think "oh, the doctors give it out, it must be alright to take it every day and get high as fuck!" and you think, oh well everybody would be high on MDMA, that would be amazing, then comes the depression, things could possibly even become worse from legalizing it, people could get pretty fucked up.

But that's just my opinion. I think it's just fine when it's illegal because I'm not stupid, and I don't get caught by the cops or any of that non-sense, when I need it, I have it on the go, sure it would stop everybody getting dirty pills, piperazine and everything, but that's what testing kits are for.
 
I would support it being decriminalized in personal amounts, but as for legalization or prescribing it i'm not so sure..
 
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