yeah. sub definately isn't 'done. if you are like me you won't get the same satisfied feeling you do from done. you'll feel normal after about a week of sub, but it won't be the same. at least for me, i could always tell that done was in my system, while with sub it just felt like nothing was there, no wd, no drugs. hard to explain, but you'll see what i mean.
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Yo, Catbird: Yeah, I'm starting to think that's gonna be the case. And that's fine, really. I'm gonna be on methadone for at least 8 more weeks before I switch to the Suboxone, if at all. Who knows what'll happen, but I figure one has to experience SOME discomfort if one wants to be totally opiate-free, so no big deal. I just had no idea what to expect, though I'm seeing all these kids gettin' STONED on Suboxone! Guess I'm simply beyond all that, given my history and tolerance. And hell, that's prolly a GOOD thing!
Take care.
Take care.
SubDude
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Man... your doing great and I'm pulling for you. I really hope you don't need to go back to the subs when the Kratom is done. I'm worried that will be the most difficult part for you.
I'm planning on dropping down to .33mg [liquid] in a couple of weeks and then down to .25mg after that. I did that once before and only lasted about 5-6 days at .25... hoping this time will be better. If so... will be getting some kratom/clonodine for the finish line. I already have seroquel and Klonopin.
SubDude
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Make sure you think this thru and know what to expect. It was a MAJOR adjustment for me when I switched from methadone to subs nearly 2 yrs ago. I was coherced into switching and didn't [and still don't] like the results. But then I was on MMT for about 15yrs and had monthy takehomes. This allowed me to manipulate my dose with benzos and booze to get a nice buzz about twice a week. I could also double dose when I had a full day of activity ahead of me and it kept me going all day. These don't work for me with subs.
If your switching as part of a taper off plan... go for it. Otherwise, take it slowly and think it thru. Also talk to several others who have switched.
Caseface, from what i've read you're doing two things wrong. the first is straining out the leaves. you'll want to eat the leaves as you are probably loosing good stuff. the second is making tea at all as heat supposedly destroys the alkaloids. i'd just mix with tap water and chug.
oh, if you try this let us know. i hope find my kratom in the mailbox today.
oh, and i'm a Bluelighter bitches!
oh, if you try this let us know. i hope find my kratom in the mailbox today.
oh, and i'm a Bluelighter bitches!
Been&Done
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^^^ Welcome to Bluelight 
My gf thinks that Subutex is fucking our sex life, hmm. Well, i'm tapering and after those last 20 pills, i'll hopefully be Opiates-free, and will probably be cumming in a minute or 2, haaa, we'll see if she'll like this But, i'm sure it will keep getting better, as it happened after my 10 years of H.
I'v got to say that it was really good sometimes to be able to fuck for 45 mns but cumming was a different story, even my hardness was not a full one and the girls who knew me well, knew that i normally get harder. Anyways, Sex and opiates are a weird mix, but im hopefully done soon.
My gf thinks that Subutex is fucking our sex life, hmm. Well, i'm tapering and after those last 20 pills, i'll hopefully be Opiates-free, and will probably be cumming in a minute or 2, haaa, we'll see if she'll like this
But, i'm sure it will keep getting better, as it happened after my 10 years of H.I'v got to say that it was really good sometimes to be able to fuck for 45 mns but cumming was a different story, even my hardness was not a full one and the girls who knew me well, knew that i normally get harder. Anyways, Sex and opiates are a weird mix, but im hopefully done soon.
caseface99
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^^ Hey Been&Done, turns out last night the tea was a fluke. I ended up wasting a bunch because I brewed tea with way more then i use in the gel caps and it didn't make me feel 100%. So at like 330am i ended up eating the last 10 gel caps i had that i was saving for this morning, and i STILL feel 100% since eating them, its like 130pm now so obviously the tea is just a shitty way to dose up. Unless i was doing it wrong, but meh, it's a pain in the ass. Definitely wont be using that method again considering how much infinitely better the gel caps work. So when you jump sub with kratom definitely invest in caps yourself.
Now I just have to hope my girlfriends car gets done being worked on at the shop before i need to dose again so i can buy caps, otherwise I'm going to be downing spoonfuls of this shit again, which isn't fun.
Now I just have to hope my girlfriends car gets done being worked on at the shop before i need to dose again so i can buy caps, otherwise I'm going to be downing spoonfuls of this shit again, which isn't fun.
Cognitive_Shift
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Hey i'm new to bluelight.
So i using heroin for a year and a half, towards the end of my use i was using 1.5 grams a day. Went to rehab for 30 days, lived in a half way house for 60. After coming home i quickly relapsed... anyway this was about a month ago and yesterday i went on suboxone. It was amazing how easy it was to get the script. I didn't even have to take a UA or anything, it was just like "Oh you have the money, here is the script!"
Anyway i just thought i would like to say hello and make a post over here at BL (not really my home forum) Gonna keep reading this thread, i registered today because BL has a much better discussion on this topic then my home.
So i using heroin for a year and a half, towards the end of my use i was using 1.5 grams a day. Went to rehab for 30 days, lived in a half way house for 60. After coming home i quickly relapsed... anyway this was about a month ago and yesterday i went on suboxone. It was amazing how easy it was to get the script. I didn't even have to take a UA or anything, it was just like "Oh you have the money, here is the script!"
Anyway i just thought i would like to say hello and make a post over here at BL (not really my home forum) Gonna keep reading this thread, i registered today because BL has a much better discussion on this topic then my home.
Cognitive_Shift
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How come my avatar isn't showing up? Sorry for being a noob, just wondering.
caseface99
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Welcome to Bluelight!
If I were you, be wary of that doctor. He sounds like the type to just throw pills/suboxone at you, leading to a VERY long suboxone maintenance. If you don't want to be on the stuff for over a year make that known to the guy now. If he isn't totally supportive of what you want to do in terms of the length of time your on sub, then find a new doctor.
Maybe the file was too large? Go to "user cp" at the top under the Bluelight banner, and try adding it again but watch to see if it works or if it says something like "file too large"
If I were you, be wary of that doctor. He sounds like the type to just throw pills/suboxone at you, leading to a VERY long suboxone maintenance. If you don't want to be on the stuff for over a year make that known to the guy now. If he isn't totally supportive of what you want to do in terms of the length of time your on sub, then find a new doctor.
Maybe the file was too large? Go to "user cp" at the top under the Bluelight banner, and try adding it again but watch to see if it works or if it says something like "file too large"
Cognitive_Shift
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Thanks case!
So I thought I would come back and post my experience with starting the subs today. I ended up doing a bunch of OC yesterday, right up until about 10 at night. then i stayed up super late, without taking anymore. I thought being awake vs sleeping would encourage the onset of withdrawals. slept, finally, woke up, went off to doctor.
I had a terrible stomach ache and was very restless, felt some sweats come and go, very minor. I was worried that I wasn't far enough into W/D and that he would send me home. He actually gave me a paper to read that said as much, that if he didn't think i was far enough in, he would reschedule for another day. but he assessed me on his scale. I came up at 16. he said to wait a while, see if I got to 20. about 45 minutes later, i scored 21 and he started the therapy.
so there it is. if anyone has a similar experience or question about how long you have to go before starting the therapy...there is one answer.
I had a terrible stomach ache and was very restless, felt some sweats come and go, very minor. I was worried that I wasn't far enough into W/D and that he would send me home. He actually gave me a paper to read that said as much, that if he didn't think i was far enough in, he would reschedule for another day. but he assessed me on his scale. I came up at 16. he said to wait a while, see if I got to 20. about 45 minutes later, i scored 21 and he started the therapy.
so there it is. if anyone has a similar experience or question about how long you have to go before starting the therapy...there is one answer.
caseface99
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No problem.
Good luck with your maintenance, glad to here your induction went well. When i first stopped heroin and went to a doctor for suboxone, rather than using a scale such as the Cows, he just drug tested me. It had been like 3 days since i had used heroin and based on the COWS i would have scored like 25+ but i came up positive for heroin so he sent me home and said come back the next day to see if i test clean, fucking prick. It was horrible. he wouldn't give me suboxone until i tested clean. I almost ended up saying fuck it and going back to heroin. Thats when i discovered Loperamide thanks to bluelight, and the next day he wouldn't believe me when i said i was withdrawing and it just didn't look like i was from immodium, he literally said "you can't use OTC medicine to treat heroin withdrawal, it doesn't work like that" I tried so fucking hard to convince him otherwise, that immodium was an opiate and bahdy blah blah and finally he gave me suboxone after my dad bitched him the fuck out. Suffice to say within 2 weeks i had a new doctor haha.
caseface99
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Looks like im taking today's dose's of Kratom with a spoon again. Parachuting doesn't work for me and tea was a total waste. My girlfriends car won't be out of the shop till tomorrow so can't buy more gel caps today. That dose from last night is wearing off and im starting to feel rather shitty. 
edit - I only managed to get down maybe half as much kratom as i have normally been taking with the gel caps, and i am now blowing chunks of it out my nose, as well as feel like i inhaled some.
Clearly that went well. 8)
edit - I only managed to get down maybe half as much kratom as i have normally been taking with the gel caps, and i am now blowing chunks of it out my nose, as well as feel like i inhaled some.
Clearly that went well. 8)
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Cognitive_Shift
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Everyone says to wait until "your pretty well dope sick" to start your sub. I have found that as long as my pupils are no longer constricted i can take the suboxone and not get precipitated WD. For example i banged .1 grams of heroin yesterday at 4PM went to the sub doctor at 5:30 then got my script filled and last at midnight my pupils were still constricted so i went to sleep woke up at noon and took the 16mg of suboxone. It was 20 hours after my last shot of dope and i didn't get sick. When i went to rehab the first time my dope habit was much worse and got sicker faster. I took the subutex there 11 hours after my dose and didn't get precipitated WD either. Long story short the amount of time needed to take the suboxone after your last full agonist dose varies from person to person, and personally i have found that through MY experience i don't necessarily have to wait till im "well and sick" to effectively use the suboxone. The pupil test works for me.
lol case, sorry i imagined that in my head and had a little giggle.
lol case, sorry i imagined that in my head and had a little giggle.
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caseface99
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Just be careful, i never used the withdrawal scale to see if i was ready for suboxone because i had my own methods/reasoning for dosing early too. Then one day after not waiting for withdrawal a number of times i got precip, and believe me, that was the LAST time i will ever do that. Waiting a few hours after you start withdrawing is infinitely less horrible than precip withdrawal. And to make matters worse, when the sublingual dose i took wasn't hitting me fast enough i decided to IV some as well, and it was like a rush of hellish death and despair. I though for sure i would die, i was completely out of my skull. (of course it won't literally kill you, but when you feel that horrible you can't imagine how it's possible to for a human to feel that terrible hellishness and live to tell the tale)
And that's cool don't feel bad, It only happened like 20 minutes ago and i already think it's funny now that I've recovered and it's starting to kick in haha. Of course I'm going to have to attempt eating some that way again tonight, lets hope i don't fuck it up again. Because I've ingested kratom that way before perfectly i just screwed up, had my head at the wrong angle, the ball of kratom hit my tonsil or something, triggered my gag reflex, then i let my head down and the kratom got stuck there in my throat while the water got swallowed. I then coughed, inhaled, then coughed again and gagged repeatedly. Hence the inhaled kratom and the chunks up my nose lol. Good thing i don't think it tastes bad at least.
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HdoubleODeezy
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^ would have sucked to get a lung full of kratom! lol..
i donno how much you inhaled but im glad no harm came from it.. that shit happened to me while eating chips and yelling at a family member, when i breathed in the crumbs went in my windpipe.. shit hurt.
i donno how much you inhaled but im glad no harm came from it.. that shit happened to me while eating chips and yelling at a family member, when i breathed in the crumbs went in my windpipe.. shit hurt.
true is that. it's amazing how much agony you can put up with when you just don't have a choice in the matter.
in other news, just downed my kratom 5 min ago. we'll see
well well. it's been about 30 minutes and i feel good! i took 7grams maeng da with water. i feel kind of buzzed actually, like a hydrocodone buzz. def holds me better than subs. i'm stoked!
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