Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[caseface99]

i assume the link was for the cows scale. here's one. http://opiatewithdrawal.org/forum/index.php?topic=24.0

lol the URL you put is literally http://this/=D

Thanks haha. Don't know how that happened.

cool DPC. let us know how you're feeling. it's good for others looking to gauge their readiness. i've been following Caseface's reports on using kratom to come off subs as i'll be doing the same soon. mine comes in the mail tomorrow.

hopefully you'll be feeling better real soon! good luck!

I'm 1 hour into my fourth day since dosing suboxone. Overall my third day was still pretty mild, though i was experiencing very mild withdrawal for most of the day starting 4 hours or so after my first dose of kratom. About to dose my second dose, though I am out of gel caps so i went with the tea route. Can anybody tell me if i need to boild the water with kratom in it, or if bring the water to a boil then taking it off the heat and sticking a tea bag of kratom into it is good enough? I'm guessing with the latter I'm going to end up drinking a few cups before i get the full dose out of the tea bag. Oh well, it'll still work well enough most likely. I'll report back with how it goes. Feeling about as much withdrawal as i felt daily when tapering at this point. Nothing 'too' bad but i could certainly be better.

I'm feeling pretty good!

4 mgs Suboxone.. Thinking about maybe taking another mg before bed.

Glad to hear it went well.

 

[Been&Done]

Good luck Case, you're doing great!!! I'm proud of you man, you're doing the right, great thing.
Keep reporting

I'm still looking for an answer, will the pharma ever take back the Suboxone i already got?
The bottle is open of course by now

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I'm still looking for an answer, will the pharma ever take back the Suboxone i already got?
The bottle is open of course by now

I don't know for sure. Probably not. They would replace it for you if it was the wrong item, i.e. if your doctor wrote a prescription for Subutex and it was a pharmacy error.

They probably can't help you if your doctor wrote you a prescription for Suboxone.

 

[caseface99]

Im sure they would take them off your hands to dispose of them, but i don't know if they would "buy" them back because im pretty sure they can't legally dispense them to anyone now that they have been in your possession opened. For all they know it's someone with a suboxone press that made a bunch of sub looking anthrax pills. (over kill, i know, but you get the point.)


And so far I'm not impressed with the tea. I am almost certain the amount i put in the tea bag is quite a bit more then what fits in 18 pills (18 pills being aprox 6 grams). I brewed up two cups with the bag so far, and even chugged it down quickly which i have read specifically NOT to do because of how strong the effects will be, and i am still feeling withdrawal. Such a shitty day to run out of gel caps, i guess i don't really know if the residual withdrawal is from too low of a dose or because im a few hours into day 4. Though I'm guessing it wasn't a very large dose since i chugged it and i am fine. I'll try putting the tea bag in some boiling water for a few minutes before letting it cool this time and report back, if it still doesn't work well im filling a new tea bag.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Im sure they would take them off your hands to dispose of them, but i don't know if they would "buy" them back because im pretty sure they can't legally dispense them to anyone now that they have been in your possession opened. For all they know it's someone with a suboxone press that made a bunch of sub looking anthrax pills. (over kill, i know, but you get the point.)


And so far I'm not impressed with the tea. I am almost certain the amount i put in the tea bag is quite a bit more then what fits in 18 pills (18 pills being aprox 6 grams). I brewed up two cups with the bag so far, and even chugged it down quickly which i have read specifically NOT to do because of how strong the effects will be, and i am still feeling withdrawal. Such a shitty day to run out of gel caps, i guess i don't really know if the residual withdrawal is from too low of a dose or because im a few hours into day 4. Though I'm guessing it wasn't a very large dose since i chugged it and i am fine. I'll try putting the tea bag in some boiling water for a few minutes before letting it cool this time and report back, if it still doesn't work well im filling a new tea bag.

You can buy gelcaps from a pharmacy or have them shipped overnight, or 2-3 day select through research supply.

 

[caseface99]

I know, I just just forgot to stop at the vitamin shoppe on my way home today to pick up more. None of the pharmacies down the road from me that i know of sell them. I would order some since the store by me who carries them only has size 0, which means it takes 18 caps at least twice a day - but i don't have any extra cash for the shipping. (I know, it would be like 2-3 dollars with that weight item, just goes to show how much i need to save my cash right now).

 

[LittlebyLittle]

Good luck! What opioid/dose were you using?

about 90mg via insufflated oxycodone per day at minimum. it was fun but i'm so tired now. it's just time for a real break/period-of-sobriety to take care of my life and what not.

 

[Been&Done]

That's also what i logically concluded since the bottle has been opened, so this is what's happening then; My gf is away for a week and we agreed that she will come with me as soon as she's back, the 3 hours ride by myself was such a bore. And since i'v been ok with the Suboxone for 2 days now, then i'll keep taking it for this week, then go for my last Subutex refill. (Will def. call 1st and make sure they freaking have my SUBUTEX, and will make them spell it)

@Case: FME day 4 was the 1st day wd's from subs are at 100% so, maybe that's why by comparing today's effect to the past few days', you're not feeling too well. I think once you sort that dosing issue, things should be good to go, and remember that every day you'll feel better than the day before, more or less of course, but i mean in those next 3 weeks and minus 4 days you'll be Opiates free, are you planning for 3 weeks as i remember correctly?
Keep it up buddy, once again proud of you, and want to be in your shoes soon

 

[caseface99]

Thanks Been&Done, it's weird thinking that for the first time in like 2 1/2 years I'll be totally opioid free. (totally drug free period for that matter), so I'm excited. I just filled another tea bag and used that one as well as the one i brewed 2 "normal" cups of tea with, and i boiled them both on the stove in a mugs worth of water for 5-6 minutes. I got a MUCH darker color in the water this time, which i have been told usually means a stronger brew compared to lighter colors, makes sense. Once this cools down I'll drink it and if that doesn't make me feel 100% then it can definitely be concluded that im feeling off because its the 4th day, not because of my dosing issue.

And yes, i am hoping for a 3 week ordeal at most. Just depends because i wont be able to get anymore kratom in a week or so once this runs out, so if i am still feeling to shitty i might have to jump back onto suboxone for another week or so before i can get more. *hopfully* no more than .1-.2 every/everyother day. We'll see. Though i am definitely hoping i won't have to do that, just depends.

 

[Been&Done]

Yeah, see how it goes of course and act accordingly. Well, as for me, it will be the 1st time in..hmm..10 years!! I'd be lying if i said i'm not worried about how i would perceive life, and how will that affect my productivity and life in general. It's the 1st time in my adult life actually, but i do think it's definitely my time, so good luck for me too. Again, following you became very important to me, since this will be my route too to kick off the Subutex, and my entrance to Soberville! Keep it up and stay positive! Take vitamins, and maybe walk or jog a little, just any exercise has heavenly results, trust me. Peace

 

[caseface99]

I go rock climbing 3-4 times a week, might not be the best cardio but it definitely keeps you in good shape. I could always "sprint climb" but my muscles are still growing back after 3 years of sitting around doing nothing and it's extremely easy to injure yourself if you over do it while rock climbing. And i think it's definitely just that im in the 4th day of withdrawal, because i feel slightly buzzed but there is also an undertone of withdrawal still. I guess it's too much for the kratom at this point, though the real test will be in the morning when i go back to dosing with gel caps. Anyway, good luck.

Edit- though i just realized i forgot to take any gabapentin, i thought i had but i got distracted by something and forgot haha. So maybe it's that, because i've been taking gabapentin the last couple days. Though this is probably wishful thinking haha.

 

[haden]

Hey! So I am thinking about trying to achieve a lifestyle that is not basically feeling shitty mostly all of every week and then really high once or twice a week ( I use methadone for this, dosing once or twice a week and suffering mild-to-moderate wd all the other fucking days...)

I want to use bupe now because I really don't feel like I can live without some kind of opiate, but the horror stories of methadone clinics have scared me away from ever starting methadone maintenance! I want to just feel mildly opiated every day on a very low dose of bupe for a while until I can break my fucked up mind-process of addiction!

So if I am on bupe, I am sure it will take my mild to moderate wd away. I am planning on not exceeding 2mg a day ever, preferably 1mg or LESS a day if I can get away with it...I am wondering, once my 'tolerance' to methadone wears off, will I start feeling more and more high from the bupe? Like after a month of not doing methadone and just being on bupe, will the bupe start to feel better every day? I want to know if I have SOMETHING to look forward to!??

 

[catcalls]

Hey! So I am thinking about trying to achieve a lifestyle that is not basically feeling shitty mostly all of every week and then really high once or twice a week ( I use methadone for this, dosing once or twice a week and suffering mild-to-moderate wd all the other fucking days...)

I want to use bupe now because I really don't feel like I can live without some kind of opiate, but the horror stories of methadone clinics have scared me away from ever starting methadone maintenance! I want to just feel mildly opiated every day on a very low dose of bupe for a while until I can break my fucked up mind-process of addiction!

So if I am on bupe, I am sure it will take my mild to moderate wd away. I am planning on not exceeding 2mg a day ever, preferably 1mg or LESS a day if I can get away with it...I am wondering, once my 'tolerance' to methadone wears off, will I start feeling more and more high from the bupe? Like after a month of not doing methadone and just being on bupe, will the bupe start to feel better every day? I want to know if I have SOMETHING to look forward to!??

Being on any opiate long term means no high. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you cannot get high on opiates without some form of wd.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hey! So I am thinking about trying to achieve a lifestyle that is not basically feeling shitty mostly all of every week and then really high once or twice a week ( I use methadone for this, dosing once or twice a week and suffering mild-to-moderate wd all the other fucking days...)

I want to use bupe now because I really don't feel like I can live without some kind of opiate, but the horror stories of methadone clinics have scared me away from ever starting methadone maintenance! I want to just feel mildly opiated every day on a very low dose of bupe for a while until I can break my fucked up mind-process of addiction!

So if I am on bupe, I am sure it will take my mild to moderate wd away. I am planning on not exceeding 2mg a day ever, preferably 1mg or LESS a day if I can get away with it...I am wondering, once my 'tolerance' to methadone wears off, will I start feeling more and more high from the bupe? Like after a month of not doing methadone and just being on bupe, will the bupe start to feel better every day? I want to know if I have SOMETHING to look forward to!??

You got the right idea. Once your tolerance to methadone/full agonists drops, you will be re-sensitized to your own endorphins, and you'll get something more out of buprenorphine than just "being held" so to speak.

I can't guarantee you have something to look forward to, but 80-90% odds says you do. Everyone's different, but most people get to that point where they feel better/more like their old selves.

Being on any opiate long term means no high. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you cannot get high on opiates without some form of wd.

Well, what does long term mean?

I still don't agree. I may have developed a tolerance to heroin but I was still getting high off of it. Granted, I wasn't a multi-year long addict, so maybe it just didn't "get that bad" for me.

 

[catcalls]

You got the right idea. Once your tolerance to methadone/full agonists drops, you will be re-sensitized to your own endorphins, and you'll get something more out of buprenorphine than just "being held" so to speak.

I can't guarantee you have something to look forward to, but 80-90% odds says you do. Everyone's different, but most people get to that point where they feel better/more like their old selves.



Well, what does long term mean?

I still don't agree. I may have developed a tolerance to heroin but I was still getting high off of it. Granted, I wasn't a multi-year long addict, so maybe it just didn't "get that bad" for me.

Well, I always found when I got addicted to heroin that I'd develop a 'maintenance dose'. That dose is what I required to stop the wd and last another day. To get high, it requires more heroin than a maintenance dose. And some days I just did not have the money to get high.

Perhaps you were lucky? And always got high from heroin because you were using more and more each week.

But, I find, now for example on Kratom, I NEED a certain amount to function. Whereas, before I needed this amount, it was all fun and games. So, the trick is, not to spiral your addiction out of control, and be a little sadistic with your usage.

 

[catcalls]

Btw....the worst drug I found was marijuana. That gave me no high after all my pleasure receptors burnt out. Sure, it was fun in the beginning, but eventually, it just gave me a sore throat.

 

[Jaybone23]

First Time - Longtime

This is my first post here at the 'Light in a long time, but I'm no stranger to the subjects one finds here.

I've been on 45mgs daily methadone for about 9 months, having dropped all the way from 80mgs. I recently obtained some 8mg Suboxone tablets because I was thinking of eventually switching when I drop below 30-40mgs of the methadone. I waited just over 48 hours from my last dose of methadone to take my first 8mg tablet of Suboxone in sublingual fashion. While I am not experiencing precipitated WD symptoms, I'm also not feeling any relief. Could this be because I'm kind of in the middle? I wasn't experiencing any major WD before taking the Suboxone, just a bit of leg ache, but I did indeed wait about 50 hours before taking it. I'd been told that the 8mgs would be more than sufficient to deal with any WD and in fact I'd probably feel a bit high. I'm quite sure the tablets are legit, given their taste, though I don't have a script of my own.

Any thoughts?

Also, would snorting the tablet be a better way to go? Does one simply crush the tablet to snort? Is there any reason to take MORE than 8mgs?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Well, I always found when I got addicted to heroin that I'd develop a 'maintenance dose'. That dose is what I required to stop the wd and last another day. To get high, it requires more heroin than a maintenance dose. And some days I just did not have the money to get high.

Perhaps you were lucky? And always got high from heroin because you were using more and more each week.

But, I find, now for example on Kratom, I NEED a certain amount to function. Whereas, before I needed this amount, it was all fun and games. So, the trick is, not to spiral your addiction out of control, and be a little sadistic with your usage.

I actually managed not to use escalating doses. I would go through WD sometimes, either partially or the whole way through it, every now and then to keep my tolerance down.

When I was using for about 9 straight months, I typically got the high I wanted out of it, and only close to the end did I have maybe a half dozen experiences where I wasn't getting high.

I guess I didn't have the resources to buy a lot of heroin. I saw someone who bought a half oz. at once, and the quantity blew my mind because I would never get more than 1 gram at a time. Once I got 2 grams but that was a one time thing.

Btw....the worst drug I found was marijuana. That gave me no high after all my pleasure receptors burnt out. Sure, it was fun in the beginning, but eventually, it just gave me a sore throat.

Sounds like you get bad weed. I'm not sure, but only crap grade weed ever gives me a sore throat. Good quality weed shouldn't do that.

It's understandable though, not everyone enjoys weed for whatever reason.

 

[catbird]

Jaybone - it's hard to say without knowing how long it's been since you did your sub. if 30 min, i wouldn't rule out precip wd being around the corner. that said, there is a middle ground between precip wd and feeling well. the first time i did sub i waited as long as i could, but had a fairly big habit (800-1000mg OC). i waited till i couldn't stand it, though i knew i still had OC in my system. what happened was that some symptoms got better while some worse. i felt more bone and muscle pain, but my legs calmed down and i could lie still. it was kind of like having a bad flu, which was much better than having a moderate flu and not being able to stop flailing around.

good luck to you.

 

[Jaybone23]

@Catbird: Yeah, thanks for that. I shoulda known...everybody's different and all that. I just wanted to test the Suboxone today since I can't miss more than two days at the methadone clinic without having to deal with all kindsa crap. I had that two day window so I figured I'd have a go with the Suboxone.

Having said all that, it's now been about 2.5 hours since I first took the Suboxone orally and I certainly don't feel WORSE than I did when I wrote my initial post. But I don't feel significantly better either. I don't feel as "normal" -- I guess -- as I would feel if I had just taken the methadone. But I can't yet know what that means, given the fact that I wasn't feeling totally lousy when I took the Suboxone. The methadone from two days ago and the months before that could still be lingering in my system, preventing the Suboxone from doing anything. I don't guess too many people use methadone AND Suboxone on a regular basis, so who knows?

Anyway, thanks again.