Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[Been&Done]

^It's so he can put the kratom in gel caps... Makes dosing kratom much easier.

AHA...Thank you, it's really one of the very few drugs that i'v never heard of before BL, and since my next step is quitting Subutex, then Kratom became a topic of interest to me. I hope all goes out well

 

[caseface99]

Good luck Been&Done.

What dose are you at now?

 

[capthatskank]

I just dnt care for the suboxone. I have IVed both, and only once did the suboxone send me n2 what felt lyk withdrawals but i had dope in my system. I just dnt care for the taste, and would rather get subutex

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Anyone kno of a good sub clinic in the wv/pa area? there r quite a few n the pitt area, but my girl and myself r only interested in subutex, not suboxone. R there strictly subutex clinics? any advice on how to go about getting subutex instead of suboxone?

I just dnt care for the suboxone. I have IVed both, and only once did the suboxone send me n2 what felt lyk withdrawals but i had dope in my system. I just dnt care for the taste, and would rather get subutex

Any doctor that can prescribe suboxone can also script subutex if they wanted and also vice versa, so looking for a "subutex doctor" is the same as looking for a suboxone doctor (they're the same).. here: http://suboxone.com/patients/here_to_help/find_a_doctor.aspx

that should help you find a dr in your area if you're in the US.

 

[caseface99]

I just dnt care for the suboxone. I have IVed both, and only once did the suboxone send me n2 what felt lyk withdrawals but i had dope in my system. I just dnt care for the taste, and would rather get subutex

Yeah definitely don't use suboxone or subutex with dope in your system, won't be fun.

 

[Been&Done]

Good luck Been&Done.

What dose are you at now?

From 1.5 to 2.5 mg, refilling for the last time tomorrow. Got 50 at pharma, but will only pick up 20. My last 20 hopefully!

 

[caseface99]

Good luck bro. It's been well over 24 hours since my last dose of suboxone but with kratom and gabapentin i feel better than if i had just taken my usual .5mgs of sub. I can't complain if this is how its going to ride out the whole time, we'll see what happens tomorrow. I have my morning dose of kratom ready, just took some clonidine for sleep. I am actually looking forward to the feeling of euphoric relief after i dose the kratom in the morning when i wake up with withdrawals. Going from a -5 up to a 4 is better then going from baseline up to a 7. I hope that made sense, the clonidine is kicking in and i am about to pass out.

Anyway, good luck Been&Done. I'll report how i feel tomorrow when i wake up.

 

[jamesBrown]

Good luck bro. It's been well over 24 hours since my last dose of suboxone but with kratom and gabapentin i feel better than if i had just taken my usual .5mgs of sub. I can't complain if this is how its going to ride out the whole time, we'll see what happens tomorrow. I have my morning dose of kratom ready, just took some clonidine for sleep. I am actually looking forward to the feeling of euphoric relief after i dose the kratom in the morning when i wake up with withdrawals. Going from a -5 up to a 4 is better then going from baseline up to a 7. I hope that made sense, the clonidine is kicking in and i am about to pass out.

Anyway, good luck Been&Done. I'll report how i feel tomorrow when i wake up.

lots of times it takes up to 2 or 3 days before start feeling WD's from suboxone.

 

[SubDude]

Good luck bro. It's been well over 24 hours since my last dose of suboxone but with kratom and gabapentin i feel better than if i had just taken my usual .5mgs of sub. I can't complain if this is how its going to ride out the whole time, we'll see what happens tomorrow. I have my morning dose of kratom ready, just took some clonidine for sleep. I am actually looking forward to the feeling of euphoric relief after i dose the kratom in the morning when i wake up with withdrawals. Going from a -5 up to a 4 is better then going from baseline up to a 7. I hope that made sense, the clonidine is kicking in and i am about to pass out.

Anyway, good luck Been&Done. I'll report how i feel tomorrow when i wake up.

Thanks for keeping us updated. I'm on .5mg sl and thinking of trying the same clonodine/kratom strategy. I'm very interested in how things go during and after you stop the Kratom. I hope you don't mind a few questions.

1. how long addicted to opiates and subsequent subs duration?
2. how much clonodine are you taking?
3. any other prescriptions or drugs?
4. not clear how long you actually waited after last subs dose before first kratom... over 24hrs?

I hope this doesn't appear I'm being nosey... just want to try and compare our situations.

Thanks in advance...

 

[Been&Done]

Good luck bro. It's been well over 24 hours since my last dose of suboxone but with kratom and gabapentin i feel better than if i had just taken my usual .5mgs of sub. I can't complain if this is how its going to ride out the whole time, we'll see what happens tomorrow. I have my morning dose of kratom ready, just took some clonidine for sleep. I am actually looking forward to the feeling of euphoric relief after i dose the kratom in the morning when i wake up with withdrawals. Going from a -5 up to a 4 is better then going from baseline up to a 7. I hope that made sense, the clonidine is kicking in and i am about to pass out.

Anyway, good luck Been&Done. I'll report how i feel tomorrow when i wake up.

Hope it went well. I also believe JamesBrown when he says the Sub takes more or less 2 days to be out of the system. Happy for you man. keep us posted

Hmm, there is something inside me not wanting to go pick those Sub from the pharma, am i really Been&Done, even with those?
Oh man, i want normal, i miss normal! Anyways, rambling after my morning dose, but i'm sure it's a sign that it's time for me, at least soon!
Peace

 

[caseface99]

I took kratom last at 8ish last night and woke up today, its 2 now and i feel surprisingly normal.. I was under the impression kratom wouldn't last nearly this long, Its been like 18 hours since i have dosed any opiates and i am JUST now starting to feel like i need to take some soon. Awesome.

 

[Pegasus]

^Well, hopefully you're right, but I'd wait until you're in full-blown withdrawal before deciding on that. Bupe w/d really doesn't come on that fast, probably peaking around day 4 or so, and staying at that level for awhile.

 

[-Death-]

In Finland we have only subutex, suboxone and temgesic. Subutex cost x, suboxone x and one 0,4mg temgesic x. I have used buprenorphine 3years and I use 8mg/day. I have to pay x/day!!!! Last summer when I was in paris, it felt very weird that one subutex cost x.

 

[daddysgone]

At What Approximate Dose Does Bupe Block Other Opioids

hey guys
So obviously the subject of bupe and it's ability to block other opioids has been discussed to death, but I have a specific question regarding dosage.

So I know that at a low enough dose, bupe will not block opioids, or only block them slightly (since you will have so many unoccupied receptors at a low bupe dose).

For instance, I know Captain.Heroin is on a tiny dose of bupe (I think .5mg per day), and he can take other opioids on the same day and at that dose, he states the bupe doesn't really block.

I was curious about what the consensus is in terms of what dosage of bupe really starts to effectively block opioids.

Has anyone been on a daily dose of about 2mg per day and still been able to get good effects when using another opioid on the same day?

Obviously a 16 or 32 mg daily dose of bupe will block opioids, but I am wondering about smaller doses (like 2mg per day). Thanks.

 

[jamesBrown]

hey guys
So obviously the subject of bupe and it's ability to block other opioids has been discussed to death, but I have a specific question regarding dosage.

So I know that at a low enough dose, bupe will not block opioids, or only block them slightly (since you will have so many unoccupied receptors at a low bupe dose).

For instance, I know Captain.Heroin is on a tiny dose of bupe (I think .5mg per day), and he can take other opioids on the same day and at that dose, he states the bupe doesn't really block.

I was curious about what the consensus is in terms of what dosage of bupe really starts to effectively block opioids.

Has anyone been on a daily dose of about 2mg per day and still been able to get good effects when using another opioid on the same day?

Obviously a 16 or 32 mg daily dose of bupe will block opioids, but I am wondering about smaller doses (like 2mg per day). Thanks.

it all depends on the person. But for me, 4mg's and under doesnt block much at all. I have heard others say otherwise. I guess you gotta find out for yourself.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

hey guys
So obviously the subject of bupe and it's ability to block other opioids has been discussed to death, but I have a specific question regarding dosage.

So I know that at a low enough dose, bupe will not block opioids, or only block them slightly (since you will have so many unoccupied receptors at a low bupe dose).

For instance, I know Captain.Heroin is on a tiny dose of bupe (I think .5mg per day), and he can take other opioids on the same day and at that dose, he states the bupe doesn't really block.

I was curious about what the consensus is in terms of what dosage of bupe really starts to effectively block opioids.

Has anyone been on a daily dose of about 2mg per day and still been able to get good effects when using another opioid on the same day?

Obviously a 16 or 32 mg daily dose of bupe will block opioids, but I am wondering about smaller doses (like 2mg per day). Thanks.

I am probably averaging 0.3mg per day (total range from 0.2mg to 0.4mg).

At the rate I'm going, there's no blocking effect. I just don't like using full agonist opiates anymore to be honest.

 

[caseface99]

lots of times it takes up to 2 or 3 days before start feeling WD's from suboxone.

Eh, I'm just basing this off of the withdrawal i normally felt daily from the taper and the withdrawal i would feel when i ran out of suboxone a couple days early. If i didn't have the kratom i would be pretty bad right now based on my experiences. Maybe not full blown but still bad.

Thanks for keeping us updated. I'm on .5mg sl and thinking of trying the same clonodine/kratom strategy. I'm very interested in how things go during and after you stop the Kratom. I hope you don't mind a few questions.

1. how long addicted to opiates and subsequent subs duration?
I was using heroin for 9 months at 12-15 bags a day to feel normal the last few months.
2. how much clonodine are you taking?
i generally take .2mgs of clonidine to sleep, it works very well for me where as drugs like trazadone and seroquel either don't help me sleep, or if i take a high enough dose to knock me out they make me feel like shit in the AM.
3. any other prescriptions or drugs?
gabapentin as need, generally 1200mgs every couple hours when i need it - though so far i haven't needed it since i stopped tapering and jumped off.
4. not clear how long you actually waited after last subs dose before first kratom... over 24hrs?
I took my first full dose of Kratom 24 hours after my last dose of suboxone.
I hope this doesn't appear I'm being nosey... just want to try and compare our situations.
Absolutely, feel free to ask me anything else.

Thanks in advance...

Put the answers in Bold.

Hope it went well. I also believe JamesBrown when he says the Sub takes more or less 2 days to be out of the system. Happy for you man. keep us posted

Maybe to get into full withdrawal but as mentioned above usually i would be feeling pretty damn terrible 48 hours after dosing.

^Well, hopefully you're right, but I'd wait until you're in full-blown withdrawal before deciding on that. Bupe w/d really doesn't come on that fast, probably peaking around day 4 or so, and staying at that level for awhile.

I know its going to get worse, Though probably wont ever get too bad considering how i feel now. It's 48 hours since my last dose of suboxone and again normally i would feel terrible now, nausea, RLS, horrible skin feeling, HOT/COLD sweating, etc. I feel totally normal still and i only dosed kratom once so far today.

Thanks everyone, I realize it will keep getting worse for another 2 days but for the time being i couldn't be happier. No anxiety, no depression, no negative physical aspects, i actually feel great.

For anyone who doesn't know gabapentin alone in high doses taken a few times a couple hours apart definitely makes a huge difference, for me anyway. If i took enough i could almost get rid of all the taper withdrawal i was having each day.

So just to clarify, I'm taking aprox. 6 grams of kratom, so far twice a day. 1200mgs of gabapentin dosed 2-3 times an hour or two apart as needed. .2mgs clonidine to sleep. That's it so far and it's going great. I'll update again tomorrow ( which will be day 3).

I actually felt well enough to go rock climbing today. Anyway, thanks again every who has helped me get to this point over the last couple months. Bluelight

 

[Been&Done]

WTF!!!! I rented a car, drove all the way from Toronto To Freakin Buffalo to pick my Subutex, found the 60 the dr. sent in his prx, got 30 and left, and checking them in the car, it's fucking Suboxone not Subutex!!! Why would my fucking Dr. send me 10 Subutex that i picked up last time, then fucking send me 60 Suboxone??!?!?!? Freakin Fuck!!! Hate this shit!!! took 6 mg, and of course some minor headache, maybe my body doesn't accept the Naloxone?! Hate this orange flavor!! I have to call him tomorrow to send another prx and drive again?!?!? i'm too tired!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

WTF!!!! I rented a car, drove all the way from Toronto To Freakin Buffalo to pick my Subutex, found the 60 the dr. sent in his prx, got 30 and left, and checking them in the car, it's fucking Suboxone not Subutex!!! Why would my fucking Dr. send me 10 Subutex that i picked up last time, then fucking send me 60 Suboxone??!?!?!? Freakin Fuck!!! Hate this shit!!! took 4 mg, and of course some minor headache, maybe my body doesn't accept the Naltrexone?! Hate this orange flavor!! I have to call him tomorrow to send another prx and drive again?!?!? i'm too tired!

Wow that sucks, I'm sorry you didn't check before leaving.

I hate stuff like that. It's naloxone not naltrexone.

Why don't you try 2mg and see if you get a headache or not? That might help out.

 

[muvolution]

I'm seriously thinking that it's the naloxone in my suboxone that is giving me headaches. It helps the pain, not as well as the OM obviously, but it's good. but the headaches and random aches won't go away. This is like 3 weeks off of the OM and 2 on Suboxone.
I don't know what is going on. My Dr. says he doesn't write subutex, but i guess i'll have a talk to him about that.
Are some doctors licensed to write for one and not the other?
hope everyone is doing well.