I really can understand where you're coming from here. Excuse me for having a laugh at your expense because I've reached similar.
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"Looping" in trips - Explain first hand accounts
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I really can understand where you're coming from here. Excuse me for having a laugh at your expense because I've reached similar.
RandomGuy123
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I can't say, I blacked out, I do remember crying, I do remember getting naked, I do remember making loud noises and acting like a gorilla, I do remember peeing on my self sitting indian style with my dick in the air, I do remember playing with myself.
That's all I remember
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Goddam shrooms.
That's all I remember
.Goddam shrooms.
RandomGuy123
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My experience was for sure the same, I went metally retrarded with terror(and laughter). I wish I could remember those 6 hours...i have experienced some particularly hellish though loops
like rollinlikeabigshot, i thought i had wet myself or done something completely inappropriate while in the midst of my group of friends. i kept asking "what time is it" partly because i couldn't read the clock (numbers were dancing) and partly because i was confused and i knew that i had zero short term memory.
i may or may not have walked to the bathroom several times and then forgotten why i was in there...
i'm sure i blacked out at one point because i was without my pants later on that night...
i'm sure thought loops really delve deep into our consciousness, but it's very difficult to control them (if you don't like them, you'll focus on them and keep having them). the best way to deal with them is to ride it out i suppose.
if you ever get the good fortune (lol) of tripsitting someone while they go into a full-on psychotic loop-out, you're going to have to do some severe mind-fuckery to get them to calm down. as in, figure out what emotional battle is going on in his/her mind, and try to safely let them release their emotional stoppage. beware, you might hear some bizarre repressed childhood memories or guilty pleasures 8)
i'm pretty sure some of my mushroom anxieties were brought out by my semi-closet bi nature-- since there was never any reason to discuss my sexuality with my friends, it had never come up. but in the emotional realm of tripping, i felt like i was hiding my true nature among my friends who were much more true to themselves than i was being to myself. releasing my inhibitions was the most difficult thing to do, but it made me feel cleansed. it turns out they don't really care who i bang
Last time I tripped I think I might have looped, I'm not sure. It was like, my thought process was really abstract so I tried to make sense of that thought process with more abstract thoghts and I tried to make sense of that and so on and so forth. Trying to make sense of things that just keep making less and less sense. At on point I was just like "DUDE I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, WHATS THE WORLD?"
That kinda brought me back to reality. Or should I say acidland.
That kinda brought me back to reality. Or should I say acidland.
Tunnelfission
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Now that you mention it I do remember one time having a small fire in my room and then "noticing" i've been naked... then noticing that I was having a fire inside! kind of a blackout but I also remembered doing it... I just NOTICED it later... but then what is "I"? or which one... some LSD trips I'm pretty convinced that I am God, but that because God is everything, and then since i'm a part of everything and everything is God, therefore I am everything. therefore amounting to being my lovers and myself simultaneously at the time of deep communication.
I'm reassured by this deep philosophical hack but notice that RARELY ever else does anyone sympathize with me when i'm having these experiences.
Everyone has a very different definition of "looping in a trip" it seems! I realize that maybe I only assume I can sympathize for what my friends are experiencing and possibly they are on an entirely different set of workings not conceivable by my models of psychology.
I'm reassured by this deep philosophical hack but notice that RARELY ever else does anyone sympathize with me when i'm having these experiences.
Everyone has a very different definition of "looping in a trip" it seems! I realize that maybe I only assume I can sympathize for what my friends are experiencing and possibly they are on an entirely different set of workings not conceivable by my models of psychology.
Noddy Boy
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I can't say, I blacked out, I do remember crying, I do remember getting naked, I do remember making loud noises and acting like a gorilla, I do remember peeing on my self sitting indian style with my dick in the air, I do remember playing with myself.
That's all I remember
Goddam shrooms.
I have noticed when on high doses of any trip, getting naked / masturbating is a common feeling, I always wondered what the reason for this was...
Anyone else notice this?
high doses of drugs remove your inhibitions and make you do what you deep down want to do :D
RandomGuy123
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My girlfriend thought I'd never come back to reality lol.
greenmeanies
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um, you will KNOW when you have looped.
it kind of involves a mixture of deja-vu and time travel. you lose all sense of short-term memory, and begin to lose track of yourself in the middle of a simple action.
for example (from my own experience)
i got the urge to urinate. so i (thought i) stood up and began walking to the bathroom. but then i saw the room i was in previously, and became confused.
oh well, stand up and start walking to the bathroom i guess.
WTF why am i still in this chair? i have to pee goddammit. stand up again, walk down the hall
FUCK I HAVE TO PEE. WHY AM I STILL SITTING IN THIS GODFORSAKEN CHAIR?!
on the way walking to the bathroom, all of these realities being to collapse. i notice that time is probably moving in reverse for me right now.
i begin to become unsure of WHERE i am, because it doesn't seem like i have any actual control over the "real" nature of things.
so i begin to concentrate, closing my eyes and re-opening them to see what the actual state of things is.
i'm still sitting in my chair.
time/thought loops usually involve a seriously emotional component-- that is, the hallucinations are very dependent on your emotional state. any time i thought about the word "NO" or anything like it, my hallucinations would become sinister and threatening. any thought of "YES" elicited euphoric fantasy that was incredibly pleasurable.
so i may have ended up taking my pants off and pissing myself in my brother's dorm room whilst screaming "SHROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMS!!!!" 8)
it kind of involves a mixture of deja-vu and time travel. you lose all sense of short-term memory, and begin to lose track of yourself in the middle of a simple action.
for example (from my own experience)
i got the urge to urinate. so i (thought i) stood up and began walking to the bathroom. but then i saw the room i was in previously, and became confused.
oh well, stand up and start walking to the bathroom i guess.
WTF why am i still in this chair? i have to pee goddammit. stand up again, walk down the hall
FUCK I HAVE TO PEE. WHY AM I STILL SITTING IN THIS GODFORSAKEN CHAIR?!
on the way walking to the bathroom, all of these realities being to collapse. i notice that time is probably moving in reverse for me right now.
i begin to become unsure of WHERE i am, because it doesn't seem like i have any actual control over the "real" nature of things.
so i begin to concentrate, closing my eyes and re-opening them to see what the actual state of things is.
i'm still sitting in my chair.
time/thought loops usually involve a seriously emotional component-- that is, the hallucinations are very dependent on your emotional state. any time i thought about the word "NO" or anything like it, my hallucinations would become sinister and threatening. any thought of "YES" elicited euphoric fantasy that was incredibly pleasurable.
so i may have ended up taking my pants off and pissing myself in my brother's dorm room whilst screaming "SHROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMS!!!!" 8)
Hallucinogens
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First off, the cause of what us trippers call a 'mind loop' is a 'bad trip'. I like to call these difficult trips as bad trips do not exist, only difficult ones. In essence, I mean when you're having a 'bad trip', you've really just fell into a difficult trip. And when I say difficult trip, I mean you're just having a difficult time coping with your emotions, thoughts, sights, the trip itself, or any of these, individually or in any combination. The problem is that people focus on if it is the trip that is producing the effects instead of realizing those same thoughts and emotions may have came at that exact time, regardless of intoxication or sobriety. It is only a difficult trip and can be over come by your mind. Anyone can do it, it just takes mental strength and understanding. Control of your mind is control of a trip and, with enough experience, one can have control of both and at a growing level.
So to sum it up, with complete mind control, intoxicated or not, one can cure a difficult trip instead of fighting a 'bad trip' and losing the fight. Meaning you can cure any type of difficult trip, including the infamous mind loop you speak of.
As far as the mental occupation during a mind loop goes, there is no way to tell, explain, or describe what occurs during this time. It is drastically different in every way such as subjectively. Once a loop hits, something buried in the brain from the past will become the prime subject of the loop. It will be the focus and the thought that continuously exponentiates itself into a devilish, reoccuring though. The effect and intensity is based on the random pick of a thought or memory. Could be big, could be small but even the smallest turns into the biggest monster during a loop.
Private message me if you really want to know about looping and control or anything pertaining to tripping.
I'll get comprehensive instead of something vague like this post. Kinda in a hurry.
So to sum it up, with complete mind control, intoxicated or not, one can cure a difficult trip instead of fighting a 'bad trip' and losing the fight. Meaning you can cure any type of difficult trip, including the infamous mind loop you speak of.
As far as the mental occupation during a mind loop goes, there is no way to tell, explain, or describe what occurs during this time. It is drastically different in every way such as subjectively. Once a loop hits, something buried in the brain from the past will become the prime subject of the loop. It will be the focus and the thought that continuously exponentiates itself into a devilish, reoccuring though. The effect and intensity is based on the random pick of a thought or memory. Could be big, could be small but even the smallest turns into the biggest monster during a loop.
Private message me if you really want to know about looping and control or anything pertaining to tripping.
I'll get comprehensive instead of something vague like this post. Kinda in a hurry.The Hebrew Hammer
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Looping is not the same as a "bad trip" or a "difficult trip"
Looping is simply that. Looping, It doesnt have to be difficult, or bad.
Just when things start to cycle and you notice they are cycling, that is looping IMO.
Looping is simply that. Looping, It doesnt have to be difficult, or bad.
Just when things start to cycle and you notice they are cycling, that is looping IMO.
rollinlikeabigshot
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^^^i believe both of you are right for what you are saying, Hallucinogens just has a different view.
I do notice even during a good trip my mind will reset. Doesnt mean thats bad just as long as i realize it and take control before the gap in the loop shortens. Me and a buddy have a little inside joke about it when were tripping. Everytime it happens we yell SHIFT!!! keeps us entertained
I do notice even during a good trip my mind will reset. Doesnt mean thats bad just as long as i realize it and take control before the gap in the loop shortens. Me and a buddy have a little inside joke about it when were tripping. Everytime it happens we yell SHIFT!!! keeps us entertained
Yep I've gotten the words breaking apart thing on salvia a couple times before, except teh words that were breaking apart was the thoughts inside my head as they were being formed. It was insane.
Like I would see words breaking apart, think "woah this is crazy!", and then see the word "w-o-a-h" being constructed in my mind. Followed by thinking "woah this is crazy!" all over again, etc...
Hallucinogens
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I don't mean bad or difficult only. Looping can come from over joy even and extreme awe. It is typically bad and escalates into worse thought and looping though.
The first time I did shrooms I ate a half eighth and had a great time until a song came on that I forgot to take off the playlist and it sent me into a panic. I was at a park that I really liked with a sitter and my ex and I said "I need to walk" so we started to walk and then as I started to walk it was as if I walked about five steps and then I would seamlessly start walking the beginning five steps all over again.
Kind of hard to explain, but it was like I was seeing everything exactly the same as I was seeing it at the beginning steps.
-djstrip
Kind of hard to explain, but it was like I was seeing everything exactly the same as I was seeing it at the beginning steps.
-djstrip
nearjat
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I had some really bad looping last night. Really lost my mind. I would have an "epiphany", then criticize myself because the insight was really stupid and delusional. After that I'd feel like my realization of how stupid the "insight" was, was an epiphany in it's own. Then I'd criticize that...the loops continued. This went on for hours, just a hugely amplified version of my own anxious second guessing.
netcrusher
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With 3 tabs of Acid and MDMA and MDA and smoking DMT the night before I went through the horror of all horrors regarding loops. I was shown that we go over and over and over the same thing for infinity, but when we are " going forward" we forget and it always comes back in reverse where everything is lived as ONE and it was so distressing to watch time in reverse. Time also went over and over in layers of love and hate. I wish there were words to rlly say what I saw, but it seemed like a warning...
PriestTheyCalledHim
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I've trip sat for people on high doses of shrooms who were having a confusing experience and stuck in a loop.
I made sure they were OK, talked to them, and walked around with them getting them to calm down since at the time they thought stuff had happened that really had not happened at all.
I made sure they were OK, talked to them, and walked around with them getting them to calm down since at the time they thought stuff had happened that really had not happened at all.
The Smoking Man
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I've had that during a solo LSD trip last summer. I was trying to figure out how far into the trip I was, so I looked at the clock and tried to do the math... and started thinking about time. And time is confusing (try thinking about, for example, time travel and paradoxes and all that, and you'll see what I mean). Before I knew it, I was in a thought loop (or a time loop from my perspective). I started walking around the room in circles, laid on my bed, then get up after a few seconds, sit down on my chair in front of my computer, then get up, walk around in circles, and so on, thinking about time the entire, well, time.
It got crazier after that went on for a while. I made progress in my thinking, and suddenly, due to that in combination with all the repetition, I broke through. I broke time, too. I just laid in my bed and time didn't seem to flow in any sort of linear direction anymore. Things were really weird for the next couple of hours. I got transported to the beginning of time and saw - and felt - the universe come into being. Later on, I got transported to the end of time and witnessed what I can only call the Godhead and my place in it. The next day, when I tried remembering that particular event, it actually felt like it took place at a point in the future, rather than at some point in the past as it is with normal memories. I didn't know human memory could even work like that.
Hell of a trip, even if it wasn't an overall happy one, which it definitely wasn't. I wouldn't mind experiencing what I had described in the paragraph above again, but not for the same price of admission.
It got crazier after that went on for a while. I made progress in my thinking, and suddenly, due to that in combination with all the repetition, I broke through. I broke time, too. I just laid in my bed and time didn't seem to flow in any sort of linear direction anymore. Things were really weird for the next couple of hours. I got transported to the beginning of time and saw - and felt - the universe come into being. Later on, I got transported to the end of time and witnessed what I can only call the Godhead and my place in it. The next day, when I tried remembering that particular event, it actually felt like it took place at a point in the future, rather than at some point in the past as it is with normal memories. I didn't know human memory could even work like that.
Hell of a trip, even if it wasn't an overall happy one, which it definitely wasn't. I wouldn't mind experiencing what I had described in the paragraph above again, but not for the same price of admission.
Clothes feel too heavy. The second time I tripped, it was during the winter, and during my first trip I remembered I was freezing due to the vasoconstriction and the air conditioner being set too ridiculously low, so I bundled up beforehand. But once it hit me, I had to take off both the hoodies I was wearing as well as my shirt before I felt like I could breathe right.
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Flickering
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I've come to. Where is this? I'm on a bed. Everything is strange. What's happening? Did I take something? What is 'I'? What time is it? What happened before? Was it real? Did I imagine it? Did I...
I've come to. Where is this? I'm on a bed. Everything is strange. I've done this before. What's happening? Did I take something? What is 'I'? What time is it? What happened before? Was it real? Did I imagine it? I'll figure this out...
I've come to. Where is this? I'm on a bed. Everything is stranger and dark. I've done this a few times now. I'm going to keep doing it. This is all warped. Who is that? I need to ask him what's going on. I need to ask him the time. What's going on? Right, it's past midnight and I'm tripping. What did I take? I -
I've come to. Where is this? I'm on a bed. How many fucking times has this happened? Everything is wrong. I don't like this, I...
I've come to...
Shrooms, 2g (!)
Oh god oh god how did I fucking get here what's going on in a moment this will all make sense oh help someone get me out of this fuck this is horrible I'll spiral out cycle out of this soon oh what's going on well I've lost my mind because I took mushrooms no that isn't it I'm just God and I can't decide how to get out of this trap oh but I took mushrooms so isn't that a trick oh no it isn't the real trick is believing I took mushrooms and that reality was ever real but that's what a crazy person would think so I must be crazy so I have to get back to reality but no that's all part of the game you see I have to escape from that delusion about human reality or I'll be trapped in it but can't you see that's crazy I need to not think like that yes I do I want to escape this false reality and become God again but I'm not God I'm a human and I took mushrooms but I'm God so how can I be just a human that's ridiculous no it isn't I'm not God yes I am how could I have ever been fooled otherwise oh help help help help help help...
(All the while there was a constant strong physical / emotional sensation of building, a tension that begged to be resolved, but all that happened was it kept building and building and building, twisting and morphing, without ever actually getting stronger... Fucking shrooms.)
I've come to. Where is this? I'm on a bed. Everything is strange. What's happening? Did I take something? What is 'I'? What time is it? What happened before? Was it real? Did I imagine it? Did I...
I've come to. Where is this? I'm on a bed. Everything is strange. I've done this before. What's happening? Did I take something? What is 'I'? What time is it? What happened before? Was it real? Did I imagine it? I'll figure this out...
I've come to. Where is this? I'm on a bed. Everything is stranger and dark. I've done this a few times now. I'm going to keep doing it. This is all warped. Who is that? I need to ask him what's going on. I need to ask him the time. What's going on? Right, it's past midnight and I'm tripping. What did I take? I -
I've come to. Where is this? I'm on a bed. How many fucking times has this happened? Everything is wrong. I don't like this, I...
I've come to...
Shrooms, 2g (!)
Oh god oh god how did I fucking get here what's going on in a moment this will all make sense oh help someone get me out of this fuck this is horrible I'll spiral out cycle out of this soon oh what's going on well I've lost my mind because I took mushrooms no that isn't it I'm just God and I can't decide how to get out of this trap oh but I took mushrooms so isn't that a trick oh no it isn't the real trick is believing I took mushrooms and that reality was ever real but that's what a crazy person would think so I must be crazy so I have to get back to reality but no that's all part of the game you see I have to escape from that delusion about human reality or I'll be trapped in it but can't you see that's crazy I need to not think like that yes I do I want to escape this false reality and become God again but I'm not God I'm a human and I took mushrooms but I'm God so how can I be just a human that's ridiculous no it isn't I'm not God yes I am how could I have ever been fooled otherwise oh help help help help help help...
(All the while there was a constant strong physical / emotional sensation of building, a tension that begged to be resolved, but all that happened was it kept building and building and building, twisting and morphing, without ever actually getting stronger... Fucking shrooms.)