How does E compare to opiates?

[Cerebral]

If he is insensitive to MDMA then all he has to do is take more. I find it better to er on the safe side. 80-100mg is a very reasonable dose to start with.

Pills are quite often shit, but powder can be shit as well. Whatever you get, just be sure it is tested. I promise it is worthwhile spending the $25 on a test kit, getting ecstasy that turns out to be piperazines or some other nasty cut can be a miserable experience.

I just want to commend you for doing the research and taking the time to ask these questions before trying MDMA. Very responsible of you.

Thanks so much, that's great advice. Is there a specific kit I should look for? I'm kind of new - are you allowed to link things? If so, please link me a place to find a kit. If we're not allowed to link, can you PM me with a sight? Thanks and I hope this isn't against the rules..

I would NOT recommend rolling for the first time at a concert. You're going to want to talk and interact with people, which is really hard to do at a concert. I had it happen to me, and I got stuck in my own head. I found out that night that ecstasy can amplify other emotions besides lovey dovey. It got pretty bad. Which was a shame, because it was a great concert. Just keep in mind that if you get deprived of friends or physical contact, you can get paranoid and self-judgmental. I'd suggest a more secluded setting, and just focus on being with people you care about. But I suppose it varies.

That's a great point.. It sounds like you and I might have similar mindsets when it comes to how our emotions affect us. I will definitely keep this in mind when I pick the location for my first rolling experience. Perhaps a dubstep concert at a club where I can get a private room or secluded table with a few friends and my girlfriend? Somewhere we can get a little naughty and no one will mind


Thanks so much to everyone that has responded, I really appreciate all of your advice.. don't take it to mean I don't value your advice if I didn't quote you, I'm very grateful :D

 

[Project Will]

Is there a specific kit I should look for?

Here is where you can buy a good test kit: http://dancesafe.org/products/testing-kits I use the marquis test kit - it seems to be the most popular choice. Another great thing about having a test kit is that you can help your friends test their MDMA as well, which they will certainly appreciate.

Some dealers take it personally that you want to test their shit before you buy it. Usually explaining that it's not that you don't trust them, but that it is a safety thing is a good enough explanation for them. Everyone knows there's a lot of fake shit out there. And if they wont let you test before you buy, its probably fake.

I believe it is only against the rules to source where you buy drugs, such as websites that sell research chemicals. This is entirely in the name of harm reduction, which I believe to be an okay - correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[RhythmSpring]

The come up was like a massive 5 minute panic attack from hell... followed by one of the best nights of my life.

This is interesting. In my personal experience, the intensity of the panicky feeling upon come-up seems to correspond with the intensity of the bliss of the trip.

small panic, okay experience. big panic, AWESOME time.

hm...

 

[Project Will]

This is interesting. In my personal experience, the intensity of the panicky feeling upon come-up seems to correspond with the intensity of the bliss of the trip.

small panic, okay experience. big panic, AWESOME time.

hm...

I completely and totally agree! I was at bonnaroo that first time, walking from my campsite to centeroo (music area) when it began to kick in.

I thought I was going to die. I was terrified for a couple minutes, then got a brief feeling of greatness, then more panic, then more greatness, then a little panic, then HOLY FUCKING DAMN I was flying above heaven where god wishes he could go. My eyes were wobbling faster than a speeding bullet, jaw more powerful than a locomotive and I was able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

This has happened a handful of times, but nothing like that first time. Perhaps now I know the feeling and realize what is going on, so it's not half as scary. Only really high initial doses do this to me.

I find the same true with methylone. It's happened twice on it - also only with high initial doses. First time was also at bonnaroo (but 5 years later almost to the day) when I took a 300mg initial dose having not slept in a few days. I felt like a blob of ridiculously euphoric jelly, rolling around on the ground, probably looking like a complete idiot. Good memories.

 

[Cerebral]

I completely and totally agree! I was at bonnaroo that first time, walking from my campsite to centeroo (music area) when it began to kick in.

I thought I was going to die. I was terrified for a couple minutes, then got a brief feeling of greatness, then more panic, then more greatness, then a little panic, then HOLY FUCKING DAMN I was flying above heaven where god wishes he could go. My eyes were wobbling faster than a speeding bullet, jaw more powerful than a locomotive and I was able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

This has happened a handful of times, but nothing like that first time. Perhaps now I know the feeling and realize what is going on, so it's not half as scary. Only really high initial doses do this to me.

I find the same true with methylone. It's happened twice on it - also only with high initial doses. First time was also at bonnaroo (but 5 years later almost to the day) when I took a 300mg initial dose having not slept in a few days. I felt like a blob of ridiculously euphoric jelly, rolling around on the ground, probably looking like a complete idiot. Good memories.

I've heard from a few people that the first few minutes suck.. I'll tell everyone I'm with to keep that in mind and I certainly will too

 

[severely etarded]

Apples and oranges...

This ^

I personally LOVE, LOVE, LOVE MDMA high, but opiates have never been very recreational alone to me. They can intensify other drug highs like weed or xanax or alcohol, but alone they are O.K. for a little buzz Other people get excellent rushes from opiates, so everyone is different. I only find opiates useful for pain management.

 

[Project Will]

I've heard from a few people that the first few minutes suck.. I'll tell everyone I'm with to keep that in mind and I certainly will too

It doesn't exactly suck, but it can be pretty damn scary and overwhelming if you don't know to expect it. The best thing to do if you start to panic is sit down and breath. Also, the knowledge that the feelings of panic you are experiencing will very shortly be followed by perhaps the best feeling of your life, can be an extremely comforting thought

 

[I<3Molly92]

last new years my gf at the time decided to try mdma for the first time. its was prolyl 95% pure. she snorted 150mg in line and was having a real bad roll. she was shaking and stuff. i did aloota the molly an felt great but i had a much higher tolerance than her.with me even doing 2.5gs of that same molly i insulffated in one night. i just kept snorting more and more as needed till the total at the end of the night was 2500mgs of mdma id done.

 

[Sentience]

MDMA is like an empathegenic....almost in the category of psychedelic, but more of an emotional and social opening up rather than a mental or visionary opening up, and its an amphetamine and Phenethylamine.

Its not like weed or heroin.

 

[Sentience]

It doesn't exactly suck, but it can be pretty damn scary and overwhelming if you don't know to expect it. The best thing to do if you start to panic is sit down and breath. Also, the knowledge that the feelings of panic you are experiencing will very shortly be followed by perhaps the best feeling of your life, can be an extremely comforting thought

MDMA?
Sounds like you got something that wasnt MDMA. Pure MDMA without tons of stims or RCs shouldnt be scary.

 

[Project Will]

MDMA?
Sounds like you got something that wasnt MDMA. Pure MDMA without tons of stims or RCs shouldnt be scary.

I am talking specifically about the come up. I was referring to the first time I rolled - accidentally took 300mg. The come up was very sudden and caused my heart to race, which in turn caused me to panic. It was tested, so I know it was MDMA. I talked about it in depth in an earlier post on this thread.

You have never experienced this while coming up on a high dose?

 

[Sentience]

Oh shit. Nevermind. Thats a 'heroic dose'.....5x threshold.

Yeah, I could see that being overwhelming your first time.

 

[Bsiren]

To compare it to opiates is really hard- I've done opiates, and the only similarity is the intense feeling of comfort you get from some opiates. MDMA is even more euphoric and comfortable, but not as flooring as most opiates. It's a very clear, positive headspace- it's a beautiful profound experience that will stay with you months afterwards. You won't be sloppy, or loose control of your judgement in any way.

Though I've never done heroin or "hardcore" opiates, but I don't think any of us should make a judgement if someone has or does. I would never refer to one chemical as "shit" and another as wonderful.

 

[Lady Codone]

MDMA is my second favorite drug, right after hydrocodone. It is a completely different, but equally amazing, type of euphoria that can be used in a variety of ways. It's great for self-reflection, conflict resolution and strengthening connections with loved ones but equally great for mindless partying and hedonism.

Unlike weed and psychedelics, MDMA does not cause the feelings of anxiety, unpredictability and deep/inescapable self-reflection some people experience with those drugs. It is very versatile and easy to control. Set and setting are somewhat less important with E than with LSD/shrooms/other psychs (some would disagree), as it can enhance almost ANY experience.

Good MDMA is also surprisingly mellow. I always imagined it to be very stimulating due to its popularity at raves, but the good stuff is actually pretty chill. and even sedating. Not completely opposite of an opiate high in that regard.

 

[severely etarded]

I'm jealous of people who get that intense rush from opiates.. I've tried hydrocodone, dilaudid, OC, morphine .. dilaudid IV is my favorite opiate, but it's OK IMO. it's not worth it unless I am in physical pain though. Just my honest opinion. MDMA is probably the most euphoric/happy high though, IMHO

 

[Cerebral]

MDMA is my second favorite drug, right after hydrocodone. It is a completely different, but equally amazing, type of euphoria that can be used in a variety of ways. It's great for self-reflection, conflict resolution and strengthening connections with loved ones but equally great for mindless partying and hedonism.

Unlike weed and psychedelics, MDMA does not cause the feelings of anxiety, unpredictability and deep/inescapable self-reflection some people experience with those drugs. It is very versatile and easy to control. Set and setting are somewhat less important with E than with LSD/shrooms/other psychs (some would disagree), as it can enhance almost ANY experience.

Good MDMA is also surprisingly mellow. I always imagined it to be very stimulating due to its popularity at raves, but the good stuff is actually pretty chill. and even sedating. Not completely opposite of an opiate high in that regard.

Well said.. I've eaten shrooms a few time and my last trip was certainly my last - I got very uncomfortable and hated myself for about an hour.

I could definitely use an increase of connection with loved ones..

 

[.Lucid.]

i use to be a hardcore heroin addict.. mdma is part of what helped me get over my addiction, partly because it ruined the opiate euphoria for me. now whenever i do an opiate, it doesnt feel good at all and i always regret it. when it comes to drugs, i think i just associate feeling awesome with mdma now instead of opiates..

 

[bben]

i use to be a hardcore heroin addict.. mdma is part of what helped me get over my addiction, partly because it ruined the opiate euphoria for me. now whenever i do an opiate, it doesnt feel good at all and i always regret it. when it comes to drugs, i think i just associate feeling awesome with mdma now instead of opiates..

Once you lose the magic for mdma you usually lose it for opiates as well. The serotonergic system has to be partly active to get that strong opiated euphoria.


But on the original topic. Opiates are a more sustainable high and also in my opinion they made me feel more Godlike. Especially heroin which comes from the word heroic as thats how it made bayers test subjects feel.

 

[foxyloxy55]

Nice post, but I'd say start with 80-100mg of MDMA. First time I did it I did 6 bombs in 8 hours. Best night.

Yeah, starting with 50 is pretty much useless. You will barely feel it. Start with a real dose... 100 mg. 200 at once would be intense, but you'd still be able to handle yourself. I think you'll be happy though if you start with 100 and redose a few hours in.

I'm surprised so many people are against rolling at home for the first time. I started doing it at home and after a few months, went to a rave and I was still completely floored by it, as if it were the first time. I don't know about rolling at a concert, but then again... I'm pretty partial to raves. Either way, as long as you're with the right people, and you don't have to pretend like you're not rolling, you'll have a great time no matter where you roll. I don't buy all this "it will never be the same as the first time" business. When I started rolling, every time seemed better than the last, and I can't look back and pinpoint one time that was any better then the others, not even the first, cause they were all awesome.

As far as molly vs ecstasy pills is concerned, it doesn't really matter, as long as it's real. A test kit can help you with that. You'll be able to weed out any really weak or fake pills. I've had great pills and great powder.

 

[Cerebral]

i use to be a hardcore heroin addict.. mdma is part of what helped me get over my addiction, partly because it ruined the opiate euphoria for me. now whenever i do an opiate, it doesnt feel good at all and i always regret it. when it comes to drugs, i think i just associate feeling awesome with mdma now instead of opiates..

has mdma ruined opiates for a lot of people?