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3,4-dmmc

IAP was purely serotogenic so it didn't make it n the RC scene becuz it didnt have the wider range of fx that MDA/MDMA had. Adding an N-methyl would make it more dopaminergic making it more recreational. It has nothing to do with the Aminoindans like 5iai/MDAI etc... Adding a b-Keto(making it even more dopaminergic)will most likely make it a winner but not sure how potent it would be or if it would be cost effective as I don't know how common indanylacetones/benzenes are.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
3,4-DMMC is being offered by a major bulk chemical supplier in Germany and is being called M2 so I think we will see it much more than is expected. It is also being sold as a bath salt on a certain site that tailors to the UK. These vendors have proven that they don't give a shit on the cathinone ban, they'll sell it and say it is legal and then dump the responsibility on the consumer.
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I got some of these M2 pills sitting in my safe that I got as a free sample along with a g of crystal mehpedrone, and 1g of powdered mephedrone.

best fuckin free sample I ever got, fuckin couldnt beleive how much they gave me~

The mephedrone-both powdered and crystal were awesome. Crystal was great to IV, perfectly clear solution mixed up so easy.

I have not tried these 500mg M2 pills as of yet. My friend said they were not anywhere near as good as mephedrone is though. He took 2 (the reccommended dose I beleive).

1000mg is a lot for a single dose..obviously not a very powerful drug mg for mg
 
MagickalKat777 said:
I'm not just talking about MDAI, 2-AI was a bust as well as MDMAI, MMAI, 5-IAI, and even further, the amino-tetralins seem to suck as well. IAP was on the market back in the mid 2000's - Omega carried it along with 2-AI - and it must have been crap or we would have heard more about it.
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Again, this isn't related to 2-AI, MDMAI, MMAI or 5-IAI. This is related to indanylaminopropanes. Not aminoindanes. I understand why the naming is confusing people, but these are completely unrelated (in the sense that any amphetamine derivatives can be unrelated from eachother). Look at the wikipedia entries and you ought to see the difference immediately. If you don't then, I still can't help you.


Are you in the states? Because mephedrone and methylone are everywhere - and the latter has been since the mid 2000's...

3,4-DMMC is being offered by a major bulk chemical supplier in Germany and is being called M2 so I think we will see it much more than is expected. It is also being sold as a bath salt on a certain site that tailors to the UK. These vendors have proven that they don't give a shit on the cathinone ban, they'll sell it and say it is legal and then dump the responsibility on the consumer.
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I am in the states, but I'm speaking about Europe here. With the recent addition of cathinones to the various schedules, 3,4-DMMC will be considered an analogue in all places with analogue acts (the UK was the largest mephedrone market, no?). It'll severely limit the its spread.

Murphy can speak to germany's laws better than I, but I don't believe there is any sort of analogue act in that country. At this rate there will be one soon, though.

The ban will severely limit their customer base too. They may be willing to ship through customs, but users will be wary of such. All it'll take is one of these vendors being arrested and extradited to the UK and the rest will wise up.

These things aren't going away, but their spread is going to be limited from this point forward.




We're in a new era of analogues, certainly. The DEA knows this, all of Europe definitely knows, this, and going down the road, people are going to have relatively easy access to legal recreational drugs for quite some time. Analogue acts can only be used to control analogues, and it's not hard to come up with a dozen or so classes of non-analogues with recreational value. When the best ones are gone, the crappier ones will get going.

I just hope they take safety into account while they're marking off the list. Crossing my fingers hoping they move to the few agonist pyrazoles instead of the hydrocarbon analogues of JWH's. There are also the BAY series which has a few non-analogues in it. If they go to dimethocaine, hopefully they go for para-desaminodimethocaine (same for that GYKI series benzodiazepine DARI). That sort of thing.

If it takes them two or three years to ban each compound, we could be talking about this twenty years from now.

This could force national discussions about drug policy throughout the world, and hopefully generate a coherent international policy that doesn't criminalize the relatively safe and known compounds and force people into using the potential dangerous mostly unknown compounds.
 
Yes i did try this once, a vendor i kinda know offered me a free sample, and i accepted it. I was a bit wary of trying it since it's almost completely unknown, because it's an analogue of xylopropamine and thus could be cardiotoxic, and finally because i don't really like mephedrone (the high is good but the side effects just makes it not worth it).

I titrated my dose up, but i didn't use a scale as i couldn't find my weighing dish, and i don't usually weigh out the doses of mephedrone.

I only snorted it and i found that i needed around 1.5 times as much compared to mephedrone. The high felt quite the same as mephedrone, though a bit more like mdma (more euphoric and empathic) and it seemed to last a little longer.

The side effects were mostly the same as mephedrone, with chest tightening and pain, and i think my blood pressure was quite high, because i could feel pressure inside my head. I didn't notice any vasoconstriction at least not in the form of purple joints, but i haven't ever had that side effect from mephedrone either, so it could very well be that others would experience it.

I went through my 1g sample in maybe 8 hours.

All in all this isn't a worthwhile substance, i feel it's more harmful than mephedrone, and the side effects are too severe for it to be a good drug.
 
The side effects were mostly the same as mephedrone, with chest tightening and pain, and i think my blood pressure was quite high, because i could feel pressure inside my head. I didn't notice any vasoconstriction at least not in the form of purple joints, but i haven't ever had that side effect from mephedrone either, so it could very well be that others would experience it.
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where exactly?
 
well tickle me pink and color me surprised. Just the mere fact that it had euphoric fx akin to meph or mdma is amazing. I guess it can be concluded that cathinones dont necessarily analog their amphetamine counterparts. Thanks for the report.
 
(zonk) said:
well tickle me pink and color me surprised. Just the mere fact that it had euphoric fx akin to meph or mdma is amazing. I guess it can be concluded that cathinones dont necessarily analog their amphetamine counterparts. Thanks for the report.
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Your welcome,

Why wouldn't you have thought it was euphoric? I would've thought it would be pretty much like meph before i tried it, and i was right. I think Xylopropamine would have mdma like effects at larger doses, along with high blood pressure.
 
Thought I would update this thread.

The vendor now sells 500mg 3,4-DMMC and 10mg MDPV in tablet form.

Anyone else see bodies piling up at the morgue from this combination?
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Thought I would update this thread.

The vendor now sells 500mg 3,4-DMMC and 10mg MDPV in tablet form.

Anyone else see bodies piling up at the morgue from this combination?
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In the same pill? That's just stupid, 500mg 3,4-DMMC wouldn't be a too high dose, would be like 250mg mephedrone oral, and you'd probably be okay with the 10mg MDPV in there too. But people are retards and they double or triple drop without knowing the strength of pills, so yeah i fear somebody could die from this.
 
why do people gotta sell all these mixes, cant they just sell the RC by it's real chemical name by the gram/mg and let the enduser do the mixing themselves. Maybe I'm too 'oldfashioned'
 
some awesome name said:
In the same pill? That's just stupid, 500mg 3,4-DMMC wouldn't be a too high dose, would be like 250mg mephedrone oral, and you'd probably be okay with the 10mg MDPV in there too. But people are retards and they double or triple drop without knowing the strength of pills, so yeah i fear somebody could die from this.
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That's my fear right there. People never take the doses they are supposed to - myself included - but with PV and DMMC I could see it as being very easy to O/D.

(zonk) said:
why do people gotta sell all these mixes, cant they just sell the RC by it's real chemical name by the gram/mg and let the enduser do the mixing themselves. Maybe I'm too 'oldfashioned'
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Greed. The vendor refuses to carry methylone because he personally finds it boring so instead he brings out tablets which he sells to vendors in bulk that have two potentially dangerous chemicals in them.

3,4-DMMC has been reported pretty nasty on its own. Adding PV would only make that worse I would imagine.

I would consume 4-MeMABP before I would consume this mixture.
 
saw this on a vendor site but after reading this i think i will stay well clear doesnt sound one bit safe at all. thanks peeps
 
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