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If God Doesn't exist

Mr_Fluffykins

Mr_Fluffykins

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If they prove some how, scientifically without a shadow of a doubt that there is no higher power, the earth's creation was definitely spontaneous, same with the creation of life how will you feel? if you are a religious person would you feel sad? would you be sad knowing that there is no afterlife?
would it even stop you from believing in god?

edit: by god i mean any higher power, any deity from any religion, or even a religion that doesn't exist
 
They could never "prove" such a thing because humans all have different perspectives on God. What a higher power is to me, is different from what it is to someone else. Therefore such a thing could never be proven. Spirituality is not something solid like that. You can't disprove it.
 
^ agreed. the scientific evidence thus far has proven there is no god and the religious make explanations. for instance, many Christians actually believe that dinosaur bones were planted to "test" the faithful.
 
faith is belief in the absence of proof. by extension, it can also be belief in the face of proof to the contrary.

even if you could 'prove' that god doesn't exist, a person of faith would continue to believe. you can't convince somebody rationally if they didn't arrive at their position rationally.

alasdair
 
Fawkes said:
^ agreed. the scientific evidence thus far has proven there is no god and the religious make explanations. for instance, many Christians actually believe that dinosaur bones were planted to "test" the faithful.
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To my knowledge science has done no such thing as disprove the existence of God, I may have missed the experiment but do you have a reference for this startling scientific discovery??
 
^well, if you believe in a higher power, what i deem as proof as non-existence is just missing faith to you, but i'll try my best. science suggests evolution, not Adam and Eve or divine intervention. archaeologist discover dinosaur bones and early human ancestors which are not documented in religious texts. "miracles" can usually be explained scientifically and prayers, disguised as hope, are answered in the form of chance and circumstance. horrific and terrible things occur to good people and in modern times, a god has never revealed himself.

most importantly, there's no evidence a god *does* exist. if there's nothing to study, there's nothing to prove... but there's nothing to disprove either which seems pretty convenient.
 
i think the OP was speaking hypothetically....

as in the minds of religious people there would be some kind of evidence that even disclosed their own beliefs...IN ITS ENTIRETY >:-)
 
Fawkes said:
^well, if you believe in a higher power, what i deem as proof as non-existence is just missing faith to you, but i'll try my best. science suggests evolution, not Adam and Eve or divine intervention. archaeologist discover dinosaur bones and early human ancestors which are not documented in religious texts. "miracles" can usually be explained scientifically and prayers, disguised as hope, are answered in the form of chance and circumstance. horrific and terrible things occur to good people and in modern times, a god has never revealed himself.

most importantly, there's no evidence a god *does* exist. if there's nothing to study, there's nothing to prove... but there's nothing to disprove either which seems pretty convenient.
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The spiritual or religious people who are disturbed by fossils and promote creationist pseudo-science have a mentality that religion and science are in contention for something. Stories and myths that enrich our lives in a quest for meaning don't compute on a science level. I also don't think science is going to serve the life enriching function that religion has had for many people.

Things can be life enriching with out being factually true.

The old thing about no atheists in fox holes doesn't say a single thing about the actual existence of God or a spiritual realm but it does speak to the fact that religious concepts have utility for a lot of people in certain situations. I can understand people firmly resisting religion that is at them but I think human compassion and an understanding of how important and integral some of these concepts are to some peoples well being causes me some trepidation about just trashing things perceived as sacred by others.
 
Fawkes said:
most importantly, there's no evidence a god *does* exist. if there's nothing to study, there's nothing to prove... but there's nothing to disprove either which seems pretty convenient.
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you can't prove that something doesn't exist...

free inquiry magazine said:
No one can prove an unrestricted negative" is the reply usually given to those who claim that science can prove that God does not exist. An unrestricted negative is a claim to the effect that something doesn't exist anywhere. Since no one can exhaustively examine every place in the universe, the reply goes, no one can conclusively establish the non-existence of anything.

The principle that no one can prove an unrestricted negative, however, is itself an unrestricted negative. It says, in effect, that there are no proofs of unrestricted negatives. But, if there are no proofs of unrestricted negatives, then no one can prove that no one can prove an unrestricted negative. And if no one can prove that no one can prove an unrestricted negative, then it must be logically possible to prove an unrestricted negative. So the claim that no one can prove a universal negative is self-refuting-if it's true, it's false.
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alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
you can't prove that something doesn't exist...

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alasdair
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The point I was making was science has yet to disprove the existence of a higher being. To say one cannot disprove something that does not exist is places non-existence in its premise, and conclusion, showing a level of circularity. Science may have shown that scriptural deities are unlikely to exist but cannot claim to have disproven the existence of the supernatural, as it does not deal with the supernatural, but rather with all things naturalistic. I am not offering any evidence ornaturalistic proofs for the existence of god in any case.
 
Some occultist speak of the other side of the veil. I think we have all experienced within social realities that sometimes things that were unknown to ourselves turned out to be fundamentally important to what was going on.

I'm not asking that anyone give credence to anything. It is true that things humanity or individuals did not realize or appreciate have later been realized to be real and important.

We are all building mental nests for our selves. Everybody has some facts and some figments within their nesting materials. Presenting figments as valid science should be challenged right away. A horrible crime against humanity has gone on for centuries with science constantly facing religious tests. Agitating and testing spiritual notions with rationality and science as a replacement is no doubt going to be good for some people. It is not always going to be the best way to approach situations or people.

Science tests or rational tests for religion may not make sense as science tests don't make sense for comedy or art.
 
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Perhaps to clarify a bit, I was mainly objecting to any form of Scientism which often define the intersubjective objects of enquiry.

To be sure science holds a deserved central role in human enquiry, it cannot however claim a monopoly in such endeavours.
 
Enki said:
Things can be life enriching with out being factually true.
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i definitely agree with this and hope my responses weren't taken to the contrary. god and a belief in eternal afterlife certainly serves a positive role in some people’s lives and i would never belittle someone for having faith. i fully understand the comfort it brings in times of grief to believe in being reunited in heaven with loved ones lost or in times of strife or fear to have faith in being joined and assisted by almighty hands.

but that doesn’t change that the “evidence” of a holy being (e.g. miracles, life, ghosts) can often be refuted by tangible science. despite that, i should note that i personally identify as agnostic, with leanings toward atheism. i’ve neither witnessed nor experienced anything to suggest there is a divine being, but i haven’t croaked yet either. ;)

capstone said:
I wonder how people would react if they found out their god was an extraterrestrial higher race....
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personally, this is just as valid and possible as the idea of a traditional, singular God.
 
Fawkes said:
i definitely agree with this and hope my responses weren't taken to the contrary.
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I'm sure I was posting at myself more than you even though what I quoted from you was my starting place. I have a tendency to make very light of sacred thing at times. Lacking a fixed position on the actuality of a spiritual realm makes me run hot and cold as well as often being full bore/boar about my position of the moment.
 
I wonder how people would react if they found out their god was an extraterrestrial higher race...
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Eric von Daniken (sp?) helped seed this idea as a persistent meme. One might even argue that the early passages of Genesis describe just such an event when the 'sons of God procreated with the daughters of men', as passage that has perplexed theologians for milennia, To the open minded such a possibility is as credible as the abrahamic interpretations of the relevant passages.
 
My view of "God" is that all the energy that comprises the universe is God, it is Heaven, blah blah blah.
So if they proved "God" doesn't exist that would be, to me, synonymous with proving that the universe doesn't exist.

And at that time we wouldn't have to worry about it anymore, because we would cease to be...
 
Well if there wasn't a God I kind of would be disappointed. I mean I'm not religious or anything, but I definitely am spiritual. I've always believed that there is a higher entity/ies waiting for us in a different dimension somewhere. Maybe not exactly a heaven or hell but just SOMETHING to answer all of life's questions like how the fuck we even got here, why we were made, etc. If there was no after life or a higher power then that would ruin my chances, or everyones for that matter, of finding out our true origin.

I can see many religious groups having a brain-fuck and probably loosing it due to the fact that there is no God. I mean their whole life was practically revolved around his teachings, how to live their life, what to like and what not to like. I would definitely get a little angry too because if I knew, I would of probably done a loooot more things than having to think first "is doing this going to send me straight to hell?" I'm sure a lot of suicidal victims and anyone living negatively for their lifetime would be happy either way. I mean its a piece of mind knowing there is no consequence for any of the actions you committed here on Earth.

I really hope there is something out there though. Life on Earth can't be the only thing left for us. Its pointless. We don't seem to have purpose if there is nothing to live for after we die.
 
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