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If God Doesn't exist

Earth's creation is soooo unique (I doubt there's intelligent life anywhere else), I also experienced what I believe it is like to die (same feelings/experience as other ppl who have died) and I agree with NotDeja that everyone's experience (or lack thereof) with god is different. (I also "saw" god when I "died" or left my body).
 
paranoid android said:
And you do not know that he is real. My main point is that since he has no say in how the universe is run then how is a god even relevant? You might as well pray to santa really.
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Not everything can be explained my science, and thats my point. i am Catholic but I'm not a preacher Christian, as in I don't push my beliefs on anybody.

Thing is, until you die, you dont know if he is or isnt real. You also don't know he doesnt have a say in the universe.
 
paranoid android said:
And you do not know that he is real. My main point is that since he has no say in how the universe is run then how is a god even relevant?
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If a "God" designed this universe and then set it in motion, he did happen to set the mental parameters of which you can learn to imply from.
 
nopipesdfw said:
If a "God" designed this universe and then set it in motion, he did happen to set the mental parameters of which you can learn to imply from.
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If by some chance a mystical god does exist then i doubt he set the parameters of anything much less what i think. I grew up catholic but quickly relized it was all fucking bullshit really. Im glad the catholic church lost their power over this place years ago because they teach nothing but indoctrination just like every other religion. As i always say no non denominational school could ever hope to breed as many athiests as a catholic one would. Not that protestants, muslims, etc are any different as they are all based on the same idea.

I still say god is as relevant or perhaps less so in todays society then say the easter bunny. Why do people fear god when noone fears any other superstitions?
 
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paranoid android said:
If by some chance a mystical god does exist then i doubt he set the parameters of anything much less what i think. I grew up catholic but quickly relized it was all fucking bullshit really. Im glad the catholic church lost their power over this place tears ago because they teach nothing but indoctrination just like every other religion. As i always say no non denominational school could ever hope to breed as many athiests as a catholic one would. Not that protestants, muslims, etc are any different as they are all based on the same idea.

I still say god is as relevant or perhaps less so in todays society then say the easter bunny. Why do people fear god when noone fears any other superstitions?
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If somebody or some force outside created this place, it does look like you are rather trapped and confined to thoughts you have learned within here made out of what is in here.

I'm not talking about the Abrahamic religions, if there was a mad architect or original stringed force I doubt he is the strange, pissed off toddler in the sky that the us and thems describe.

If you really are trapped inside among everybody else and there is more past this, I would not worry about claims by peers of knowing the unknowable, people like to say that. If they really do know something you don't, I doubt that person is there to hurt or claim their superstitions at you.
 
I would be happy.

I don't like the idea that outside of our minds, and constructed societies, we are still not autonomous over our own actions.

Maybe I've been reading too much Sartre (not really), but I wouldn't care - the concept of god is a tool, a way of controlling the masses through fear, and praying on people's HOPE.
 
This is a debate that has gone on for centuries but as I was skimming through the pages, I remembered a thought I carried back in middle school:

Who created the idea/concept of God? Is he/she/etc a convenient way of explaining how were here, how the earth was created?

On the topic; I think it's really hard to believe in God since there is no concrete evidence he/she exists. If you believe in him, then eventually die, and are led to understand there was no God, then your entire life was predicated on a lie.

Tomer
 
Ideas aren't genetic they are either cultural, logical, empirical, or a combination. We as humans make things, so we assume that something must have made all that we see. We have this "watchmaker complex" that we can fall prey to if we don't put forth our logical abilities. Is that what you mean by "it's in our genes?" It doesn't take scientific knowledge to practice logic. Buddhists have developed proofs denying god's existence thousands of years ago.
 
I think it is somewhat genetic, an evolutionary byproduct of the way our brain works. Every heard someone say 'god works in mysterious ways'? I think this pretty much sums it up. I think human intelligence/reasoning is deeply steeped in notions of causality. Certain actions leading to certain outcomes.

Unfortunately for us, theres far to much going on in nature and reality for our minds and senses to ever keep up with. So all of us bumble along through life with the best set of information we can gather, yet outcomes outside of our best projected future causalities continue to arise. If a person accepts that these seeming anomalies are due to an outside sentient force, god for instance, its much easier to carry on comfortably as normal. When the next unexpected event crops up, this can also be comfortably and quickly attributed to the 'will of god'.

For your average man in the street, it must be profoundly subconsciously compelling to not think too much harder about this, accepting the existence of god or 'something out there...' is much much easier than coming to terms with fact that we are all drifting in an unknowable sea of probability, with barely the thinest of straws of real information to grasp onto. Incidentally, I suspect this is part of the reason why people of faith are so easily affronted by any challenge to their faith.
 
For your average man in the street, it must be profoundly subconsciously compelling to not think too much harder about this
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Why?
Why do we give the average person in the street so little credit? When we walk outside, most of us become 'your average person in the street'. :P

ebola
 
"Incidentally, I suspect this is part of the reason why people of faith are so easily affronted by any challenge to their faith."

I am a man of faith.

I am not easily affronted by any "challenge" to my faith.

ebola's right -- you don't seem to give people much credit. The real reason most people are offended is because most people tie in their beliefs with their sense of self. The funny thing is that men (who are otherwise "logical") do this more often than women imo. Ever talk to a guy about sports?
 
You can still contribute to this thread if you want, but making a post to ask if it's still open is rather pointless.
 
its open.

i think another good question along these lines is:

what would it take to convince you completely that there is a god?
 
chasingabee said:
its open.

i think another good question along these lines is:

what would it take to convince you completely that there is a god?
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If my 2003 Toyota Tacoma morphed into a 2013 Tacoma with 0 miles on it right in front of my very eyes and then other people started asking me where I got my new truck... Or if I looked up in the sky and said, "God, may I please have some Ketamine?" and when I reached in my pocket there was a bunch of K.
 
i would feel great, hoping that the vast majority of religion would end, the plague would be over, there would no longer be a shitty excuse to hate and kill and divide those who seem different.

however the stubborn will always find a way to be stubborn. proof, facts, logic, these words are foreign to a large majority of the hard headed monotheistic believers.
 
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