2c-e Reaction Question

[zaggy]

Hi, I'm relatively new to posting threads on here, so sorry if this is in the wrong place.

Anyways, SWIM recently procured 2 caps of 2c-e from a good friend who visited recently. He said they are dosed at 15mg each. He said he himself did not get much visual activity but did trip very well. He hasn't convinced me that his experiences were as crazy as the reports online I've read, so I'm not sure if they are either not dosed at 15mgs, or just a weak batch. Though his last trip did sound like crazy (mentally).

From what I've read on here, everybody seems to react very different to the substance, so here is my question:

Since I only have 2 caps and I won't be able to get more because he is leaving soon and has none left, should I eat both of them at the same time when the time comes to consume?

I have experience with being stoned to the point of tripping, a good amount of LSD and psilocybin experiences reaching (++++) on several occasions, a handful of (+++) experiences on HBWR Seeds, dosed high a handful of times on MDMA (combined with mushrooms on one occasion), experiences with a stash of MDA pills, one lovely night on a stupid dose of MDEA, a run-in with 5-MeO-AMT, and one lovely time with Chimora (all of those besides MDEA, HBWR, and Chimora having been combined with cannabis at least once. I've combined psilocybin with HBWR seeds.). Btw, I rarely smoke cannabis now, I tend to get on the paranoid/anxious side, and I find it only once in a while makes me feel very pleasant during and afterward.

I just want to be really careful with trying a new chemical, and am really not sure if dosing what is purportedly 30mg would be more of a ride then past trips or just simply overbearing. On quality psychedelics (excluding Cactus because such is the nature of mescaline) I usually get many, many outstanding visuals as well as mental and occasionally tactile perceptual effects.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Astavats]

should I eat both of them at the same time when the time comes to consume?

You're told it's 2C-E at 15mg but you've neither weighed it or tested it yourself. On top of this you've never experienced 2C-E before. I think the obvious answer is take one of the capsule, wait two or so hour, and redose if you still feel like it's not strong enough. If you consume both and find yourself overwhelmed there's very little you'll be able to do.

 

[Drock]

If your going to take both I suggest spacing out the doses 1.5-2hr apart. It should extend the peak and probably strengthen it too, but you have less chance of a rough come up.

 

[sekio]

15mg is more than enough 2c-e to get most people spun. Since the come-up on oral 2C's can be slow, and a few milligrams can be the difference between no effects and a bad trip, I would definitely take them one at a time.

 

[zaggy]

You're told it's 2C-E at 15mg but you've neither weighed it or tested it yourself. On top of this you've never experienced 2C-E before. I think the obvious answer is take one of the capsule, wait two or so hour, and redose if you still feel like it's not strong enough. If you consume both and find yourself overwhelmed there's very little you'll be able to do.

I am almost certain it is 2c-e because his guy purchases bulk quantities from a very reliable site.

Oh, and if I find myself overwhelmed, Clonazepam is an option.

15mg is more than enough 2c-e to get most people spun. Since the come-up on oral 2C's can be slow, and a few milligrams can be the difference between no effects and a bad trip, I would definitely take them one at a time.

My friend said he suggested over one if I was experienced with psychedelics, but the way everybody reacts differently to this chemical has made me confused on what to do.

If your going to take both I suggest spacing out the doses 1.5-2hr apart. It should extend the peak and probably strengthen it too, but you have less chance of a rough come up.

I think I'll take these pieces of advice, I actually was curious and forgot to ask about redosing.

Any other suggestions are welcome, but these are looking like the logical thing to do. My friend told me if I've tripped on all the stuff I have, then 2 should be no problem, but I felt skeptical about that.

Either way, I'm excited to try a phenethylamine that's part of the 2C family, as well as one that gives you a full blown trip.

Thanks for the advice guys!

 

[sekio]

2c-e is VERY potent and has a VERY steep dose-response curve. Unless you are fine with the equivalent of over a tenstrip of acid in your head i would avoid taking 30mg - the side effects, stimulation etc get nasty at that level and the duration is markedly extended.

10mg is enough for a mild experience. 15 should be more than enough for the average person if you're not a hardhead. And be wary, the 2c's take a while to come on...

 

[zaggy]

2c-e is VERY potent and has a VERY steep dose-response curve. Unless you are fine with the equivalent of over a tenstrip of acid in your head i would avoid taking 30mg - the side effects, stimulation etc get nasty at that level and the duration is markedly extended.

10mg is enough for a mild experience. 15 should be more than enough for the average person if you're not a hardhead. And be wary, the 2c's take a while to come on...

I realize the dose response curve is very steep, but feel that I would want to take more than 15mg. I have no access to a scale of .001 or .01 for that matter.

I could take the power out of one capsule, split the pile in half and take ~7.5mg + the other capsule (net total of 22.5mg), leaving about another 7.5mg left for a nice small dose. Does that sound smart? Because the equivalent of a ten-strip sounds kinda appealing I just don't want to strip all my clothes off and punch through a window. My friend took 45mg on his last trip. But I shouldn't compare me to him because we're different people with different body chemistries and reactions. And that was enough to turn him off of 2c-e for a while. I think it's probably the inability to convey the psychedelic experience through language that's making me underestimate this specific 2c-e after hearing my friends experience.

I want to take enough for it to be a little strong (above common trip) since I'm not going to encounter it again any time soon. Like enough to put it on par with enough acid to make me close my eyes and soar through an oceanic fractal array of consciousness. But I'm not sure if experience with other psychedelics can say I'm ready for a hefty dose of 2c-e, as I have no idea what to expect besides an intense phen trip. What do you think? He told me I'd be fine with 30mg though I realize the dosage listed on Erowid for "heavy" is 25mg+ — but from the reports I've read they have all said that to vary greatly— like benign or light effects from over 15mg.

 

[fryingsquirrel]

I think dividing the second capsule in half makes FAR more sense than just jumping from 15 to 30 mgs. 2c-e has a very steep dose curve, doubling the dosage isn't like taking two hits of acid instead of one. 3o mgs of 2c-e is a shitload if you aren't used to it.

 

[zaggy]

I think dividing the second capsule in half makes FAR more sense than just jumping from 15 to 30 mgs. 2c-e has a very steep dose curve, doubling the dosage isn't like taking two hits of acid instead of one. 3o mgs of 2c-e is a shitload if you aren't used to it.

What if they aren't actually 15mg? I realize it isn't like dosing on acid, but I am used to some pretty intense tripping. If I took the "22.5mg" and it wasn't enough, when would I take the rest to boost it if I could? And also, I've had my share of intense trips, so it wouldn't be a complete shock to my system.

OH and new question— what is a good setting to trip on 2c-e? I probably only have my room and my tunes, but any suggestions would be appreciated. Nature could be a possibility but I don't like running into people who could suspect me of being on something.

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Yeah, that complicates things. Best I could say would be divide one in half, take the full one, then decide base on how you feel do either-

1-No more

2-One more

3-Both

Or just snort them both and pray.

 

[zaggy]

Or just snort them both and pray.

O.O ..or maybe snort an estimated 3-7mgs and pray it was 3-7mg???

Alright I have time to think about this... I may end up taking the whole 30mg because I'm seeking the full potential this chemical has as a catalyst for exploration and insight.

Anyone have anything to say about the best kind of setting? Still most likely my room and my tunes...and probably my guitar if I can play it without waking people up.

 

[pr0d1gy]

I would STRONGLY advise against taking 30mg of 2c-e , especially if you have never taken 2c-e before. Even if your experience with other psychedelics 2c's can be weird. The body load really varies from trip to trip and can become really bad sometimes.

 

[sekio]

If anything you should split one cap in half and eat that in addition to another whole one, or divide out a 20mg dose with liquid measurement or something. (2c-* are stable pretty much forever even in sol'n). Personally I feel 15 milligrams will be enough for a fairly intense psychedelic experience, especially with cannabis. I don't think it can be stressed enough that taking 30 milligrams on your first go is quite the gamble.

 

[zaggy]

If anything you should split one cap in half and eat that in addition to another whole one, or divide out a 20mg dose with liquid measurement or something. (2c-* are stable pretty much forever even in sol'n). Personally I feel 15 milligrams will be enough for a fairly intense psychedelic experience, especially with cannabis. I don't think it can be stressed enough that taking 30 milligrams on your first go is quite the gamble.

I have no weed, and no intention to smoke any time soon.

It looks like I'll probably be taking 1 and 1/2 then. But whatever happens, I'm sure everything will be all good. Now I need to find that opportunity to trip. I'll try and write a report.

 

[zaggy]

I took ~4mg (eyeballed - divided 15mg clump in half, divided the half in half) and it put me in between a (+) and (++). no visual activity, but there was a tripping head space that could be ignored, but waved uncontrollably every now and then. Definitely not euphoria driven, but pleasant and seems good for meditation. I watched Avatar, and it was amazing. Also watched Jackass and some stand up comedy. I felt giggly and was more so than usual. Pretty pleasant. I'm still buzzing. I plan to take 20mg when the time comes, I think that will definitely give me a powerful trip. If I decide to take more I'll let you guys know. I'm probably gonna do a trip report. If I don't do it all, I'll have a little more than 6mg lying around for an insufflation endeavor.

Sleeping should be interesting tonight, I'll see how 2c-e affects dreaming if it does.