BBC Have your say - How can we stop drug traffickers?

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11:09 UK time, Friday, 26 November 2010

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/haveyoursay/2010/11/how_can_we_stop_drug_trafficke.html

"Thirty people have been killed in five days of violence as police in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil crackdown on violent drug gangs. What is the best way to tackle South America's drug problem?

Police in Rio de Janeiro say they now have total control of the Vila Cruzeiro shanty town after drug traffickers had regrouped in the area. Suspected gang members had been blocking roads, burning cars and shooting at police stations.

Rio's governor says the violence is retaliation by drugs gangs who have been driven out of some areas by a police pacification programme. The programme is aimed at improving security and the rule of law in Rio, where favelas have been controlled by drug-trafficking gangs for many years.

Should we wage war on drug traffickers? Will Rio's pacification programme work? Should other countries adopt similar schemes? Can the international community do more to help control drug crime in Brazil?"
 
Some of the more hilarious reader comments...

19. At 11:56am on 26 Nov 2010, MrWonderfulReality wrote:
"This problem is actually getting easier and easier to deal with.

We now have manless spy craft, tiny little plane type thingys which can fly around for hour upon hour at low cost.

The UK has even invented a solar one which can fly around more or less indefinately. Once this comes into production then finding drug crops will be so EASY and so much CHEAPER in comparison to present and previous methods of finding production locations.

With this new technology, which has essentially resulted from Iraq war & Afganistan & specifically funding from these 2 wars, the WHOLE outlook on drug production is about to change.

Thing is, is that though the massive wealth income from drugs side of these criminal gangs will ultimately be seriously destroyed, I think that many of these gangs will divert their attention to OTHER criminal activity, hence as drugs decline, other just as violent criminal activity will greatly increase.

Lets not be stupid about this, the war on drugs is basically just a part of the war on CRIME.

Listen to these muppets on HYS. They think there will be an improvement if drugs are simply legalised & taxed.

What utter non factual ridiculous nonsense.

MOST of the expense of drugs is NOT suffered by USERS, it is FACTUALLY by the WIDER society, by VICTIMS.

Are these muppets saying that because of legalising drugs that the ammount of nutters on our streets will decline and the world will turn into Fantasia.

We already have so many nutters on ALCOHOL, by multiplying drug users to even HALF the number of alcohol users will FACTUALLY MULTIPLY CRIME & VIOLENCE & VICTIMS & COSTS TO SOCIETY.

The recent scientific argument put in UK is outrageously PATHETIC and an insult to anyone with half a braincell.

If these scientists put ALL their brains into the Hadron Collider and fired it I doubt it would result in a singular spark or reactive outcome.

Drugs may NOT be as dangerous to users, they MIGHT be LESS dangerous to USERS than even alcohol.

The FACT IS, is that drug users are of GREATER danger to OTHERS.

WHY so MUPPETISHLY be so concerned about USERS when the FACTS 100% PROVE that VICTIMS of drug & alcohol use are the GREATEST COST TO SOCIETY. Yes it may cost thousands to imprison these MUPPET people, but the GREATER cost is in RUINED VICTIMS lives and stolen/destroyed wealth and goods of victims.

One simple THING.

Why dont we just allow everyone to walk around carrying GUNS.

Guns can be 100% BE FACTUALLY PROVEN TO BE LESS LETHAL AND DANGEROUS TO USERS THAN DRIVING A CAR.
The WHOLE POINT is that GUNS ARE BANNED BECAUSE THEY ARE DANGEROUS TO OTHERS.

The SAME argument of DANGER TO OTHERS is 1001% FACTUALLY relvent to the PATHETIC legalise drug argument.

Hence ANYONE who maintains that drugs are LESS lethal and LESS costly to society as a whole, is basically and very easily proven in a court of law, a complete and utter stupid idiot."

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48. At 1:07pm on 26 Nov 2010, Wu Shu wrote:
"To the "legalise all drugs" brigade: I have NEVER heard such a dumb, ill-informed argument.

By the same dumb rgument, should we legalise speeding and paedophilia as we're never going to be able to stop those crimes?

Drugs are for sad losers who obviously have no happiness in their lives so need to bend their tiny, little minds to create artificial happiness. You'll be the same, sad pathetic people the next day when the drugs wear off."
 
silentangst said:
The ignorance in that comment section is overwhelming.
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Yup. On one side we have reasoned, logic arguments that sensibly address the issue.

On the other (prohibition supporting) side we have name calling, eyes-popping-out-of-head-in-rage shouting, ad hominum arguments, personal attacks and deeply flawed justifications.

As one poster noted,

89. At 2:23pm on 26 Nov 2010, Duke wrote:
Why is it that most of the people advocating the decriminalization of most recreational points are able to articulate their arguments so well, they make very valid points on how to cripple and undermine the drug barons and traffickers, (something which I think we can all agree on would be a good thing).

Yet all the people who want to keep the war going and basically kill everyone come across as, well, a few sit ups short of a six pack shall we say. Including one absolutely hilarious post stating that "The majority of drugs are controlled by those who are linked to Islamic and left wing terrorism", which gave me a good laugh on a Friday afternoon, cheers SystemF :).

Seems like maybe the drugs DO work.

Oh and I'm not a drug user, not counting a few pints of nice ale on a Friday night :)
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I agree. These guys need some serious psychedelics and/or entactogens. If ever there was an arguments for the emotional, spiritual and cognitive long-term benefits of drug use then I think this is it %)
 
If CAPS could kill we would all be dead. Fortunately THEY just make you sound much more intelligent, and make any point entirely valid
 
Hence ANYONE who maintains that drugs are LESS lethal and LESS costly to society as a whole, is basically and very easily proven in a court of law, a complete and utter stupid idiot."

I just wanted to point out that this guy is a fucking genius notice the stupid idiot part. Im pretty sure we all know they go hand in hand guy.
 
Drugs are for sad losers who obviously have no happiness in their lives so need to bend their tiny, little minds to create artificial happiness. You'll be the same, sad pathetic people the next day when the drugs wear off."
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wow. i've been fooling myself into thinking that i feel happy! now i realize just how sad and pathetic i am %)

i think this points to a sort of jealousy... it seems to me that drugs are treated as a sort of "ultimate temptation/pleasure" type thing by a lot of drug-naive prohibition supporters. as if all classes of drugs are a "super-alcohol" (since alcohol is the only drug they can relate to), with more consequences and a worse hangover and a further dissociation from reality.
 
2 words "legalise it" this would stop dealers kill/hurting people over owed money it would stop people from robing places/people to get money to get on.
if drugs were lgealised this fucked up world we live in would be a much happyer safer funner place
 
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