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Why are out-presses a no no?

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Foxy, I dont have any problems with your logic at all. I agree it makes sense. However it still goes hand in hand with my earlier posts.
 
From a harm reduction standpoint everything is moot without a test kit; it does not matter if it's a bond press and pillreports has nothing negative to say about it, without a test kit anything could be in that pill. Your have ZERO way of knowing what your are comsuming. However from a financial standpoint yes you can say that you could stand to save a few dollars from buying a press with a good rep.
 
In the Denver area, the association with out-pressed pills and piperazines seems to ring true more often than not, to answer the original question. As with any pill, though, you can't determine anything certain by the press, and pill-testing is definitely the way to go.. but in my general observation, that seems to be the case at least IN THE DENVER AREA: out-pressed pills are generally cut with pipes.

That said, test your pills. For the love of god. Someone died at a party I was at a few years ago.. a party that a good friend of mine had put her heart and soul into helping organize and promote this mother, and then had to shut the shit down instantly because someone took a bad pill and died in the emergency room.. and it was because the pill was cut with mother fucking piperazines. I am so heated about this shit. Why do they put this crap in pills? I don't understand. It makes me want to bang my head against the wall. They've taken the happiest, most loving drug on earth and polluted it with death. I just don't understand.

*shakes head furiously*

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RandomGuy123 said:
MazDan, The FACT is is that MOST(50% or more) of out pressed pills are pipes. PERIOD.
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Mate have you actually read all my posts?

And to take it one step further.........previously a figure of 95% was quoted and now you quote more than 50%.

Obviously nobody knows which is understandable.

The facts you are stating are obviously unclear. Please re read my posts on the subject.

I will allow 24 hours for anyone to add there final comments provided those comments are not ridiculous and then this is closed.
 
alasdairm said:
if you can tell me how you even begin to measure something like that accurately, i'll eat my hat.

i'd love some substantiation of the >50% figure.

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I did a quick tally of all outpressed/cutout-outpressed pills published on ecstasydata.org from November 2004-present. I did not count duplicate publications of the same press twice, and if it was questionable as to whether or not the press would be considered an "outpress" I did not include it. There was no regional discretion - all locations were included. Caffeine was not considered an adulterant although it technically is.

Out of 52 outpressed pills included, 43 were adulterated, 30 of which with a piperazine (most commonly BZP and TFMPP). The frequency of piperazine tapered off in the publications pre-2006.

Of the 9 non-adulterated pills, only 2 of them were pure MDMA, and the others I included in this category were cut with caffeine (and one instance of procaine).

Keep in mind I wrote that this was a quick tally, and while I'm sure if you did this same exact thing (it took about 5 minutes) you may not get the exact same numbers that I did but your ratio of pure/adulterated outpresses would be a similarity of statistical significance.

I guess for my tally 83% of outpresses in the last 6 years were adulterated (96% if you include caffeine and procaine as an adulterant). If you think I was biased in this then go look for yourself.
 
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dont know why they make outpressed pills bad but about 98% of em are pipes so stay away and buy a test kit..
 
You know what's funny? It makes a lot of sense that if you lived in a place where good pills are plentiful, like California, you wouldn't be very concerned about wasting money and making good buying decisions. New England's had a pretty bad year though. Not too many good pills for us to choose from and it's more than a couple of dollars on the line. I've wasted hundreds this year on buying pills only to test them and find out they are crap. It blows.
 
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