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GHB and Meth combo?

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Hey guys got some high quality meth and gonna buy a few mls of G for a dance party. Wanted to know what the effects are like?

Im tossing up between smoking and racking as smoking tends to plant me on my ass and want to talk shit but as its a dance party would rather be up around dancing, hence what the G is for, and seeing as decent pingers are so hard to come by these days.
Anyone got any experience with the 2?
 
Seems a somewhat common combo for quite a few randoms I meet these days.

I definately wouldnt advise it, especially as the Meth is going to give you more legs then you'd normally have and allow you to dose more juice without its depressant effects becoming to much, and subsequently leading you to taking to much and blowing out.

I dont condone GHB use at all, has done nothing but bad things for my scene and cost those of us responsible enough to not take drugs that can potentially kill you, rather dearly in terms of loosing events and what not.

Playing with two evils here buddy, while it's been done before and will be in future I'd say do yourself a favour and stick with less lethal/addictive substances.
 
A shitload of misconception here, l3niad, get your facts straight on these substances.

The meth/g combo is a pretty decent stand in for the lack of MDMA about, and it can be messy.

Here are a few facts to take into account:

Meth and G work on two completely different neurotransmitter sets. Blowouts can not be reversed by taking more meth, nor shortened - they may however take longer to reach the 'coma' state than usual (rolling around on the floor, grunting etc) in overdose.

It's not really a dangerous combo, it's actually quite safe if done correctly.

If you have decent G, a good dosing regime is 2ml every 2hrs. Meth and G together go together like Jonnie and Coke.

Just yeah, again, if you see someone blowing out and have meth on you at the time, don't offer it to the person - just let them ride it out (and don't force it on them - rub it in their gums etc) It won't help, and is just a waste of gear.

If someone is blowing out, just monitor their breathing, any signs of vomiting etc - that they're not in a position to hurt themselves or someone else. If problems become apparent, call 000. Cops will not attend in 99% of cases.
 
MrIbis said:
A shitload of misconception here, l3niad, get your facts straight on these substances.

The meth/g combo is a pretty decent stand in for the lack of MDMA about, and it can be messy.

Here are a few facts to take into account:

Meth and G work on two completely different neurotransmitter sets. Blowouts can not be reversed by taking more meth, nor shortened - they may however take longer to reach the 'coma' state than usual (rolling around on the floor, grunting etc) in overdose.

It's not really a dangerous combo, it's actually quite safe if done correctly.

If you have decent G, a good dosing regime is 2ml every 2hrs. Meth and G together go together like Jonnie and Coke.

Just yeah, again, if you see someone blowing out and have meth on you at the time, don't offer it to the person - just let them ride it out (and don't force it on them - rub it in their gums etc) It won't help, and is just a waste of gear.

If someone is blowing out, just monitor their breathing, any signs of vomiting etc - that they're not in a position to hurt themselves or someone else. If problems become apparent, call 000. Cops will not attend in 99% of cases.
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I dont see any misconception here? Pretty sure I've got my facts straight as usual?

I know the mechanism of actions of both drugs rather fluently, and was simply saying that the meth will keep the user from being affected by the G's depressant effects more than they normal would when taking G, which may lead some to think its safe to take more and subsequently overdose.

Pretty much the same as what you said if I'm not mistaken 8)

Why always so quick to disregard others opinions MrIbis? Your experience and advice is without a doubt apprectiated, however doesnt make your words more correct than others.

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I'd advise against using any specific dosing regeime. You dont know the purity of your G, nor how it effects you (without a good deal of prior experience) if you proceed dose very cautiously, and be aware that what your feeling on such a combo may not be the best indicator when proceeding to redose. Know your limits and stick to them.
 
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juice and shards is mad fun, but be prepared to be looked down on. g is a filthy filthy drug that has killed so much of the rave scene, people will not look at you the same. not everyone, but just saying its something to be aware of, and be aware of who you do it around or knows you're doing it...

i dont claim to be as educated in the chemistry behind all this as L3inad nor mr ibis, but from experience i've seen quite a few people brought back from the edge of a blow out with gear. one dude was fully blowin out hard as ever, we called the ambulance without any hesitation, but they took ages. got him back inside, fed him a point of meth, and he was up and running good to go and survived the night no dramas without ambo or anything. wasn't my idea, but i've seen it a few other times but not as dramatic, but i'm a believer in that. will definitely mitigate the g-naps for sure, and it seem like mr ibis is implying once it wears off you'll go down? not sure about if thats the implication, but if it is then my personal experiences have been verrrry different to that...
 
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G isn't looked at as bad in Sydney compared to Melboure its actually quite rare!

In Melbourne its everywhere people blowing out everywhere, Sydney rave scene is still kicking a little this weekend there is an underground, DSS still throw parties etc.
 
It's true, G (1,4-b) is absolutely fucking everywhere in Melbourne.

I've never done this combo but am considering doing so at an upcoming music festival unless good pills magically appear within the next couple of weeks.
 
Yeah im very cautious with G as its something that somewhat scares me more than other drugs. But seeing as shabs kind of levels me out a bit i figured something like that would put a nice messy twist onto it. I was gonna have no more than 2mls or so n see how i go from there
 
l3niad: Why advise against a dosing strategy? It's the only way to go.

My dosing advice is based on known 99.9% purity 1,4-b. Given that these methods have been used safely, i'd say it's rather good advice.

Knowing this, your product can't get any more pure, therefore my ideology is correct. It's only going to get weaker, so starting out at a dosage that you'd use for pure is the safest option, adjust accordingly to effect.

Also, since your opinion is biased to one side, what you've got to say is basically moot - since your HR advice is to not use it at all. Which fairly, is the safest option - but obviously not the option someone around here is going to take.
 
bud.lightyear said:
few things...
juice and shards is mad fun, but be prepared to be looked down on. g is a filthy filthy drug that has killed so much of the rave scene, people will not look at you the same. not everyone, but just saying its something to be aware of, and be aware of who you do it around or knows you're doing it...

i dont claim to be as educated in the chemistry behind all this as L3inad nor mr ibis, but from experience i've seen quite a few people brought back from the edge of a blow out with gear. one dude was fully blowin out hard as ever, we called the ambulance without any hesitation, but they took ages. got him back inside, fed him a point of meth, and he was up and running good to go and survived the night no dramas without ambo or anything. wasn't my idea, but i've seen it a few other times but not as dramatic, but i'm a believer in that. will definitely mitigate the g-naps for sure, and it seem like mr ibis is implying once it wears off you'll go down? not sure about if thats the implication, but if it is then my personal experiences have been verrrry different to that...
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Dude, G is a very very short acting drug. Well, in this form anyway. Within 3hrs of taking the dose, it's pretty much out of the users system.

You feeding the guy a point of meth likely on the tail end of his blowout may seem like it woke him up, and sure enough, it did - but not in the pharmacological way you're expecting. If he had still been 'fucked' from the G, he wouldn't have had any reaction at the time to the meth, and likely continued to grunt and roll around on the floor, swearing or whistling.

Also, i'm not trying to discredit anyone's beliefs here - but any of the more senior members know G happens to be an area i have a lot of expertise in.
 
MrIbis said:
l3niad: Why advise against a dosing strategy? It's the only way to go.

My dosing advice is based on known 99.9% purity 1,4-b. Given that these methods have been used safely, i'd say it's rather good advice.

Knowing this, your product can't get any more pure, therefore my ideology is correct. It's only going to get weaker, so starting out at a dosage that you'd use for pure is the safest option, adjust accordingly to effect.
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Used safely by you that is. Who no doubt has a tolerance and potentially higher body mass.

You dont know if what Montay has is 1,4-b or GBL or GHB, nor his body mass nor his tolerance.

So yes, I definately advise upon using the dosing regieme of others. Pretty fuckin' self explanitory I would have thought lol. Caution, and BIG spaces between redoses (keep them on the low side) is the only way to go, you dont know whats right for others just based on your own experiences when the dose response curve of this substance has very little difference between getting high and being in a coma.

Also, since your opinion is biased to one side, what you've got to say is basically moot - since your HR advice is to not use it at all. Which fairly, is the safest option - but obviously not the option someone around here is going to take.
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Again, so quick to disregard opinions of others. Much to your detriment buddy.
Isn't your opinion also somewhat biased? In which case by your logic, everything you've said is also moot.

"around here" Pretty sure a good percentage of bl'ers care enough about their well being to not use substances that are known to be lethal =)

You may not, but you cant speak for the rest of us.

Also, i'm not trying to discredit anyone's beliefs here - but any of the more senior members know G happens to be an area i have a lot of expertise in.
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Expert as you may be. Could still stand to take a little more care when giving advice on something so touchy as G.

God knows I've probably picked your arse up off the ground after a blowout. When you have the pleasure of catching unconscious people as their head rapidly approaches the edge of stair case, multiple times on any given night, I'm sure you understand my hate for this crap.
 
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dose your G (1.5-2.2ml MAX) and smoke your shard once you begin to feel its effects (5-7 minutes) and you'll be happy as larry
 
My favorite combo... Ever.

I usually just roll with how I'm feeling, smoke some gear during the day Friday/Saturday for band practice then when there's a bit more of a crowd to hang with in the evening I'll dose G, then I'll have a puff here and there, and dose in 2 hour intervals if I need/want to.. Never any shorter time between doses unless just a 1ml top-up sort of thing..

I guess if you're gonna combine the two, you'd wanna be comfortable with both on their own, and ideally have found your sweet spot with either.. Even though the meth can reduce the effects slightly of the G, stick with the same doses you'd have with G by itself.. I have GBL and stick with 2ml every 2 hours or thereabouts.. Sometimes you'll measure a dose and just say 'fuck it, don't need it' and there's nothing wrong with that ;) just like sometimes I'll load a pipe and just leave it.. Just go with your instict and err on the side of sensibility, always.. :)
 
L3inad said:
Used safely by you that is. Who no doubt has a tolerance and potentially higher body mass.

You dont know if what Montay has is 1,4-b or GBL or GHB, nor his body mass nor his tolerance.

So yes, I definately advise upon using the dosing regieme of others. Pretty fuckin' self explanitory I would have thought lol. Caution, and BIG spaces between redoses (keep them on the low side) is the only way to go, you dont know whats right for others just based on your own experiences when the dose response curve of this substance has very little difference between getting high and being in a coma.



Again, so quick to disregard opinions of others. Much to your detriment buddy.
Isn't your opinion also somewhat biased? In which case by your logic, everything you've said is also moot.

"around here" Pretty sure a good percentage of bl'ers care enough about their well being to not use substances that are known to be lethal =)

You may not, but you cant speak for the rest of us.



Expert as you may be. Could still stand to take a little more care when giving advice on something so touchy as G.

God knows I've probably picked your arse up off the ground after a blowout. When you have the pleasure of catching unconscious people as their head rapidly approaches the edge of stair case, multiple times on any given night, I'm sure you understand my hate for this crap.
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MrIbis gave excellent advice, he gave advice based on a new user not his tolerance. Big spaces is a good idea at least an hour however you usually feel when your sobering up have half or even a little less then half of your original dose. MrIbis DOES know what is right for others as he has allot of friends who have used G and me and him used to get on quite allot when I was new to it, my tolerance rose and is started at 2-2.5 up to about 3 with 1-1.5ml redoses. His advice was spot on.

Blowing out isn't the end of the world if your at home however it can be real bad if your out.

If you do end up in a "coma" it is very temporary and unless you have had 10+ml's and your are not in a safe enviroment there won't be any issues (For example passing out on a bed or lounge) however walking around can be dangerous as well as going out on high doses.

Every drug is known to be lethal so if your so worried about a drug being potentially lethal then don't use any drugs, G is only lethal if you have poor liver function, stupidly high doses or if you hit your head.

The advice he gave was definately sound, he didn't say DO 3ML STRAIGHT UP YOULL LOVE IT ffs!!! He gave quite good tips
 
hyroller said:
dose your G (1.5-2.2ml MAX) and smoke your shard once you begin to feel its effects (5-7 minutes) and you'll be happy as larry
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First time no way would it be 5-7 minutes more like 45 minutes, the more you do it the quicker it gets metabolised by the liver.
 
l3niad: Where did you get the idea i have a large body mass? im a tiny guy (62kg), of small-medium build with a fairly quick metabolism.

Those dosages are standard now that my tolerance has lowered due to a few years of non-abuse.

There are several threads here that easily tell someone how to determine what form of G they have - and it's really not hard to tell - so simple in fact that just the look or smell of the product gives it away.

I'll add to the void that i rarely blow out when I take G, I'm commonly the one picking up the idiots who dose up a ml every 5 minutes until their smashing their heads on the ground with their undies around their necks. I'm not so stupid as to give advice that I wouldn't take myself. I highly doubt you've ever picked me up off a sidewalk, that much is true.
 
it's a damn good mix, my favourite to go out on, although i've had a few shameful nights on this very mix, just remember to not take anymore G than what you would normally do, and yeah listen to mr ibis posts, he knows his stuff
 
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