Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Captain.Heroin]

For more info on buprenorphine overdose google( Buprenorphine: toxicity and overdose:emergency medicine news).
some of it talks about children that have overdosed on buprenorphine,children in the 2 year old range, they were taken to hospital and it took large amounts of naloxone but it says it did work.
Personally I doubt I could overdose on buprenorphine, 5 did nothing more than one did, if they were not so expensive I would give it a go right now.

Im taken my seraquel and passing out good night everone, great argument!

Naloxone doesn't reverse a buprenorphine overdose. In fact, many opiate antagonists fail to do this.

from the FAQ.... (try reading through it)

Q: Can you overdose on buprenorphine?
A: Yes you can, but typically not by itself. Buprenorphine causes respiratory depression which may lead to death, but typically wouldn't do so in a healthy individual, unless you combined other CNS depressants with buprenorphine, like benzodiazepines, alcohol, barbiturates, and other downers. The person most likely to OD on bupe has a low(if any) tolerance to opiates and may have taken another depressant. A buprenorphine overdose may not be reversed by naloxone(or naltrexone for that matter) due to bupe's higher affinity. Diprenorphine may reverse the overdose, but it is not regularly stocked by emergency personnel or hospitals. If a proper antagonist isn't available, the person suffering an overdose may be maintained with assisted respiration.

The only opiate antagonist that can reverse a buprenorphine overdose (diprenorphine), is not stocked in emergency rooms or hospitals.

 

[SkagKush]

sorry guys.....i let you all down, but not so much myself.....

i smoked half a point......then shot a half p.....then a few tokes.......then another half p shot.....and now im just finishing off whats left....smoking...

missed a bit in my left arm, fucking sucks.....

but back to bupe tomo.....no biggie.....ive been fiendin lately, needed to happen .....

 

[Alcohol120]

If I can't even feel 8mg iv, how am i going to feel 2mg? i mean, i seriously dont feel anything, no rush, no elation, no nothing. is there anything wrong with my technique? crush/mix/dissolve for about a minute or two in about 2cc of water, then micron filter and shoot.

 

[SkagKush]

read thru this mega thread, or use the search bar........

when you take a low dose, there is room left on your receptors for bupe's metabolite norbupe..... and norbupe is a full agonist.....

if you take a large dose....all your receptors get filled, and you dont get any norbupe......

 

[cj]

If I can't even feel 8mg iv, how am i going to feel 2mg? i mean, i seriously dont feel anything, no rush, no elation, no nothing. is there anything wrong with my technique? crush/mix/dissolve for about a minute or two in about 2cc of water, then micron filter and shoot.

I feel you shooting sub does nothing for me no matter what dose I do. Bupe is wierd like that this dude in rehab told me he liked the rush from bupe more then heroin

 

[JamtasticX]

If I can't even feel 8mg iv, how am i going to feel 2mg? i mean, i seriously dont feel anything, no rush, no elation, no nothing. is there anything wrong with my technique? crush/mix/dissolve for about a minute or two in about 2cc of water, then micron filter and shoot.

Suboxone doesn't follow that same logic. You'll need to lower your tolerane, and take lower amount s if you want to feel anuyything

 

[Captain.Heroin]

sorry guys.....i let you all down, but not so much myself.....

i smoked half a point......then shot a half p.....then a few tokes.......then another half p shot.....and now im just finishing off whats left....smoking...

missed a bit in my left arm, fucking sucks.....

but back to bupe tomo.....no biggie.....ive been fiendin lately, needed to happen .....

That's OK, if you're going back on buprenorphine tomorrow you'll be fine.

Did you enjoy the effects for what it was worth, or no?

I hear some people when they get on Suboxone and try heroin, they find it's not as good.

If I can't even feel 8mg iv, how am i going to feel 2mg? i mean, i seriously dont feel anything, no rush, no elation, no nothing. is there anything wrong with my technique? crush/mix/dissolve for about a minute or two in about 2cc of water, then micron filter and shoot.

Do you have an opiate tolerance/have you used full agonist opiates recently?

I feel you shooting sub does nothing for me no matter what dose I do. Bupe is wierd like that this dude in rehab told me he liked the rush from bupe more then heroin

I've heard that from someone before, it's an atypical but not completely unheard of experience.

 

[JamtasticX]

^^Personally I feel that being on suboxone has greatly lowered my tolerance.

I used to do half grams in one shot, a few times per day. Now if I do a quarter of a gram at once I get wrecked beyond belief. I get so itchy my skin literally burns off, and I can barely stay awake.

So at the very least sub has made my tolerance drop dramatically, which in the long run can't hurt

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^^Personally I feel that being on suboxone has greatly lowered my tolerance.

I used to do half grams in one shot, a few times per day. Now if I do a quarter of a gram at once I get wrecked beyond belief. I get so itchy my skin literally burns off, and I can barely stay awake.

So at the very least sub has made my tolerance drop dramatically, which in the long run can't hurt

Yeah, definitely same here. I had to taper with buprenorphine for my tolerance to drop, but it eventually did.

Do you think you'll ever want to quit using heroin, or do you think you'll be dabbling here and there for as long as you feel like it?

 

[SkagKush]

^ hey capt...... as you know, I have already tapered down to low doses.....i was at 2mg for like 3 weeks, and i have now been on 1mg daily for the past week and a half (for the most part)......

i had the supposed knowledge that you can breakthrough 2mg or less of bupe....and yes (picked up a Q), the effects were great...ive been nodding out.....

i smoked it for the euphoria, and shot it for the rush and the nod......

i was done using at like 1030, and ill dose my bupe at noon tomo....this has always been enough time for me....fun fact tho lol, i waited like 36 hours when i started BMT, and that was only 4mg until the next morning, where i took only another 4mg....this was followed by another 4mg 2 hours later or so......it was painful....

CAPT ps.......what are your plans with dope? do you plan to dabble? ..... i have twice now, but i think it need to stop, i did so well the first two months......now i am even shooting....

 

[Alcohol120]

Let's see, the last thing I did was shoot Methadone more than a week ago, and shot a couple roxi's the week before that. I was in full on withdrawals when I got the 'script for subs.

as far as the tolerance issue... let's see; I could get fully blown banging 8mg hydromorphone, or my regular thing was to shoot 30mg methadone.

If I've had ~24mg suboxone in the past 48-60 hours, will I be able to feel anything tomorrow (technically today) if I bang some oxymorphone? have i built up too much of "sub wall?"

 

[SkagKush]

when did you last take your bupe? like time......

from 8 mg you need to wait 24 to 48 hours for full or close to effects....

im lucky, im at 1mg and i just waited 10 hours to use.....worked almost perfect...

 

[JamtasticX]

Do you think you'll ever want to quit using heroin, or do you think you'll be dabbling here and there for as long as you feel like it?

It's difficult to say. My heroin use has dropped drastically. I haven't used in about 2 weeks, and in the two weeks before than only used 2-3 times.

For now I'm only on suboxone because it's not costing me much, and I have fun dabbling in heroin.

If I didn't have suboxone I'm not sure how dabbling would go, probably not the best idea, and ultimately due to circumstance outside of my control I'll probably ending up with times w/o heroin.

So when I'm not longer on suboxone I probably won't dabble in heroin at all. However, while I am on it, there's no real harm to me in playing around with heroin every once in a while, because I'm not trying to fool anyone, I never pretend my objective is to stay "clean" because, its not

Let's see, the last thing I did was shoot Methadone more than a week ago, and shot a couple roxi's the week before that. I was in full on withdrawals when I got the 'script for subs.

as far as the tolerance issue... let's see; I could get fully blown banging 8mg hydromorphone, or my regular thing was to shoot 30mg methadone.

If I've had ~24mg suboxone in the past 48-60 hours, will I be able to feel anything tomorrow (technically today) if I bang some oxymorphone? have i built up too much of "sub wall?"

It depends on how much you did at what time. Personally I would wait until you feel crappy because then you are guaranteed to feel the oxymorphone. There's no sure fire way other than that to determine when you'll feel it, however, it is possible to still feel other opiates on top of bupe/

 

[Captain.Heroin]

CAPT ps.......what are your plans with dope? do you plan to dabble? ..... i have twice now, but i think it need to stop, i did so well the first two months......now i am even shooting....

I did that for the first few months of being on Suboxone, but I'm pretty much done using heroin. I might use it again in the future, but it would be a once in a month/year sort of thing, I have no active plans on using it again.

I get such great effects from buprenorphine, plus I am more interested in using psychedelics (mushrooms, LSD, DMT, ketamine), meth, weed, and benzos (midazolam, loprazolam, flurazepam, temazepam, triazolam; the hypnotic ones) anyways.

If I couldn't find any of the above (psychedelics, meth, weed, benzos) and wanted to have a really good time, I might use heroin again but I definitely wouldn't spend any of my money on it. I would just go get it for someone, and get some for free for copping it for them.

Lately, I haven't had much luck finding psychedelics (other than my last LSD experience) or meth. Plus I haven't wanted to use more weed than normal, nor have I even felt like using benzos very often recently (I have only taken temazepam once in the last 3 to 6 months if not longer).

Eventually I plan on moving to an area of the US with a high percentage of meth dealers and users, which also coincidentally has almost no powder heroin. I would probably pick up a solid amount of powder to bring along since it would be a commodity out there, and at this point I would have no plans on using it myself (other than once a year sort of experiences), and I would also have virtually no interest in using it.

Needless to say, I really like meth and don't find it addictive and when I had it last, I didn't use it often.

Let's see, the last thing I did was shoot Methadone more than a week ago, and shot a couple roxi's the week before that. I was in full on withdrawals when I got the 'script for subs.

as far as the tolerance issue... let's see; I could get fully blown banging 8mg hydromorphone, or my regular thing was to shoot 30mg methadone.

If I've had ~24mg suboxone in the past 48-60 hours, will I be able to feel anything tomorrow (technically today) if I bang some oxymorphone? have i built up too much of "sub wall?"

This is probably why you don't enjoy IV buprenorphine. Buprenorphine's subjective effects, opiate wise, tend to "max out" at an equivalence of what I have heard to be about 30mg of methadone. Also, this is probably an equivalence for orally taking methadone.

I have a low opiate tolerance, and enjoy IVing buprenorphine (at 26 micrograms, or 0.026mg per shot), and I would only need 1mg of hydromorphone to get "fully blown". I think that having an appreciable opiate tolerance decreases the amount of euphoria you perceive from buprenorphine.

It's difficult to say. My heroin use has dropped drastically. I haven't used in about 2 weeks, and in the two weeks before than only used 2-3 times.

For now I'm only on suboxone because it's not costing me much, and I have fun dabbling in heroin.

If I didn't have suboxone I'm not sure how dabbling would go, probably not the best idea, and ultimately due to circumstance outside of my control I'll probably ending up with times w/o heroin.

So when I'm not longer on suboxone I probably won't dabble in heroin at all. However, while I am on it, there's no real harm to me in playing around with heroin every once in a while, because I'm not trying to fool anyone, I never pretend my objective is to stay "clean" because, its not

Do you think you'll want to stay on buprenorphine forever, or for a while?

 

[SkagKush]

^ lol, there goes the Capt in the heroin......but hey, this is not a bad thing.......

by the way, this is just playing around, no offense intended......

 

[JamtasticX]

Do you think you'll want to stay on buprenorphine forever, or for a while?

As long as I continue to recieve benefits from it, and my insurance doesn't change I have no plan of stopping.

My Dr. only continues to script me benzo's because I'm on it, I could sell them if I choose, I have enough to never get sick, doesn't cost me a lot.

However, if I had to pay the $400 per visit and $300 per month of pills I would just stop cold turkey, or if I forsaw tihs coming might taper while I could. It's a great drug, but it's not worth that much imo. I've gone through withdrawals before, does it suck...yes, is it worth potentially $1100 per month to postpone...no.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^ lol, there goes the Capt in the heroin......but hey, this is not a bad thing.......

by the way, this is just playing around, no offense intended......

lol, when I move I'll put in a request to change to Captain Meth.

Nah I like my name fine.

edit

I just thought about how most people who use heroin really would not like the effects of meth, ketamine/dissociatives, psychedelics, and sometimes even weed, especially when they're in withdrawal.

Interesting, huh?

As long as I continue to recieve benefits from it, and my insurance doesn't change I have no plan of stopping.

My Dr. only continues to script me benzo's because I'm on it, I could sell them if I choose, I have enough to never get sick, doesn't cost me a lot.

However, if I had to pay the $400 per visit and $300 per month of pills I would just stop cold turkey, or if I forsaw tihs coming might taper while I could. It's a great drug, but it's not worth that much imo. I've gone through withdrawals before, does it suck...yes, is it worth potentially $1100 per month to postpone...no.

Gotcha.

 

[SkagKush]

I've gone through withdrawals before, does it suck...yes, is it worth potentially $1100 per month to postpone...no.

ya eh, some of the stories on BL the docs stopped the patients way to high.....so their WD would actually be worse and longer!

 

[caseface99]

I have been prescribed Buperenorphine in the form of suboxone SL tablets and as of recently the SL film strips for 18 months - been tapering down from 12 mgs for 6-7ish months, in a state of constant however VERY tolerable withdrawal. I find suboxone withdrawal to be EXTREMELY more uncomfortable than heroin withdrawal, and honestly would prefer day 3 from a 15 bag habit than 1 1/2 days without bupe. It is horrible. It sucks. But the way i am doing it is tolerable. If anyone is trying to get off of suboxone feel free to PM me with questions, i would be more than happy to help.

Edit - Let me add that i tapered my self down all the way. It was not until i got down to 2 mgs and moved to chicago area that i had a doctor who would help. The rest was all me, so my advice is real world. Not BS text book.

 

[jaystyle]

After making a thousand phone calls in SF, most Suboxone doctors wanted $500 - $1000 for the inital visit! My Fucking GOD---

I found one doctor who does his first visit for $150, and follow-up for $65. I feel like this guy has no idea how much Suboxone doctors are supposed to charge or something. What do you think--- is this a fluke? A doctor who is out of the loop? Or can you find doctors who charge so little for suboxone.