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Why isn't Ecstasy legal?

Actually ecstasy has very much of an appeal for younger kids. My dad tells me that when he was in high school he knew a lot of people who rolled, but in the end he hasn't met a person, accept some strippers, that still roll.

In my experience the kids I know who drink rarely do it, but a lot of the kids that roll, abuse the shit out of it.

Another thing is my friends little brother says a BUNCH of kids in his grade roll, well guess what.....They're in eighth grade, that's just not cool. I wanna find out who is selling to them so I can beat his ass.
 
O i am just laughing at the people comparing alcohol with mdma saying mdma should be legal since alcohol is. I mean it's cool to try to defend your drug but come on, this is clear stupidity.
 
Imo, all drugs should be legal. Won't stop the people from doing it, but it will help the ones who went into it without proper education. If it's legal, it will give it a more legitimate face, with easier access to proper studies and the dangers of the actual drug itself.

Too bad this won't happen anytime in our lifetimes.
 
ThizzMon$teR said:
Actually ecstasy has very much of an appeal for younger kids. My dad tells me that when he was in high school he knew a lot of people who rolled, but in the end he hasn't met a person, accept some strippers, that still roll.

In my experience the kids I know who drink rarely do it, but a lot of the kids that roll, abuse the shit out of it.

Another thing is my friends little brother says a BUNCH of kids in his grade roll, well guess what.....They're in eighth grade, that's just not cool. I wanna find out who is selling to them so I can beat his ass.
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Yeah, at my highschool, many kids roll or have tried it. But there's a huge demand for mushrooms at the school, no idea why. It's like soo many people want to do shrooms even though you have a higher chance of a bad trip on it.
 
Let me bore you all with some figures.
These are the drug related deaths in England and Wales 2006.

Heroin. 713
Methadone. 241
Coke/Crack. 190
Amphetamines. 92
Ecstasy. 48
GHB. 7
Aspirin. 22
Prescription drugs. 806
Alcohol. 6627
Tobacco. 86500

65% of deaths were credited to accidental poisoning due to impure products of the black market.
I've been smoking tobacco for 25 years.
I've took drugs for 20 years off which the methylenedioxy family are my favourite.
It doesn't take rocket science to work out the one I'm most at risk from.
 
because teenagers are abusing this drug and give it a bad rep., most people do not educate themselves or know how to use the drug in a responsible way and don't have respect for it, the black market is making all of the money, on and on....
 
crunchymilk said:
Imo, all drugs should be legal. Won't stop the people from doing it, but it will help the ones who went into it without proper education. If it's legal, it will give it a more legitimate face, with easier access to proper studies and the dangers of the actual drug itself.

Too bad this won't happen anytime in our lifetimes.
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I used to think legalization was ideal, but i'm starting to think legalization would be a bad idea. Portugal decriminalized all drugs and they have had amazing results, but with legalization comes a degree of acceptance from society. Let's be honest here, the main reason most people don't do drugs I would argue isn't because of the health effects but because of society not accepting it. Most social circles aren't very accepting of people who are drug users, however mild.

Weed is becoming socially acceptable to the point where most social circles don't think of it as a big deal, but other drugs are still taboo. If however we legalized everything and allowed it to be sold for profit, harder drugs would be seen as more acceptable. As a result, more uneducated people would try these drugs and undoubtedly there would be more addicts and abusers.

Decriminalization is the way to go for hard drugs. Legalization for mild drugs (weed, shrooms, LSD) is fine IMO. MDMA I wouldn't be in favor of legalizing though, just for the simple fact that its very psychologically addicting and you have to be educated to understand how to respect this amazing drug.
 
missing old pills said:
Let me bore you all with some figures.
These are the drug related deaths in England and Wales 2006.

Heroin. 713
Methadone. 241
Coke/Crack. 190
Amphetamines. 92
Ecstasy. 48
GHB. 7
Aspirin. 22
Prescription drugs. 806
Alcohol. 6627
Tobacco. 86500

65% of deaths were credited to accidental poisoning due to impure products of the black market.
I've been smoking tobacco for 25 years.
I've took drugs for 20 years off which the methylenedioxy family are my favourite.
It doesn't take rocket science to work out the one I'm most at risk from.
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What we forget is tobacco and alcohol is legal, so not only is it easy to get, you won't get in trouble if you do it.


So let me just ask you something, I'm not challenging anyone either its just a thought

What if these other drugs were legal, do you think there would be a lot more deaths? And what if alcohol and tobacco were illegal, do you think there would be less deaths?
 
Drug related deaths are drug related deaths on the whole, they do not take into account usage rates. If drug A has 2000 deaths but 50% of the population uses it and drug B has 100 deaths but only 1% uses it, clearly drug B is more dangerous even though lesser overall deaths result. You need to look at statistics in context and realise that alcohol use is incredibly widespread in comparison with heroin, cocaine, MDMA and most illegal drugs except for marijuana. I am not condoning alcohol abuse and it is a very dangerous drug but it is also an incredibly widespread drug.

On decriminalisation, the problem that this has is that it does not stop the black market. The black market still holds onto the roughly $400 billion each year and we still get thousands of people killed in Mexico over this drug shit (I think the count is up to nearly 30,000 dead in Mexico now). Decriminalisation is better than complete zero tolerance but it only solves half the problems. Legalisation does not necessarily mean blanket laws that allow all drugs to be sold in any quantity anywhere. I think the majority of pro-legalisation movements understand the need for some sort of regulation dependent on each drug and also a huge increase in drug treatment and health related services to go along with it. Most understand that drugs can and are dangerous if used inappropriately and addiction to any drug is not pretty. The major problem with all talk about legalisation and prohibition in my experience is that it is too often seen as a black and white issue. Either you are totally zero tolerance, or you want legalisation so we can have a world where everyone uses drugs rampantly. If you say you want legalisation the majority will think that means you want everyone to instantly start shooting heroin on a daily basis.
 
dansydney said:
Drug related deaths are drug related deaths on the whole, they do not take into account usage rates. If drug A has 2000 deaths but 50% of the population uses it and drug B has 100 deaths but only 1% uses it, clearly drug B is more dangerous even though lesser overall deaths result. You need to look at statistics in context and realise that alcohol use is incredibly widespread in comparison with heroin, cocaine, MDMA and most illegal drugs except for marijuana. I am not condoning alcohol abuse and it is a very dangerous drug but it is also an incredibly widespread drug.
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I never thought of that. Very good point.
 
So because alcohol and tobacco are legal, it's fine that every cigarette releases a thousand chemicals into your body some causing cancer some more addictive than heroin and shops are allowed to sell bottles of alcohol of which some can be over 50% ethyl alcohol.
65% of deaths due to impure product.
I've taken over 100 tabs of ecstasy of which I could probably count on two hands the ones which were pure MDMA and not all the evil shit that's in them.
You want to talk harm reduction let the medical community deal with the problem not the media and closed minded governments.
 
I am not sure what you mean? I do not think its 'fine' that cigarette manufacturers have mutilated an already carcinogenic substance and made it much worse for human consumption. I am not going to stop anyone who wishes to smoke on their own choices, but I would like to see tobacco being sold in a more 'natural' form. Death is not the only problem of drugs, in human history there has been no real direct deaths as a result of marijuana, that doesn't mean marijuana cannot cause problems. Deaths are definitely something that is an issue in relation to drugs, but it doesn't mean its the only issue. It is the mental health aspect of MDMA that is most worrying, people who are in good mental health prior to taking it, who then abuse it and are then left with mental issues that were not there before. This has a huge impact on society if it is widespread and can be just as damaging in monetary and social costs on the whole. Harm can mean many things, not just physical death.
 
In the UK after years and years of alcohol and tobacco abuse(if you read the medical guides most of us abuse at least one of them) the medical community at last was given the green light to put warnings and advice on products which had in the past with the blessing of most of the worlds govenments had been glamourised in the media(well they have been the most successful drug dealers). What so wrong with letting responsible people(with the correct product and suitable warnings from the professionals not the media) let us decide what we want to do with our own bodies and minds.
 
Nothing is wrong with that IMO. This thread is centered around the harm of MDMA as it was a discussion about whether it should be on schedule 1.
 
I'm glad we got on to mental health. I got injured in the Army and got the best medical care when I was in and when I left. Unfortunatly I was later found to be suffering PTSD. The only answer was to stick me in a ex forces rest home and fed downers.
That was in 1993 it's now 2010 and there's a lot more of our people coming home from very difficult conditions.
Does our wonderful govenments do anything?
No the charity MAPS investigates treating PTSD with MDMA.
Schedule 1 in the US, class A in the UK, precursers chased all over the world costing millions which could have been given to MAPS, I don't fucking think so.
Wankers
 
F1n1shed said:
O i am just laughing at the people comparing alcohol with mdma saying mdma should be legal since alcohol is. I mean it's cool to try to defend your drug but come on, this is clear stupidity.
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And I am laughing at you who thinks that the argument above is clear stupidity. Alcohol is responsible for faaaaaaaar more deaths than mdma has ever been or ever will be. I'm done arguing on this...you either see it or you don't. It's just obvious.
 
There are two conversations we should be having here.

The first one is, how can we reduce the damage done by MDMA abuse among recreational users? Because some degree of regulation and treatment infrastructure will always be necessary to account for people who do not treat themselves with respect, out of concern for the health of the broader community (seeing this ever successfully implemented is probably a pipe dream in almost any area of the world where MDMA is used).

The second one is, how can we successfully use MDMA in medical treatment? This is a completely different conversation, and this is almost certainly the only conversation that will actually result in changing the legislative stance that the US (or any other country, probably) has towards MDMA. I think this is what we should be concentrating on. MDMA has the potential to be useful to an unparalleled degree among a growing population of people who are suffering from serious mental anguish. It deserves to be widely used as a way to help treat this specific population, and that's why we need to change the scheduling on this drug.

The whole concept of Schedule 1 drugs and the way we treat them is a failure, but it's a system that appears to be here to stay, and the way things are going to improve is through medical research. Legal recreational use of MDMA is not visible on the horizon, but the more pressing matter of legal medical use of MDMA is.
 
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