Psychedelics changing your view of cannabis?

[marienbad]

So, in the past few months I've only gotten stoned a handful of times. I used to smoke daily, or at the very least weekly, and this is probably the longest I've gone without so much weed in at least 2, maybe 3 years. But after doing a good amount of acid several times recently I feel like cannabis is no longer something I need anymore. In fact, I've come to kind of dislike several aspects of it, especially in comparison with LSD and psychedelics in general.

Simply put, I feel like cannabis fogs up my mind. Conversation becomes difficult, stilted; I say things I don't mean or things simply come out the wrong way, and I feel self-conscious about it as a result. This is why I enjoy being stoned alone more than with others. It's because when I get stoned I just want to sit around, listen to my favorite music, chill on the internet, eat endless amounts of food, etc. In other words, just fulfill my most base desires. It's essentially, at least for me, more of a selfish drug than one fit for interacting with other people and taking into consideration others' desires and feelings.

Acid though (to take just one psych as an example) really supercharges conversation. It may come out awkward sometimes, but there's always a constant flow of novel (usually humorous) ideas. And - this is what makes such a difference for me - I don't feel the fogginess I do with weed. I can watch a particularly complex film that I already love, and I can really get into it and discover new things, perceive it in an intense, heightened way that resonates even long after the trip whenever I watch the same film again sober. But I can never watch my favorite movies stoned. My attention goes to a million other things at once, I can't make total sense of what I'm seeing let alone process complex ideas or symbolism... I just feel totally distracted and zoned-out.

Generally I just think I've gotten everything I can out of weed, whereas psychedelics always have something new to show. I mean, I used to be amazed at the ideas I would get stoned and the way my thought process changed but now it's no longer interesting to me, it's just familiar and boring because I'm not getting anything new out of it.

I'm going to wrap it up here because this is a long post, though there's more I could probably say... but yeah, I just wanted to start a discussion on cannabis and psychedelics and whether you guys have had a similar experience, of tripping turning you off getting stoned a bit.

 

[SKL]

When I first started eating a lot of L, weed just made me feel dumb and agitated, it sort of interfered with the insights the L was giving me. But once the novelty of the psychedelics was a little less I was right back to smoking a good bit of ganja.

I like your name. As in "l'anee derniere a ..."?

 

[marienbad]

When I first started eating a lot of L, weed just made me feel dumb and agitated, it sort of interfered with the insights the L was giving me. But once the novelty of the psychedelics was a little less I was right back to smoking a good bit of ganja.

I like your name. As in "l'anee derniere a ..."?

Yeah, I dunno, I suppose eventually psychedelics might lose some of their novelty for me, too, as with anything. But I feel like, whether I'm doing psychs or not, weed just has lost something for me. Maybe if I wait a year it'll come back again but who knows.

And yep, that's it. Great film.

 

[Psychodelirium]

Yeah man, same story here. Weed typically makes me dumbed down, socially anxious, and sometimes outright paranoid. Psychedelics make me hyperlucid. They are almost like opposite ends of a mental spectrum. Getting stoned just seems completely unappealing after the taste of a brain overclocked on psychs.

However, I would add that after doing psychs, I have discovered dimensions of weed that were previously occluded. Try meditating with it. You may find it can be convincingly psychedelic itself.

 

[cherberbear]

I am I weed fiend but recently found myself tripping lots, it has changed the way I feel when I smoke weed, but Iv come to the conclusion that I suffered from a lil bit of the ego death and it just slapped me on the face and said

"why you smoke so much weed, you dumb ass stoner" :/

not heeded the advice though, just carrying on smoking anyway, just with a little bit of extra head fuck.......ahhhh, what are we (BLers) like

 

[Big)Sky]

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However, I would add that after doing psychs, I have discovered dimensions of weed that were previously occluded. Try meditating with it. You may find it can be convincingly psychedelic itself.

Without a doubt couldnt agree more. Ive been smoking weed for 5 years now, and doing psychedelics for bout 2 years. Ive recently taken a break on psychedelics to repair my beyond shattered ego.

About 2 months ago i was having a very hard experiences with any type of cannabis. Overwhelming anxiety, out of control heart beat, the worst tip of the tounge syndrome ive ever experienced. It led me to a 2 month break from anything besides a few social drinks. Then i figured out where my anxiety was comming from and tackled it head on and decided to give cannabis another try. My highs were overhwelming as usualy, but started smoking by my self to reduce the social anxiety.

I shortley decided to start using it as a meditative tool as opposed to a social gig. When i decided to that that, it was the most life changing experience. Now i can get completely loaded on some 20% THC Diesel infused with 80% THC Oil and not have any worries because i look to the higher power for guidance while having hightened awareness.

I recommend every person to meditate while using cannabis with a nice ambient music background music. You will be blown away at how psychedelic and self reflecting the experience is.

 

[X3DFX]

Yeah, I think for those that used weed for 'comfort' in any way, will find that comfort is less easy to find once you've done some heavy exploring.

 

[SKL]

Yeah, I think for those that used weed for 'comfort' in any way, will find that comfort is less easy to find once you've done some heavy exploring.

This is a solid gold insight right here

 

[Devourer]

I feel you on this one too..
I've been smoking weed heavily for the past 3-4 years, I stopped more recently since I switched over to legal weed (JWH and Kratom) purely for the fact it's cheap and available at the store.
I still smoke weed on occasion but I feel as if I slows me down, and raises my anxiety, making me less social and more nervous/self-conscious.
The JWH/Kratom combo is similar to weed and also raises my anxiety, but since i started doing psycs alot more recently, especially last time I did cid, I don't believe i've had overbearing cravings for the stuff.

 

[F1n1shed]

You and me both pal, in the beginning for a while weed made me socially energized. The concepts i thought on it were interesting, and things had a positive vibe to it. I didn't double think things and awkwardness wasn't around. All of that has gone now and has been gone for years but i still smoke heavily which i am working on cutting down. I mean i get nothing out of it besides a slight cure for boredom, most aspects of it are all negative for me yet i still smoke heavily : *(

 

[atara]

I find cannabis to be visual now, having tripped many a time, whereas previously it was not visual at all.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Well I did psychs before I tried cannabis (yeah, I'm one of those weird people who didn't get around to the herb for quite a while) so maybe I should be answering whether or not cannabis changed the way I look at psychedelics...really I don't think either one has changed my opinions on the other. If it has, hmmm, I'll ruminate on this topic for a while to be sure.

 

[Dark Horse]

I've been cutting back on the weed now for years. Just about stopped.

And, I've returned to a little bit of psych use after a massive break (try 25 years !). Okay, it's small - just two mescaline trips in the last two years. Still, having that feeling again is a reminder, especially compared with being high on weed or hash, that there are better ways to expand consciousness than smoking.

I'm not sure my own program of cutting back isn't the main reason for getting past weed, but I think the mesc has helped. It seems the insights from one trip can take quite a while to be absorbed. Then again....sometimes it hard to say why thinking changes. Surely though I haven't regretted cutting back, and almost cutting out, the smoking in favour of an occasional psych trip.

I plan to keep things this way for the forseeable future.

 

[cherberbear]

This is a solid gold insight right here

agreed!!!

 

[Special_Monster]

I am the same, every since psyches I rarely smoke weed and haven't bought any.
It just makes me feel quite retarded and i'll forgot the topic of conversation, go introvert in social situations and end up worrying about what i say next in case others think it sounds wierd.

Only good thing about weed is the sleep and food aspect and like you said they are just fulfilling basic human needs and aren't really social activities.

Sometimes pyches make me introvert and things awkward but i just have a few beers with them and everything turns out dandy socially.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Psychedelics and a long t-break made me change my attitude to weed. I'm pretty sure we've all been there, that stage where we love weed and we'll defend it to any length, when someone suggests even a minor negative side effect and we'll say "Nope, perfectly harmless", when we smoke it every day and let it interfere with our lives etc. Now I still love weed and JWH, but I see them as having their own negative sides, particularly on the habitual front - while we constantly defend how weed isn't addictive, smoking anything daily becomes a hard habit to quit as smoking itself is very enjoyable - and I realised that I did have some problems stopping sometimes, until I'd stopped for 1-2 weeks. I have a more unbiased view of them now, also, while I have been smoking JWH for the past month, I still haven't had a joint or bowl since March this year and I don't have a problem with that, when I get some I get some, until then I'm cool.

 

[nopipesdfw]

Yeah, I dunno, I suppose eventually psychedelics might lose some of their novelty for me, too, as with anything.

Oddly enough, the continuum seems to still be ticking with sensory and visual updates every time I trip!

I am talking enough ticking to a complete tolerance loss, though.

EDIT:

^ I used to smoke like ten to fifteen bowls of weed a day when I was in high school, now it's more like that much throughout a couple of months. I smoke different JWH compounds in different contexts on a pretty much daily basis currently, though. (I like the variety along with generally short durations, smoking a ton of weed with no tolerance will keep me high quite longer but I honestly just don't like the high as much and can get past the physical/material/visual/scentsual superiority of marijuana over a powder.)

 

[Frosta]

I don't really smoke marijuana for the psychedelic side. I smoke it because I get relaxed. With strong psychedelics like LSD and Mushrooms I use it more for stimulation of the mind. So I still find weed useful in a daily maintenance drug. I don't compare marijuana with higher level tryptamines at all.

 

[LysergicEpiphany]

Theyre just different classes of psychedelics with different effects. On the whole anxiety front just remember A few simple words from the legend himself Bob Marley; "Dont Worry, Be Happy" =]

 

[loncho]

Weed used to stimulate my mind, but for the last few months I feel foggy when I smoke up, I feel sloooow and that it takes me forever to do things, I feel really STONED, and I don't like that. I used to like it better before, it made me feel chatty, happy, etc, almost the opposite. Maybe I should try a different strain, who knows.

Also, now weed gives me that introspection you get with Lucy... no visuals though, just the mindset/ego-loss.

With psychedelics I still feel super creative anyway, and usually I enjoy smoking half a J while I wait for the acid to kick in.