ok I know this is gonna cuz a stir

[needachange]

I know already people feel very differently about methadone. Some say good some say bad, some say terrible horrible things, some say it saved their life. I dont know.
all I know is I started to inject 80 oxycontins, 2 crushed up per tablespoon. Soon my other 2 friends knew something was up why i was in the washroom so long and to my surprise they really wanted to try it too. At this time i was nodding completely off before i could even get another shot in me. I didnt have nausea and such cuz i had been taking them orally for months. So after awhile they started to be able to inject themselves and this is when it got really bad. We tryed cocaine. Wow, a really short high and god awful sketch but it was so addictting! It was like u have this taste all of a sudden in ur mouth and tounge and thats how u know how good its gonna be before u even take the needle out and then this weird thing with ur ears it sounds like everyone is talking threw tubes and I had the water running in the washroom scared the crap out of me cuz it sounded like it was talking. Ur heart is racing really bad and then its basically over so why its sooo addictting i cant tell u. My friend after a year of shooting up had to stop cuz he liked it so bad he made it like syrup and the whole ground was shaking -I had done that once only injected half the needle and got the taste in my mouth so I stopped and thank god I did cuz i had that earthquake feeling and i couldnt walk and i swear i thought i was gonna die. I liked the oxys way better cuz i have an anxiety problem. So we got to a point were we would drive to the drug store at all hours of the nite to buy needles or dig them out of the garbage and use them again and again. Horrible. I stopped cuz i put make up on top of my holes and by then it was really hard for me to get a vein. The guys had an easier time just because u can see them more. Well I got a really bad infection and had to go to the hospital and have 3 sites lanced and drained. and a painful shot of anitbiotic and completely humillated. But the stuff that came out ewhhhhhhh, Am i ever glad i went before it crossed the blood barrier and could become fatal. So i stopped injecting but we all had the additonal addiction of getting a vein pulling back and getting that rush of blood so u know u can plunge why thats sooo addictting to i dont know but it is. One of my friends was just doing water cuz he wanted that rush of finding a vien and registering. It still temps me today. So i began sniffing my oxycontins about 2 80s everyday wen i could get it. 3-4 times a week. well we all stopped but im the only one that got this bloody withdrawl that made me soooo sick i couldnt do it. 5 days once and it didnt get any better i had to have an oxy. I HAD TOO. So now Im on methadone, yes I know another drug but it had allowed me to live a legal life and not walking around looking high as a kite and other people all noticing and of course being broke. Im currently on 100mg or ml i dont know and i want off. I mean i think its making me fat, and its damaging my teeth. In my book it says those are just myths but i have always been really slender, had trouble keeping weight on. Now what can I expect from methadone withdrawl? is it worse cuz its such a long acting drug? wen i was addictted to fironol they switched me to seconal cuz its a long actting drug. and my taper went fine. unfortunately there are no medical detoxs were i live for oxycontin or methadone. so im going down by 5mg every week and i was at 130mg but since i went down to 100mg n its been 4 days im not feeling that well. I know people have strong opinions on methadone but wat am i in for here? did i make it worse on myself? is there anything to help my withdrawl? legal pills or OTC pills or herbs?? anybody? any vitamens? and yes there is a very good reason i went up that high I had to the doctors told me but I dont feel like sharing that cuz im sure there will be strong opinions and judgements on that too.

 

[needachange]

Also Suboxone/Methadone ?

Also here in Canada we only have the liquid methadone but that suboxone stuff just became available. At first I heard it was way better than methadone now im hearing its just the same shit, actually worse cuz its in a pill?? Is one better than the other?

 

[Josephus23]

Use suboxone to withdraw but do not use more than 16 mgs during the detox period.
After the detox period is over then move to short acting benzos combined with some type of stimulant. Adderall is my preferred stimulant, but different strokes for different folks.
Use short acting benzos in relatively small doses at first (xanax and ativan are the best) and then move to longer acting benzos used sparingly to finish (traxene (the best), klonopin, dalmane and valium(used sparingly) are the best).

Remember that this is for DETOX only and NOT maintenance.
Heroin maintenance has been shown to be more effective than methadone maintenance.

look here to read the study

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14583974

Opiates should always be KICKED and NEVER used as a maintenance drug.

This will only further that reversible damage to your brain chemistry and the longer one is on a maintenance program then the longer and more difficult it becomes to kick the habit.

(Ibogaine is the answer to ALL of these problems BTW)

 

[brimz]

@josephus23

I have been on methadone maitenance for over a decade and although i would not advocate this 2 anyone it has definatley saved my life and i am know down 2 40mg a day.
You come across like youare a medical profesional maybe you are i don't know.
To say that ibogaine is the answer 2 all of above problems is a very sweeping statement and very dangerous.
Also i have never heard of the prescbing of stimulants for opiate withdrawl this sounds extremlely strange.
Have u ever tried 2 get Heroin maintenance btw?

 

[mgrady3]

From what I've read, Ibogaine could indeed help quite a bit with many different addictions. But, its not that easy. You can't just go to the doctor and say I want to try ibogaine...
But it may be worth your while looking into if you could find someone who knows someone who knows someone... there are underground ibogaine cultures in many countries because of its potential to help with addiction.

also, a side note, try spacing out your posts using paragraphs. it'd be way easier to read through that way.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Use suboxone to withdraw but do not use more than 16 mgs during the detox period.
After the detox period is over then move to short acting benzos combined with some type of stimulant. Adderall is my preferred stimulant, but different strokes for different folks.
Use short acting benzos in relatively small doses at first (xanax and ativan are the best) and then move to longer acting benzos used sparingly to finish (traxene (the best), klonopin, dalmane and valium(used sparingly) are the best).

Remember that this is for DETOX only and NOT maintenance.
Heroin maintenance has been shown to be more effective than methadone maintenance.

look here to read the study

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14583974

Opiates should always be KICKED and NEVER used as a maintenance drug.

This will only further that reversible damage to your brain chemistry and the longer one is on a maintenance program then the longer and more difficult it becomes to kick the habit.

(Ibogaine is the answer to ALL of these problems BTW)

When you say 16 mg sub, do you mean use less than a total of 16mg during the entire taper, or 16 mg as a max daily dose?

 

[needachange]

@josephus23

I have been on methadone maitenance for over a decade and although i would not advocate this 2 anyone it has definatley saved my life and i am know down 2 40mg a day.
You come across like youare a medical profesional maybe you are i don't know.
To say that ibogaine is the answer 2 all of above problems is a very sweeping statement and very dangerous.
Also i have never heard of the prescbing of stimulants for opiate withdrawl this sounds extremlely strange.
Have u ever tried 2 get Heroin maintenance btw?

wat is heroin maintenance?? i have never heard of that. Maybe we dont have it here. I have never heard of Ibogaine either but i will google it. Also Im already on 4mg of clonazepam a day for years.

 

[needachange]

From what I've read, Ibogaine could indeed help quite a bit with many different addictions. But, its not that easy. You can't just go to the doctor and say I want to try ibogaine...
But it may be worth your while looking into if you could find someone who knows someone who knows someone... there are underground ibogaine cultures in many countries because of its potential to help with addiction.

also, a side note, try spacing out your posts using paragraphs. it'd be way easier to read through that way.

Thanks for the side note, will do thanks. I really didnt intend to ramble on for that long but when u start u gotta start from the begining lol. So sorry.

And no I dont work anywere in the medical proffesion and yes I have been asked this before I just find medical books a really good read. I know, Im a bit of a nerd.