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Opioids Multiple Opiate Use - Effects on Eventual Withdrawal

jaystyle

jaystyle

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Hey all,

Ever since the prices of OC has sky rocketed, I often score a number of substances and use whatever I get my hands on. One day some morphine, next day some dilaudids, next day some OCs, some norcos here and there, even snorted some H. In a week or so i'm hoping to score some opanas and fentanyl.

My question is this.... I guess answers to this question will be mostly theoretical, but tell me your opinions anyway. If you are constantly switching opiates, what will you eventual withdrawal be? My theory is that it may lessen your eventual withdrawal... Here is why I believe so.

LEts say that A B C D E F G are all target brain areas for the opiate to work with. Lets say all full agonist opiates hit A and B, but the reason they feel differnet is because:

Oxycodone does A B - C
Morphine is A B - D
Heroin is A B - D E
FENTANYL A B - F
Suboxone is A - G

If I Used oxycodone everyday, i'd be addicted to A B C. If I switch around everyday, however, I should be addicted to A B but the C D E F not so much, or not at all, since I never use one long enough and always give that area enough time to heal. You guys think this theory holds any water?

the alternative is that circulating opiate will make me addicted to each substance individually causing an insane mega withdrawal of doom (shivers).

Thoughts?
 
Well man I had rotated (although not intentionally and perfectly)
Oxy
H
Hydromorph
Morphine
Bupe
Methadone

For quite a long time. And right now I don't give a fuck which one all I know is that I want an opiate! Nothing is telling me specifics, or wanting one anymore than the other. Pretty much if you are going to do an opiate everyday ya gotta take it for what it is. I mean it is Heroin and Oxy right?

Although I see your smarts, I just don't think it really matters. Life is going to suck if you stop any after an extended period of use.
 
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LEts say that A B C D E F G are all target brain areas for the opiate to work with. Lets say all full agonist opiates hit A and B, but the reason they feel differnet is because:

Oxycodone does A B - C
Morphine is A B - D
Heroin is A B - D E
FENTANYL A B - F
Suboxone is A - G
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Now that's a weird logic! Heroin actually doesn't do anything on its own by the way...
 
All I can say is I was using fentanyl, oxymorphone, and hydromorphone and thought I wouldn't have much of any WD since I could go two days without using and never meant more in a month or so. Then when withdrawal hit and my pupils were huge and I was miserable after three days and two of them on 8mg bupe I was shocked. I'm on day 10 with 8 on 8mg suboxone and still in some WD. I don't know which one did it but the combo has been a nightmare to get off, I have a lot of bupe in my system and still....
 
Jeez you are still in withdrawal while you are taking 8mg of bup? How is that possible? Did you have a precipitated withdrawal or somehing?

Or did u mean that u WERE taking 8mg of bup a day and stopped and are having withdrawal from that?

I cant imagine having withdrawal when taking 8mg of bup that is a veyr high dose and should stop any withdrawal...
 
I understand the intent of your theory but In all honesty I think your kidding yourself...
Whats the common denominator? thier all addictive opiates. do you think that when the time comes for you to face the music your body is going to give a shit about what receptors are affected?

My bet is you'll feel that much worse...

Call me an asshole, and I honestly mean no offense, but now may be the time to consider Bupe full time. Its a nice feeling to laugh at people paying ridiculous amounts of money for a pill just so they dont feel sick.

Get some clean time under your belt and you'll see the insanity of your original post
 
JimmyCocks said:
Its a nice feeling to laugh at people paying ridiculous amounts of money for a pill just so they dont feel sick.
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That's a nice feeling for you? To see people suffer over some mistakes they made in their life? Sounds like you are a pretty miserable and bitter human being if that is where you derive your pleasure from in life.

You obviously misinterpreted my question because there's nothing insane about. I'm not taking multiple opiates in order to avoid having a withdrawal, this is just the circumstance I am at the moment. A lot of other people end up taking a multitude of opiates as well, and Im just trying to get information on what to expect out of the eventual withdrawal I will have. I'm sure other people would like to know this info too.
 
jaystyle said:
Jeez you are still in withdrawal while you are taking 8mg of bup? How is that possible? Did you have a precipitated withdrawal or somehing?

Or did u mean that u WERE taking 8mg of bup a day and stopped and are having withdrawal from that?

I cant imagine having withdrawal when taking 8mg of bup that is a veyr high dose and should stop any withdrawal...
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A day after I stopped opioids I was not in WD yet and started 8mg a day and by the third day had pretty bad WD all things considered. I am still in slight WD now with minor hot/cold flashes and have been taking 8mg a day for 10 days now. No precip WD here, I've never had it and have carefully dosed bupe 4 hours after shooting a bundle of heroin. Fentanyl is crazy shit.
 
fent and oxymorph, can both "break thru" bupe

at least so i have heard here on BL
 
TBH I have experience with just about every opiate out there... I have withdrawn on most of them both seperately and together.

Opiate withdrawal is opiate withdrawal.... some make it last a bit longer than others.. and bupe has a bit different withdrawal but aside from that it is all the same.. HELL

there isnt enough difference to really try and disect it... but I can tell you this--- if you think your withdrawal will be less due to you switching up your opiates your sadly mistaken.. I know this from personal experience

what your doing is like switching seats in the Titanic
 
Yeah, I've also learnt the hard way about switching to other opiates in the hope I could reduce the tolerance of primary DOC, but it doesnt make a difference., actually could make the same thing worse.

I'm still interested to understand more about the OP question about circulating opiates and the final consequences with regards to WD. Chemically, I'm sure each opiate/opiod has its accumulated cocktail of WD come crunch time.

P.Opi
 
Be prepared for WD no matter what opiate you are taking for an extended period of time.
 
jaystyle said:
That's a nice feeling for you? To see people suffer over some mistakes they made in their life? Sounds like you are a pretty miserable and bitter human being if that is where you derive your pleasure from in life.

You obviously misinterpreted my question because there's nothing insane about. I'm not taking multiple opiates in order to avoid having a withdrawal, this is just the circumstance I am at the moment. A lot of other people end up taking a multitude of opiates as well, and Im just trying to get information on what to expect out of the eventual withdrawal I will have. I'm sure other people would like to know this info too.
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I did not intend to offend you or anyone else.
I have been in that same situation too many times to count, If I came across as an asshole I apologize- I only was trying to encourage you and for me brutal honesty always works
 
PaPaOPI said:
.. what do you mean by or referring to with this line. Are you blaming Fentanyl and the way it blows away ones tolerance as the culprit for your everlasting WD's despite taking Bupe?

Thx

P.Opi
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Pretty much. I've gone from an extended period of opioid use to bupe a few time before and never had anything like this. It is still going on, I may talk to my doctor about going up to 12 but he wanted to pull me off.... I wonder if I'm better off tapering now while I'm WDing anyway or if I should wait until I'm stable first.
 
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