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Grey Market Chemical Potency vs. Price

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Obviously most ultra-potent "research chemicals" are much more expensive by mass than less potent ones. (BrDrFly vs. 2C-E or something). This makes sense in the typical drug dealing world but does the production of these more potent chemicals actually cost more, or do they just charge more because they can?

I was thinking about this the other day is all... like does the complexity and cost of the synthesis have anything to do with the potency of the resulting product? I can't imagine why it would.
 
Probably just marketing. Look at the prices of LSD on the street compared to anything you can get legally.
 
grey-market is most definitely an example of free-market, where the suppliers can force artificial demand and thus increase the price to whatever they want.

for example 2C-D, 2C-E, and 2C-P probably cost the exact same to produce, but the last time I saw them sold, they were approximately $50 / $100 / $150 for the same mass of compound. the dose-response of the compound determines what the buyer is willing to pay, and thus the seller will stretch the price to get the most profit from the buyer.
 
also the high price limits consumption to a certain extent, which is probably good with the high potency chems. This reduces exposure for the vendors. Could you imagine if everyone who is buying grams of 2c-c or 2c-i for ~$100 and just dipping out of the bag with little regard for safety, buying grams of DOC or DOI? There would be ER visits & scheduling hearings galore. Not to mention web-tryp part II: the international version

But yeah, it is some bullshit to deal with for the responsible ones among us. :\
 
They will charge what customers will pay. Since customers often work it out to a per dose cost, and the same amount of material will yield more doses as compared to other compounds, they're willing to pay more.

The cost of synthesis does come into play with various compounds but has nothing to do with potency. They're unrelated variables.
 
LacunaSamsara said:
They will charge what customers will pay..............................The cost of synthesis does come into play with various compounds but has nothing to do with potency. They're unrelated variables.
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Well I guess some research might determine the themes which could be applied to variables, and associations made thence.

However meantime one could look at the pricing system applied to another potent drug - alcohol, for a pricing/potency relationship. Even within the sub-categories of preparation (e.g. types/strengths of whisky) there is a distinct significance applied to the alcohol content, with more alcohol attracting more tax, thereby pushing up the price to the retailers.

I suppose I'm saying if I had to research this I would pose a question to verify whether potency was, in fact, an unrelated variable.

Complex issue, pricing, especially in a largely unregulated commercial one.

We need an economist for this one =D

Z
 
It kind of goes both ways in my experience.

Say 2C-D for example; it costs the same as other 2C-x's but requires a much higher mass per dose. This is the big turn-off with 2C-D for me; it's expense versus that of it's siblings.

Most drugs in the legal world are sold on a price per dose basis; not price per unit-mass. A script of 0.25mg xanax costs the same as the same number of pills of 0.5mg xanax. When I saw this it really pissed me off. The "money's worth" factor is determined by what your doctor writes on the script; not the manufacturing costs.

I think if psychs become mainstream 2mg of DOC will cost the same as 50mg of 2C-C even though on a mass basis they cost the same to produce.

To be honest though I don't really see in the market what you seem to be saying; DOC costs the same as 2C-C on a mass basis but DOC is a lot harder to find.

This is good IMO; if DOx's become too easily available all these kiddies finger-dipping their new toy are going to spell disaster for the mature ones among us.

This is why I think 3-MeO-PCP is hard to find. If that one becomes easy to acquire I can't imagine the consequences if it were to fall into an eyeballing kid's hands. Also when the hospital/authorities ask where they got it, the vendors would certainly be dropping like flies.
 
This isn't any artificial price inflation, the opportunity cost for producing 2c-p is higher than that for 2c-e, since for every batch of 2c-p the chemist produces, he gives up the opportunity to produce 2c-e or other more highly demanded compounds, and also most likely has to procure different precursors and potentially equipment, and also has to seek out interested distributors. As a result, it requires a higher amount to incentivise the producer.

Economics, it's what's up.
 
Well if it went purely by cost per dose, DPT would be a LOT cheaper...

But lets put it this way... pre WebTryp... with the exception of the 4-subs, almost everything was at least half the price what it is now.
 
Yeah, I remember getting a gram of 5-MeO-DiPT on liquidation a few years ago for an unbelievable price...like unbelievably cheap... And I still think it's absolute crap. That's the only RC that I would actually just give away large amounts of for free.
 
I've never tried it... the ONLY reason being the reports of psychotic breaks with the steep dose/response curve and me not having a decent enough scale for it...

But shit, look at AMT... OFC sold that shit about half the price that it is being sold now - and they had freebase so clean it barely smelled!
 
I've never tried it... the ONLY reason being the reports of psychotic breaks with the steep dose/response curve and me not having a decent enough scale for it...
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Are you speaking of 5-MeO-DiPT (foxy methoxy)? Because if you are, i am EXTREMELY surprised to hear that there have been psychotic breaks on it... I found it to be a crap compound in every way. Like I've even IV'ed 15mg while rolling, and it just is lame... You get the tripping mindset, but you don't trip at all.

I have NO FUCKING IDEA why it is schedule 1. Like there are SO many other things so much more worthwhile.
 
^ Because the DEA looks at whatever's popular on the rave scene and immediately go "Hey, if this isn't illegal yet, let's make it illegal and make money off of it! Hurp derp!"
 
planckunit said:
NBOMe derivatives are not expensive at all to produce. for example, bromo-dragonfly is more expensive to produce
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Cheapest way to NBOMe compounds is to have the parent compound handy first... so you have to order so many grams of 2C-C, 2C-D, etc., then attach the NBOMe to the chemical. That is the easiest way to do it. I am sure bromo is more expensive to produce, especially since it uses elemental bromine.
 
psilocybonaut said:
Are you speaking of 5-MeO-DiPT (foxy methoxy)? Because if you are, i am EXTREMELY surprised to hear that there have been psychotic breaks on it... I found it to be a crap compound in every way. Like I've even IV'ed 15mg while rolling, and it just is lame... You get the tripping mindset, but you don't trip at all.

I have NO FUCKING IDEA why it is schedule 1. Like there are SO many other things so much more worthwhile.
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http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_5MeODiPT_Health_Problems.shtml

Read some of them. They're nuts. There is one where it took like 3 cops to sedate this kid.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Cheapest way to NBOMe compounds is to have the parent compound handy first... so you have to order so many grams of 2C-C, 2C-D, etc., then attach the NBOMe to the chemical. That is the easiest way to do it. I am sure bromo is more expensive to produce, especially since it uses elemental bromine.
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Gee, I wonder if that's why NBOMe-Mescaline is so cheap..
 
MagickalKat777 said:
It is marketing. A lot of these compounds (with the exception of NBOMe) are rather cheap to produce.
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The NBOMe compounds aren't really that expensive to produce either, I don't think. Dragonflies are by far the most expensive ones I can think of offhand, barring lysergic acid derivatives.

I am sure bromo is more expensive to produce, especially since it uses elemental bromine.
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Elemental bromine is piss cheap

Are you speaking of 5-MeO-DiPT (foxy methoxy)? Because if you are, i am EXTREMELY surprised to hear that there have been psychotic breaks on it... I found it to be a crap compound in every way. Like I've even IV'ed 15mg while rolling, and it just is lame... You get the tripping mindset, but you don't trip at all.

I have NO FUCKING IDEA why it is schedule 1. Like there are SO many other things so much more worthwhile.
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I had a friend who eyeballed what he thought was 15mg and ended up in the ER two hours later with no idea even what his name was.
 
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