i recently started on a methadone clinic and they dont let anyone on who is on benzos. my friend told me for some reason that peple who take klonopin (even if they take it without a script) never get in trouble for it , but ppl who take xanax do ,i dont get it , why wouldnt they find out about the klonopin ? its a benzo and they test for them.............
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Methadone clinic and benzos
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leigh12
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i see two diff docs for the two , the methadone dude said xanax shld be pulled off the shelves. worst drug ever , and to get off it str8 away
but i still take em with my meth (110mg 1mg/ml) , i dont get any feeling from em, from neither , just keeps me from wd
but i still take em with my meth (110mg 1mg/ml) , i dont get any feeling from em, from neither , just keeps me from wd
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Alright, both methadone and benzodiazepine derivatives are depressants. Moreover clonazepam is very well known to be used by methadone maintenance patients to boost methadone effects and it does it greatly.
When I was on my way to be stabilized on a "good" dose, I was on 6mg clonazepam a day. The retard (read: doctor the boss on that hospital ward) cut my clonazepam down right off by 2mg and wanted me off it. The other thing is I got and get clonazepam from other psychiatrist and there's no way for either doctor to check if I'm on methadone for one or if I'm on clonazepam for the other. The only way is testing. Anyway, I didn't make it on the hospital ward then. And later when I really wanted the program because I don't have money to buy methadone, that stupid retard had no place for me. Anyway, if it meant stopping using clonazepam, I'd pass as I get clonazepam for free and actually methadone doesn't work for me without clonazepam at doses I take it and I can't take higher doses because I don't have money for more. And I don't have time right now for solving my "addiction problems". Yeah, I'm addicted, I have no problem with that as the only solution is taking methadone, be it from the program or any other way because I'm too deep in this shit already.
Never mind, I've just a little wasted so excuse my honesty.
Oh, you ask about alprazolam... Well, I don't know where you got but you got a retard as your doctor too because one might take alprazolam for anxiety and methadone isn't a drug for anxiety so maintenance program doesn't justify making patients stop taking alprazolam or any other benzodiazepine for reasons other I pointed out.
When I was on my way to be stabilized on a "good" dose, I was on 6mg clonazepam a day. The retard (read: doctor the boss on that hospital ward) cut my clonazepam down right off by 2mg and wanted me off it. The other thing is I got and get clonazepam from other psychiatrist and there's no way for either doctor to check if I'm on methadone for one or if I'm on clonazepam for the other. The only way is testing. Anyway, I didn't make it on the hospital ward then. And later when I really wanted the program because I don't have money to buy methadone, that stupid retard had no place for me. Anyway, if it meant stopping using clonazepam, I'd pass as I get clonazepam for free and actually methadone doesn't work for me without clonazepam at doses I take it and I can't take higher doses because I don't have money for more. And I don't have time right now for solving my "addiction problems". Yeah, I'm addicted, I have no problem with that as the only solution is taking methadone, be it from the program or any other way because I'm too deep in this shit already.
Never mind, I've just a little wasted so excuse my honesty.
Oh, you ask about alprazolam... Well, I don't know where you got but you got a retard as your doctor too because one might take alprazolam for anxiety and methadone isn't a drug for anxiety so maintenance program doesn't justify making patients stop taking alprazolam or any other benzodiazepine for reasons other I pointed out.
ro4eva
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I'm on 240mg of Methadone daily. I started the methadone program in January of this year.
I'm also on 0.5mg of Xanax 3 times a day. I started taking Xanax in November of 2005.
Since I started the methadone program, my methadone doctor has told me methadone + xanax have a synergistic effect (that according to him only seems to happen with methadone + xanax) that causes people who are tolerant to both drugs to nod. This is the truth, because I used to nod a lot on this combo. Eventually I developed a tolerance to this and I don't nod anymore. Also, at my request, I was switched to Klonopin (Clonazepam) for a month to see the difference and I can tell you that methadone + Clonazepam did NOT cause the nods that I would get when taking methadone + Xanax. This is why clinics don't like to mix methadone with Xanax. I'm not exaggerating about the nods. There is a big chance you WILL nod if you mix methadone with Xanax. For some reason, this combo is profoundly sedating.
Also, I can see why some doctors think Xanax should made illegal. Out of all the benzos I've done (Alprazolam, Bromazepam, Clonazepam, Diazepam, Flurazepam, Lorazepam, Midazolam, Nitrazepam, Oxazepam, Phenazepam, Temazepam, Triazolam), it's still the one that hits me the hardest when it kicks in.
I'm also on 0.5mg of Xanax 3 times a day. I started taking Xanax in November of 2005.
Since I started the methadone program, my methadone doctor has told me methadone + xanax have a synergistic effect (that according to him only seems to happen with methadone + xanax) that causes people who are tolerant to both drugs to nod. This is the truth, because I used to nod a lot on this combo. Eventually I developed a tolerance to this and I don't nod anymore. Also, at my request, I was switched to Klonopin (Clonazepam) for a month to see the difference and I can tell you that methadone + Clonazepam did NOT cause the nods that I would get when taking methadone + Xanax. This is why clinics don't like to mix methadone with Xanax. I'm not exaggerating about the nods. There is a big chance you WILL nod if you mix methadone with Xanax. For some reason, this combo is profoundly sedating.
Also, I can see why some doctors think Xanax should made illegal. Out of all the benzos I've done (Alprazolam, Bromazepam, Clonazepam, Diazepam, Flurazepam, Lorazepam, Midazolam, Nitrazepam, Oxazepam, Phenazepam, Temazepam, Triazolam), it's still the one that hits me the hardest when it kicks in.
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BananasAndOranges
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My old idiot clinic told me benzos were not allowed at clinics ever. There stupid. I passed a piss test and I smoked hella dank the night before. Those rules they give you at clinics are for that clinic and that clinic only . I am not sure about klonopin not showing up. I know that's not completely true
ro4eva
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Not allowed as in they won't prescribe any to anyone who legitimately needs them? That is fucked up if that's what you mean.
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They would find out about the clonazepam just as much as they would the alprazolam. Both are benzodiazepine derivatives.
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My last clinic told me they were NOT allowed at ANY clinic. With a script or not. Then I moved and came to a new clinic. They don't care about weed at all or benzos as long as you're scripted, or stimulants. As long as you don't use opiates they don't care. Everyone at my clinic takes bars. I have been asked for some, and asked if I want any from random people there I don't know. Klonopin is a benzo so I dont get why they told you it wouldn't show up. All benzos even the weakest ones show up on a piss test. I think your clinic may have a problem with xanax because it sedates a lot. Clonazepam doesn't sedate you all at once but over a spread out period of time it builds up then causes sedation. I think its one of the safer benzos, than and lorazepam. I really hate diazepam. Its 30 minute anti anxiety mechanism doesn't work for shit, and if I'm wrong on the 30 minute anxiety relief I dunno. I do know its addicting, more so than others. It does last longer than most but it just stays in your body to prevent a wd. Its a wd benzo med. I don't know why doctors give it to patients with anxiety buuutttt annnyyywaaayyy
ro4eva
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If you're referring to me I never said that or if I did somewhere and I forget then I'm wrong in saying it. I did say that I tried Klonopin for a month and that it didn't sedate me the way Xanax does (when combined with methadone). Also, any benzo including Klonopin will show up on a piss test at my clinic and they'll take away your carries if you're not scripted benzos and they show up in your urine sample. What that being said however, my clinic hands out benzos like candy to many patients for different reasons. They just tend to stay away from prescribing Xanax but made an exception with me I suppose because I've been on it for 5 years now.
BananasAndOranges
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^thats odd. never heard of clinic prescribing medicine to patients. personally I think xanax is terrible for medicinal purposes regarding anxiety relief. Lorazepam always shows me better relief. but blah blah
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I been taking xanax 2mg. three times a day for overr 12 years, I am highly benzo and opiate tolerant! If I have to choose to W/D from one of them, believe this..........it would be the opiates!!! Benzo W/D is the worst of anything I have ran out of, if ya don't need them PLEASE stay away!!!
ok so do i A. go to counselor an ask if its ok if i go back on klonopin since i have it scripted (they may ask for release to my klonopin dr. but he doesnt know im on methadone , i lied and said had no drug problem to him)
B . just use someone elses piss that has only methadone in it
C go off klonopin and use my own piss but ive been on k pin for month so i dont know when my piss will be clean
D just be honest and say i had to lie to get on program , (they made me sign a sheet when i go on sayin i dont take no benzos)
B . just use someone elses piss that has only methadone in it
C go off klonopin and use my own piss but ive been on k pin for month so i dont know when my piss will be clean
D just be honest and say i had to lie to get on program , (they made me sign a sheet when i go on sayin i dont take no benzos)
Dude, you're BSing us.
Methadone + ANY benzo = over sedation/"nod"
From your list of benzos you've tried - triazolam, temazepam, nitrazepam, and midazolam are hypnotic benzos, which means they are designed to act especially quickly and hit especially hard.
In my experience, there is NO benzo that acts as quickly or hits as hard as triazolam does and people who say otherwise haven't tried triazolam.
Temazepam, nitrazepam, diazepam, midazolam, flunitrazepam, and a bunch of other benzos have been quicker and harder then alprazolam in my experiences.
Also, I've never met a single doctor that wants to make Xanax illegal -- in fact its the other way around. Doctors love prescribing it, that's why it is by far the most prescribed benzo in the U.S. It's also popular with doctors in most countries of the world.
Temazepam and flunitrazepam are the benzos that have issues with regulation as they are usually placed in more restrictive schedules due to abuse.
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ro4eva
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Dude, I'm not BSing anyone. I have no reason to.
I've combined many benzos with methadone and the only one that makes me nod off is xanax + methadone. clonazepam + methadone doesn't do it. flurazepam + methadone doesn't do it, lorazepam + methadone doesn't do it, oxazepam doesn't, diazepam doesn't, and so forth. I have no reason to lie about this. I'm trying to reduce overdoses by writing about my experiences, that's all since this is a harm reduction website.
Triazolam (Apo-Triazolam is the one I took) may be the strongest on a mg per mg basis, but it didn't hit me as hard as Xanax. And yes I was on it for a couple of weeks for severe insomnia (Zopiclone wouldn't work). I came to HATE it because it would cause me to be an anxious fuck the next day at work after taking it a few nights straight.
The other benzos you mentioned that hit you harder in your experiences may be true. I don't know you, everyone is different. Temazepam (insomnia) did not hit me quicker/harder than Alprazolam, neither did Nitrazepam (illegally obtained), neither did IV diazepam (panic attack), midazolam (combined with fentanyl before a colonoscopy) came close, and I never tried Flunitrazepam.
Your comment about doctors loving prescribing Xanax is false, especially when it comes to mixing it with methadone. And again I have no reason to lie, I've seen videos and read articles and even forum posts on Bluelight about doctors who never prescribe Xanax because they say it's way too addictive.
Temazepam is no more controlled than the other benzos I've tried. I can't speak for the other benzo you mentioned as I never tried it.
The point I was trying to make is that methadone + xanax is especially sedating compared to methadone + the other benzos I've tried mixing with it. Example: I take my methadone one day with 1mg of Clonazepam and I don't feel sedated at all. The next day I take my methadone with 1mg of Alprazolam and I begin to nod off. Give it a try, you'll see what I mean.
P.S. Watch the documentary on YouTube called Methadonia. It's about a few junkies in NY trying to clean up. There's a part in it where you'll hear one of the junkies tell you how for some reason when he mixes his methadone with xanax, it makes him nod off even though he's tolerant.
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Here's the thing...when something sounds like BS, 9 times out of 10 its BS ("if it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck then its probably a duck").
Sorry, I'm not going to go for that "oh everyone is different" crap here. Yes, in some instances this is true, but benzos are benzos and their main course of action is CNS depression (sedation)...so I find it almost impossible to believe that one anxiolytic benzo is the one and only benzo that will cause a "nod" when mixed with methadone.
Sorry, it just sounds utterly ridiculous and made up.
I'm not going to watch 1 documentary titled "Methadonia" to see how much doctors "hate" xanax or to see some guy say "methadone+xanax" causes him to nod. Any benzo + methadone will cause a person to nod. LOL!
Alprazolam is the most widely prescribed benzodiazepine in the United States (and elsewhere) NOT because doctors hate it or think it's this super addictive benzo -- on the contrary, doctors prescribe it because it's effective, relatively safe, easy to dose, and because they like it and feel comfortable with it.
And yes, Temazepam is far more tightly controlled then pretty much all other benzos in Europe and much of Asia due to widespread abuse, diversion, and deaths through overdose -- go do some research. In fact, the drug is banned in several countries (Sweden and Norway are 2 examples).
Also, studies have shown that Temazepam is the most sedating benzo (and the one that causes most overdose).
Check out this scientific study about that
So you see why I find it hard to believe your Xanax story. All the hypnotics are more sedating then Xanax. Hypnotics like nitrazepam, flunitrazepam, triazolam, temazepam, flurazepam, loprazolam, lormetazepam, midazolam, and others.
There are non-hypnotic benzos that i find more sedating then Xanax - diazepam and phenazepam are just 2 examples.
Look dude, I'm sorry I dont mean to sound like an asshole or anything.
I just don't believe it because it doesn't make sense to me....i guess it could be that u are reacting very very differently then almost all other ppl, but the chances of that are pretty slim (to none).
That's why I just don't believe it. Not saying you're intentionally lying, just that the facts dont give credit to your story.
Sorry, I'm not going to go for that "oh everyone is different" crap here. Yes, in some instances this is true, but benzos are benzos and their main course of action is CNS depression (sedation)...so I find it almost impossible to believe that one anxiolytic benzo is the one and only benzo that will cause a "nod" when mixed with methadone.
Sorry, it just sounds utterly ridiculous and made up.
I'm not going to watch 1 documentary titled "Methadonia" to see how much doctors "hate" xanax or to see some guy say "methadone+xanax" causes him to nod. Any benzo + methadone will cause a person to nod. LOL!
Alprazolam is the most widely prescribed benzodiazepine in the United States (and elsewhere) NOT because doctors hate it or think it's this super addictive benzo -- on the contrary, doctors prescribe it because it's effective, relatively safe, easy to dose, and because they like it and feel comfortable with it.
And yes, Temazepam is far more tightly controlled then pretty much all other benzos in Europe and much of Asia due to widespread abuse, diversion, and deaths through overdose -- go do some research. In fact, the drug is banned in several countries (Sweden and Norway are 2 examples).
Also, studies have shown that Temazepam is the most sedating benzo (and the one that causes most overdose).
Check out this scientific study about that
So you see why I find it hard to believe your Xanax story. All the hypnotics are more sedating then Xanax. Hypnotics like nitrazepam, flunitrazepam, triazolam, temazepam, flurazepam, loprazolam, lormetazepam, midazolam, and others.
There are non-hypnotic benzos that i find more sedating then Xanax - diazepam and phenazepam are just 2 examples.
Look dude, I'm sorry I dont mean to sound like an asshole or anything.
I just don't believe it because it doesn't make sense to me....i guess it could be that u are reacting very very differently then almost all other ppl, but the chances of that are pretty slim (to none).
That's why I just don't believe it. Not saying you're intentionally lying, just that the facts dont give credit to your story.
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BananasAndOranges
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oh yea no doubt xanax is weak. I could take ativan and do and get better effects. I would switch my temazepam to ativan. Temazepam is more sedating than xanax. the more sedating the more the nod. xanax is like a 1 hour thing for me. just makes me feel, spacey, annoyed. I agree with you buddy
I believe its on a clinic to clinic basis. years ago i was going to a different clinic and was still using heroin, taking bnzos but I was going everyday so i had nothing to loose. the only thing that clinic cared about and alot of others is coke. I believe that was the one thing you could get kicked off for.I now go to a different clinic got clean and have a month of takehomes. With the takehomes i have something to loose So It depends on what clinic you go to, And if you have any takehomes to loose.
ro4eva
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Can you please quote me where I said that Alprazolam is the only benzodiazepine that will cause a "nod" when mixed with methadone. Because that's not what I said. Read my post carefully. I said I tried A FEW benzos with methadone and Xanax was the only one that caused a "nod." Not every damn benzo.
Can you please quote me where I said to watch the documentary Methadonia to see how much doctors "hate" xanax. I never said it. Read carefully. Because that's twice you've misread/misquoted me.
Source?
Do my research? LOL, Out of 33 the synthesized and tested/trialed benzos only 29 are available in the U.S. OK, so Temazepam is the most sought after benzo in Australia and parts of Europe (especially the U.K.) but not very sought after in North America and is banned in 2 european countries. Thanks for the info.
Source - http://www.benzosupport.org/History of Benzodiazepines.htm
Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_benzodiazepines
And about your Temazepam rant below....
That's funny, read this study which shows that Alprazolam is relatively more toxic than other benzodiazepines in overdose - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1884537/?tool=pmcentrez
Did you know that all benzos have the same pharmacological properties? They are: Sedative, hypnotic (sleep-inducing), anxiolytic (anti-anxiety), anticonvulsant, muscle relaxant and amnesic[1]. I've taken Triazolam for my panic attacks and it worked wonders! Also it didn't knock me out. I was able to actually work that day. Did you know Lorazepam is the only benzodiazepine which also acts as an antiemetic[2]?
Source [1] - Page C, Michael C, Sutter M, Walker M, Hoffman BB (2002). Integrated Pharmacology (2nd ed.). C.V. Mosby. ISBN 978-0723432210.
Source [2] - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1443746
You are acting like an asshole. And I probably am too. Your "studies" that you've linked are about as credible as the "studies" I've linked. I've been on Xanax (for 5 years) and many other benzos (which I mentioned) since 2001. I've been on opiates/opioids (almost all available in the U.S. with the exception of Hydrocodone) since 2002 when I had my first surgery. I've been mixing opiates/opioids with benzos since that time. I've done my research and homework. Considering I'm a junkie and I've been mixing two strong CNS depressants which are responsible for a lot of deaths since 2002, I'd probably be dead as well if I didn't know what I'm ingesting.
Try to read what I'm trying to say.
1) I find that out of the SMALL number of benzos I've combined with methadone, Xanax gives me a "nod."
2) I find that out of all the benzos I've tried (this has nothing to do with mixing them with methadone), Xanax hit me the hardest.
Maybe I'm sensitive to Xanax. It could be.
Oh and for some reason I find Zopiclone to be euphoric. Most people from what I gather think it's crap. There ya go. We're different.
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