can you prolong a mushroom peak?

[deano88]

Seriously, just smoke some banisteriopsis caapi vine or get some pure tetrahydroharmine (its easily found online and its not expensive) and take that with your shrooms.

what effect does banisteriopsis caapi vine and tetrahydroharmine have? i never heard of these before is it like weed?

 

[33Hz]

what effect does banisteriopsis caapi vine and tetrahydroharmine have? i never heard of these before is it like weed?

They're reversible MAOI's. They basically slow the breakdown of certain drugs in the body and allow higher, longer lasting, peak concentrations.

 

[deano88]

They're reversible MAOI's. They basically slow the breakdown of certain drugs in the body and allow higher, longer lasting, peak concentrations.

sounds good to me. are they safe?

 

[33Hz]

sounds good to me. are they safe?

Mixing MAOIs with other drugs can be extremely fucking dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. It's something you really need to read up on before you go doing it imo.

 

[The Hebrew Hammer]

Smoke some caapi... that will extend the trip and add a more spiritual edge to it.

+1 for sure...

I still havent gotten the balls to drink caapi tea before eating the mushrooms, but that is supposedly extremely intense and long...

I am sure you could find the right ballance of dosage of caapi and mushrooms for the effect you are looking for with some trial and error rounds.

 

[MagickalKat777]

If you smoke caapi, you have much less of a chance of "overdoing" it than if you take it orally.

 

[Ismene]

I still havent gotten the balls to drink caapi tea before eating the mushrooms, but that is supposedly extremely intense and long...

I am sure you could find the right ballance of dosage of caapi and mushrooms for the effect you are looking for with some trial and error rounds.

What taking an MAOI does is change the mushroom trip into an oral DMT trip. As DMT is a lot more psychedelic than mushrooms you get the characteristic DMT "jewels floating in the air" open-eye visuals and there's a gorgeous bodyhigh to it. The peak lasts for longer than mushrooms and it's probably the ultimate psychedelic experience. That's using an MAOI called moclobemide (trade name aurorix - it's an anti-depressant). And while DMT freebase taken orally gives you nausea, mushrooms and moclo doesn't cause any nausea.

The only problem is it's so psychedelic that you can only take it once every 6-8 weeks. It's definately not as immense if you try and take it more regularly than that. Unlike mushrooms which you can sometimes take every weekend for a while.

 

[swilow]

No, it's just a waste of mushrooms. Once your receptors are all occupied the rest just floats around your bloodstream before being pissed out. You might notice a physical effect as your body process's the shrooms but there'll be next to no psychedelic effect.

Taking 300mg of moclobemide (trade name aurorix) will make the mushroom trip massively more psychedelic as it converts the effects of mushrooms into DMT.

Oh no Ismene, you've said some weird things before (as have I ) but this is plain wrong. A MAO inhibitor will not convert 4-Ho-DMT into DMT; that simply does not happen. A MAOi will stop the rapid metabolism of mushrooms (and other substances) by "switching off" the MAO enzyme system.

Taking a MAOi will defintely prolong and intensify the effects of mushrooms, but has nothing to do with DMT. Trace amounts of nnDMT are present in some mushroom species, but its a neglible amount.

 

[Ismene]

Oh no Ismene, you've said some weird things before (as have I ) but this is plain wrong. A MAO inhibitor will not convert 4-Ho-DMT into DMT; that simply does not happen. A MAOi will stop the rapid metabolism of mushrooms (and other substances) by "switching off" the MAO enzyme system.

Taking a MAOi will defintely prolong and intensify the effects of mushrooms, but has nothing to do with DMT. Trace amounts of nnDMT are present in some mushroom species, but its a neglible amount.

So my dear willow, can you explain why a mushroom + moclobemide trip is EXACTLY the same as an oral DMT freebase trip? I've taken DMT freebase orally dozens of times and it's indistuingishable from mushrooms and moclo.

Mushrooms and moclobemide is NOTHING like a mushroom trip so forget any idea that it "prolongs a mushroom trip" because it doesn't. The visuals and bodyhigh you get are nothing like what you get from psilocybin. It becomes an oral DMT trip. And I've taken mushrooms more times than your granny has sucked eggs :D

I think the people who claim that moclobemide "intensifies" a mushroom trip simply have never taken oral DMT - if they had they'd recognise DMT.

Incidentally I would be interested in any theories willow - I'm not entirely convinced that the MAOI converts psilocybin to DMT in the brain but something is happening that makes the psilocybin act like DMT.

 

[The Hebrew Hammer]

So my dear willow, can you explain why a mushroom + moclobemide trip is EXACTLY the same as an oral DMT freebase trip? I've taken DMT freebase orally dozens of times and it's indistuingishable from mushrooms and moclo.

Mushrooms and moclobemide is NOTHING like a mushroom trip so forget any idea that it "prolongs a mushroom trip" because it doesn't. The visuals and bodyhigh you get are nothing like what you get from psilocybin. It becomes an oral DMT trip. And I've taken mushrooms more times than your granny has sucked eggs :D

I think the people who claim that moclobemide "intensifies" a mushroom trip simply have never taken oral DMT - if they had they'd recognise DMT.

Incidentally I would be interested in any theories willow - I'm not entirely convinced that the MAOI converts psilocybin to DMT in the brain but something is happening that makes the psilocybin act like DMT.

Dude, you are wrong. Look up about the MAO process and what it does, inhibiting this enzyme absolutely does not convert DMT into another molecule, it just slows down the rate at which it is metabolized.

The reason it is indistinguishable from an oral dmt trip for you is because you can not tell the difference, they are both psychedelic experiences, and I think that they are quite similar, while they each have their very own unique characteristics they are still very similar. Both chemicals are agonists at similar sets of receptors, thus causing similar effects.

I challenge you to find one definition for MAOI online from a reputable source stating something that would indicate that inhibiting MAO from occurring would convert 4-ho-dmt into dmt....

I will find you several definitions of MAOI that do not state anything of that nature if you'd like...


the main reason it may remind you ov oral DMT is because oral dmt with an MAOI makes the DMT trip happen slower... and then it seems much more mushroom-esque

 

[melange]

man just take some harmaline and settle this %)

 

[swilow]

So my dear willow, can you explain why a mushroom + moclobemide trip is EXACTLY the same as an oral DMT freebase trip? I've taken DMT freebase orally dozens of times and it's indistuingishable from mushrooms and moclo.

Mushrooms and moclobemide is NOTHING like a mushroom trip so forget any idea that it "prolongs a mushroom trip" because it doesn't. The visuals and bodyhigh you get are nothing like what you get from psilocybin. It becomes an oral DMT trip. And I've taken mushrooms more times than your granny has sucked eggs :D

I think the people who claim that moclobemide "intensifies" a mushroom trip simply have never taken oral DMT - if they had they'd recognise DMT.

Incidentally I would be interested in any theories willow - I'm not entirely convinced that the MAOI converts psilocybin to DMT in the brain but something is happening that makes the psilocybin act like DMT.

Okay, Issy my darling- well, lets assume that MAO inhibition in reagrds to mushrooms might allow some secondary metabolites of the tryptamine family to become active. That could explain the similarities. Or at least, the diffewrences between stright mushrooms and MAOi+mushrooms.

But, as Hebrew pointed out- there is no way that inhibitng MAO is going to remove the 4 positioned hydroxyl group. Your brain already dephosphorylated the psilocybin (assumed); after that, its up to MAO-a to break it down. Our bodies can dehydroxylate things (i think); but that has nothing to do with taking a MAOi. The MAO system deaminates things.

A lot of people have taken mushrooms and MAOi's, and yes, they may compare it to oral DMT. But- people who take mushrooms sans MAOi may still compare it to oral DMT.

Sorry, but your body simply cannot convert psilocybin/psilocin to DMT. :D

 

[Ismene]

The reason it is indistinguishable from an oral dmt trip for you is because you can not tell the difference, they are both psychedelic experiences, and I think that they are quite similar, while they each have their very own unique characteristics they are still very similar.

Oh please Hebrew. If you think psilocybin and oral DMT are similar then you need to take them more often. DMT visuals are unique to DMT. You don't get anything like them on mushrooms. I've taken mushrooms and oral DMT more times than you've had hot dinners and I know every physical and mental nuance of each drug better than I know the back of my hand.

So forget that theory. We're still left with the simple fact that mushrooms and moclobemide are exactly like an oral DMT trip. If you can offer an explanation then be my guest.

 

[Ismene]

A lot of people have taken mushrooms and MAOi's, and yes, they may compare it to oral DMT. But- people who take mushrooms sans MAOi may still compare it to oral DMT.

I'd have to disagree with you there dearest willow...I think anyone who'se taken oral DMT on a regular basis would agree that there's a pretty enormous difference between DMT and mushrooms. I think there's as big a difference as there is between LSD and mushrooms.

well, lets assume that MAO inhibition in reagrds to mushrooms might allow some secondary metabolites of the tryptamine family to become active. That could explain the similarities

I'm open to all theories :D But it's a bit more than being "similar" to DMT. When you take mushrooms and moclobemide you see DMT visuals. You get the DMT bodyhigh and you get the DMT presence.

One other thing, you can't take mushrooms and moclobemide every week because the DMT effects drop off rapidly. If you try taking it every week, even if you take 20 dried grams of mushrooms you'll still only get a weak DMT effect. You don't get a psilocybin high at all. Even from 20 dried grams - the MAOI is changing how the psilocybin interacts with your receptors.

 

[mandelbrot333]

When you are talking about oral ROA with DMT, are you speaking of strickly nnDMT with no MAOI? As far as I'm aware, freebase DMT is not orally active and requires an MAOI.

The thing to keep in mind about MAOI's is, depending on the MAOI, they act on a lot of different receptors. What some of the previous members have said reigns true. MAOIs stop MAOs (presynaptic terminal enzymes) from oxidizing (breaking apart) nuerotransmitters and therefore causing increased levels of them.
Moclobemide acts upon serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine.
DMT is a serotonin agonist (with affinity at other receptors).

When you take Moclobemide, the DMT/Psylocin is then allowed to do it's thing in full force, along with the added effects of increased levels of dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine.

I can understand why Psylocin + MAOI would be similar for you if you were ingesting DMT + MAOI. Both psylocin and DMT are serotonin agonists.

 

[swilow]

^In a word, thats correct.

Oh please Hebrew. If you think psilocybin and oral DMT are similar then you need to take them more often. DMT visuals are unique to DMT. You don't get anything like them on mushrooms.

You don't get anything like them on mushrooms

One problem; you did. You just said that...

Maybe- and this is farfectched- the psilocin blocks up your 5HT2-a receptors, and you are feeling the effects of decreased metabolism of endogenous DMT. Except- if your receptors are saturated, then you still won't feel the effect of DMT, endogenous or exongenous.

I don't think mentioning how many times you've done this means much. In fact, it might lead to more bias. Your body is used to the effects of moclobemide and DMT; you are likely to see more similarities then differences when replacing DMT with mushrooms.

Either way, the physiological fact remains; 4-HO-DMT will never turn into DMT. Ever.

I've taken ayahuasca several times; smoke DMT hundreds of times; and used mushrooms close to 100 times. I've also taken ayahuasca and mushrooms a few times. None of them really felt all that similar, except for the obvious parts.

 

[DwayneHoover]

Arguments arguments!

Yea, take 3g, a slightly heaping teaspoon, of Syrian Rue seeds, grind finely in a coffee bean grinder, consume... wait 45 mins... take less than usual dose of dried shrooms maybe 1.5g. It will feel like 3g, last longer, feel deeper and more "spiritual", like you have some guardian guide spirit chaperoning you... also it seems for me to greatly lessen the anxiety/panic effect of shrooms and lend a much more stable euphoric effect.

YMMV.

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Pull this up next time you and friends are buzzed... you'll all be ROTFL in no time! Watch it all the way... the last millisecond before the blackout is a genius ending to a brilliant skit.​

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Just smoke some pot if you want to.

Or eat enough mushrooms so time slows to a crawl or stops during the peak or at various times during the mushroom experience.

I never used MAOIs but if you do make sure you know a lot about them, what they do, and the special diet restrictions.

 

[Ismene]

One problem; you did. You just said that...

No, I said taking mushrooms AND moclobemide is like DMT.

Your body is used to the effects of moclobemide and DMT; you are likely to see more similarities then differences when replacing DMT with mushrooms.

No, your body can't get "used" to DMT because if you try taking it regularly the effects drop off sharply. And remember when I take mushrooms alone it's nothing like DMT, it's like psilocybin.

None of them really felt all that similar, except for the obvious parts.

Then we'll have to get together and try mushrooms and moclobemide willow. The truth of the pudding is in the eating :D

 

[swilow]

^Me wants puddin