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Taking Ice for the first time; advice and tips

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psytaco

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Hi guys,

my birthday is on the weekend so I'm wanting to get on it. normally I would go with pills or speed, but the pills are shit and I can't get speed. so instead I am getting one point of Ice.

I was wondering:

1) How long are effects expected to last if smoked?
2) What is a good starting dose for smoking? I'd like to be high and sociable not completely fucked (that can come later=D) as I will have to talk to plenty of people.
3) any other good advice.

I am a little experienced with smoking speed (rock/powder) but never smoked Ice. Are the effects similiar

Kind regards hommies and hommettes.
 
1) How long are effects expected to last if smoked?
2) What is a good starting dose for smoking? I'd like to be high and sociable not completely fucked (that can come later) as I will have to talk to plenty of people.
3) any other good advice.
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1) Probably 4 - 5 hours.
2) Assuming it's fairly clean, throw 1/4 point in there, take slow tokes until you get the feel for the strength of it.
3) I'm not sure about the SSRI thing, but effectively all speed sold in Australia is methamphetamine, so the only difference should be a substantial increase in purity. Unless the speed you were getting is racemic, in which case the ice will provide a cleaner high with more of a headrush and less harsh physical stimulation, since it's generally, I believe, purely d-meth.
 
If you're only getting a point... don't waste it... tilt the pipe side to side a lot while sucking to make the liquid run so it produces more vapor and keep the lighter a fair distance away.. hard to explain, don't get your hopes up, the rush is only there if done properly and it ain't easy (but it is fun!) Personally I like the body rush from snorting it. SSRI's didn't seem to have much effect on me, maybe got me a bit higher, and definitely made the comedowns easier (and sweatier.)
If it's pretty pure, the first half a point will probably last 5-6 hours, the second half a point will last about 2-4 hours (personally), and even after that you are still pretty wired and can drink like a fish.
 
Amphetamines (Methamphetamine, Adderall, Dexedrine), Ritalin (methylphenidate), Cocaine, 4-MAr (4-methylaminorex, sometimes called 'ice' or 'euphoria'):The effects of these drugs on someone taking an SSRI will not be significantly different. With the amphetamines, especially methamphetamine, there will be less 'loveyness' but overall, the high will remain unchanged. This is a safe combination overall, and you should still be able to get high from these stimulants while on an SSRI.
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Like Crankinit said, if you've smoked 'speed' before, you've already smoked methamphetamine. So just use your past experiences to guide you, the only main difference will (hopefully) be a higher purity than you're used to, though even crystallised stuff can be cut to fuck.
 
Happy Birthday!!

For the most sociable high, I recommend snorting it or drinking it. There is a degree of "peak" and craving for the next "peak" a few hours later that often happens when smoking meth. It ain't very sociable to nick off to another room, then come out all wide eyed and sweaty after a few hours into a party.

It also depends on the product you are actually receiving from your supplier.

Are you getting Methamphetamine, or is it 4-Methylaminorex - both look similar but have pretty different dosage and effects.
 
Nickelodeon said:
Happy Birthday!!

For the most sociable high, I recommend snorting it or drinking it. There is a degree of "peak" and craving for the next "peak" a few hours later that often happens when smoking meth. It ain't very sociable to nick off to another room, then come out all wide eyed and sweaty after a few hours into a party.

It also depends on the product you are actually receiving from your supplier.

Are you getting Methamphetamine, or is it 4-Methylaminorex - both look similar but have pretty different dosage and effects.
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Thanks:)

yeah, a friend who is much more experienced than I said that eating it is his prefered method of using it.

What is a good oral dose to take? ditto snorting?

I might try both methods, prob snort some or eat some earlier on in the night to be social. then smoke later. probably not the best look to be too off guts early on in the night.;)

BTW: I know price discussion is not allowed. but the price of shard is absolutely digusting. I feel sorry for anyone addicted to it, or who uses it regularly - you'd never have any money.
 
Crankinit said:
1) Probably 4 - 5 hours.
2) Assuming it's fairly clean, throw 1/4 point in there, take slow tokes until you get the feel for the strength of it.
3) I'm not sure about the SSRI thing, but effectively all speed sold in Australia is methamphetamine, so the only difference should be a substantial increase in purity. Unless the speed you were getting is racemic, in which case the ice will provide a cleaner high with more of a headrush and less harsh physical stimulation, since it's generally, I believe, purely d-meth.
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4-5 hours? What garbage you must be getting.

I use occassionally, last time using 100mg kept my girlfriend and i going for 12 hours.

4-5 hours is more like speed, fark dat shiutttt.
 
As long as you're getting quality product, it's no more expensive than 'speed', $/mg of actual meth. I find as a rule the two end up being fairly interchangeable, shards are just more consistantly of high quality (and I prefer clean crystals that melt nicely to some gluggy colored mess cut with god knows what).

Any meth habit is absurdly expensive, which is why most addicts are dealers.

4-5 hours? What garbage you must be getting.
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I meant 4 - 5 hours off one toke. The whole point should last a lot longer than that.
 
ashstorm said:
Not always psilo.. I had 4-MAR sold as meth.. at the same price as meth

^_^ i was one happy girl.. but i don't think that will happen again..
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This happened to me recently, and I proceeded to head back to the D (who didn't actually know!) and purchase the remaining stock and put away for storage.


I do have to say it is a Blue Moon event....but it does happen!! :)
 
sir pacman said:
Not everyone drinks like a fish on meth. Know a few people who smoke meth often and dont enjoy alcohol with it.
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I find booze and speed to be a really good combo. You get rid of the sloppiness of the alcohol, and it takes the edge off the speed.

BTW, can anyone tell me what are good oral and insuffulation doses to do? To get a good buzz on but not be completely fucked. Got some people whom I study with rocking up, so would rather not give off a completely drug fucked vibe. LOL. save that for later in the night;)
 
sorry to bombard with questions. When it comes to amphetamines I'm still kinda inexperienced (well not with MDMA).

but also, how severe a comedown is to be expected off a point? I don't have shit to do on sunday, and can probably skip monday at uni. but I do get quite anxious about somantic sensations when I comedown (ie. heart rate). I will probably be getting hold of some xanax - so that should be all good for that?

Also: if i am still spun, how successful is stilnox in knocking you right out?

One last question: would it be a good idea to start a bit earlier than the party starts? Say have a small burn? Normally I would hold off. but my girlfriend doesn't use any drugs other than weed and booze so I don't think she will manage being dragged around partying til midday sunday.

sorry for all the questions. been a bit of a stress head as of late.
 
but also, how severe a comedown is to be expected off a point? I don't have shit to do on sunday, and can probably skip monday at uni. but I do get quite anxious about somantic sensations when I comedown (ie. heart rate). I will probably be getting hold of some xanax - so that should be all good for that?
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Everyone is different, but i wouldn't expect much of a comedown off a point. To be perfectly honest, unless it is absolutely BANGIN i think you'll be fiending for more within a few hours of your first dose. You must remember, lack of food and sleep deprivation are major factors in a comedown. You are obviously going to feel worse if you not only deplete your neurotransmitters, but also deny your body of rest and energy.

You'll struggle to sleep if its any good, but proper eating throughout the night is vital, whether it be fruit/cereal/up&go, whatever works.

Xanax will do the trick when it comes time to rest, just don't be premature with it. You have it too early and all it will do is mellow out the whole experience, it won't knock you out.

Also: if i am still spun, how successful is stilnox in knocking you right out?
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Haven't tried it, but see above re: xanax, i imagine the same will apply.

One last question: would it be a good idea to start a bit earlier than the party starts? Say have a small burn? Normally I would hold off. but my girlfriend doesn't use any drugs other than weed and booze so I don't think she will manage being dragged around partying til midday sunday.
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Once you start, you won't stop. I can guarantee this. Only start when you are ready to keep hitting it every hour or so. If you want to be up for a while, i'd wait until later in the night when you're feeling drowsy and then hit it.

All of the above is subjective, im merely offering commentary on what has worked for me, im sure others here will have had different experiences and can offer alternatives.

Hope this helps.
 
You've had speed before, gear is not much different, at all.

If you have only one mere point, then smoking it is likely to lead to disappointment for a variety of reasons esp if you haven't mastered using a pipe, just snort it in a line or two.

One point should give minimal comedown, and yes xanax is king for the comedown.

Don't have stilnox after the gear it might send you loopy for a while. Stilnox has enough problems with sleepwalking etc as it is without gear on top.

Happy bday, have fun.
 
psytaco said:
sorry to bombard with questions. When it comes to amphetamines I'm still kinda inexperienced (well not with MDMA).

but also, how severe a comedown is to be expected off a point? I don't have shit to do on sunday, and can probably skip monday at uni. but I do get quite anxious about somantic sensations when I comedown (ie. heart rate). I will probably be getting hold of some xanax - so that should be all good for that?

Also: if i am still spun, how successful is stilnox in knocking you right out?

One last question: would it be a good idea to start a bit earlier than the party starts? Say have a small burn? Normally I would hold off. but my girlfriend doesn't use any drugs other than weed and booze so I don't think she will manage being dragged around partying til midday sunday.

sorry for all the questions. been a bit of a stress head as of late.
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First off - Happy Birthday - and nice way to celebrate too :)

To get the most out of what you've got i would

1. Over the course of the day load up on Ural (urinary alkalizer sold at your pharmacy)...if you dont wanna fork out the $$$ then you can go bicarb soda (do 1 teaspoon every 30 mins n the 2 hours prior to crystal consumption..be warned IT TASTES TERRIBLE)...also pop a zantac or two if you have them on hand (optional)

2. Stay away from spicy/acidic foods & beverages all day - no OJ or Coke (the drink)

3. About 30mins prior to party time - put 1/3 of your gear in regular sized glass of WATER or other NON ACIDIC BEVERAGE - NON ACIDIC - i cant stress this enough. Chug that back - it should taste like horrid chemicals that remind you of dead ants coated in fly spray.

4. Then immediately rack up another one third of your gear - - i suggest covering it with a $$ note when you go the initial crush to stop bits flying everywhere - make sure you crush and chop well - big shards burn the SHIT out of your throat on the post nasal drip and you end up with ulcers back there. SNORT SNORT SNORT.

If you have timed this right your guests should now be arriving and you will be feeling pretty chatty and perky...bask in the glory of your awesomeness in knowing you are the life of the party (and in the knowledge that you still have 1/3 of this magical stuff remaining)

5. When you notice things aren't as good as they were before, maybe you're getting a bit sketchy or annoyed at little things or you find people incredibly annoying - ITS TIME TO REDOSE. - Excuse yourself and consume the remaining 1/3 of your gear. I'll leave the method up to you based on prevailing circumstances.

Enjoy

OTHER ADVICE

A) DO NOT SMOKE IT - especially before hand - you'll spend your entire party locked away by yourself twirling the pipe. Not a great way to spend your birthday..Plus the high isnt that great...thats why you always want just one more.. In fact, with the amount of stuff you have you'll prbly blast through it within 30mins and spend the rest of the night on the phone chasing up some more.

B) Shards + Small doses of Xanax are actually quite nice in combo --> you don't have to wait till you're in the 7th circle of hell (a.k.a the comedown) to pop your benzo. I find that once the initial euphoria is over, popping 0.25-0.5 mgs of Xanax is a very pleasurable experience...it wont make you too drowsy so you wont nod off allowing you to fully appreciate the benzo high. (Warning - staying awake on Xanax can result in serious Kleptomania in susceptible individuals - apparently you lose your ability to distinguish right and wrong)

C) DONT STRESS or go into it with to higher expectations, you'll only be disappointed. Keep in mind the effect that your mental state has on the over all drug experience - remember meth is a stimulant - provoking (in part) a norepinephrine response from your body - if your body is already stressed out, you're gonna be overloaded on this stuff already and therefore not have the necessary reserves for the meth to release...ergo - less intense drug experience.

Phew..think thats about it from me. I really should find something better to do with my friday nights..lol...are there any ladies out there browsing bluelight forums?? If it wasn't obvious from my post..Im available. HAHAHA. :P
 
First time I had 'ice', I snorted half a point and it kept me going all night, felt like a strong amp high, bursting with energy/very sociable.

Some of my friends had it their first time too that same night (this is a few years back) and 12 - 16 hours later back at a mates place after a ridiculous amount of cones smoked, sleep was nowhere in sight so benzos are a good idea.

If you were going to go the snorting method, I'd recommend splitting it into 2 half point lines to have when you feel like it. Or you could even split it into 4 'bumps' and just keep a subtle high going all night. Depends on the quality.
 
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