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Opioids hi everyone - opiate question....

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ortijx37

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Hello all,
I've used this site many many times to research important answers to my questions since I ventured into the heaven and hell world of opiate abuse. It's clear that there are a wealth of intelligent individuals who belong to the community and I now look forward to being able to communicate with you.
How i arrived here: i was always just a beer and pot guy for years, until about 2 years ago i met Oxycodone (and to a lesser degree hydro). I was kind of bored with alchohol and had quit pot. It was simple - a couple of chronically ill co-workers of mine started offering to sell me their prescriptions of hydrocodone. It was fine at first - my wife and i would enjoy mellow weekends popping vicodin and enjoyed not drinking anymore! Made us feel the way you wish you could always feel. As time marched on and tolerance built up i found a connection for oxy - you know how it inevitably goes from there.

Here is where I am: i worked myself up to a habit of 400-480 mg of oxy a day (OC 80's 60's 40's etc...) with hydro's mixed in as well. I'm in quite a bit of debt and cant do this anymore - at least not everyday like i have been for the past 2 years. I've never broken the law, never done heroin, and never injected anything. Typical day would start with taking tagament, waiting an hour then crushing and swallowing about 120mg of OC, waiting 30 mins then snorting another 60mg. From there would snort another 40-60 mgs every 2 to 3 hours til the day ends. (this would be on the weekend obviously, i work full time - during work days it starts after work). Like i said, i couldn't continue this so.....

3 days ago i checked into a methadone clinic. It's been tough - day one they only gave me 20mg methadone - like spittin on a forest fire. Bad withdrawls, i've been wanting to rip myself into pieces. they then bumped me up to 30mg for the weekend - the withdrawls are better but i am craving soooo bad.

Here's my dilemma - in a couple of days i will be re-filled on oxy and hydro (i have scripts from a doc who is tapering me down) i dont think i will be disciplined enough to say no to them, especially after only a few days on methadone....will oxy still get me high after taking metadone for 4 days at a rate of 20, 30, 30, 40 ? If anyone has any insight, please share - thank you!
 
first off, you shouldn't go on methadone unless ur expecting to be on it for the rest of your life, cuz from what i hear, its virtually impossible to wean off of without feeling like shit.

if you want to quite, go on suboxone/subutex

and im not positive but there is a point with methadone where it will and will not block other opiates, it might be 30mg, not sure though.

others who are experienced wit 'done will define that for you

dont think about weanin with oxy though, wont work unless you have no desire to get high, and who doesn't want to be high.
 
you never broke the law?

also if your dose was 480mg you would def b high.......
 
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^^he will def be high from the methadone?

cuz IF you are talkin about oxy, tolerance is tolerance, dont matter how high ur dose is, if you're used to it, you wont get high
 
he was talking about oxy bro, and i said if his tolerance was 480, then yes 480mg will still get him high.....
 
well, never broke the law in pursuit of my habit lol. I've researched suboxone and from what i see it tends to provide better results for those who have a lesser habit than my own.....i know that i have put my self in a position where it is going to take a while for me to feel like my old self again because no doubt my brain's chemistry has been damaged some - i have tried cold turkey and i know i cant do that. When i did, i did all i could to stop the pain......bottom line, getting on methadone is the very first time i have made any effort to help myself
 
suboxone had worked wonders for me...... and i was using heroin.

you broke the law buying others scripts, man.....
 
yeah, i was talking about oxy. Will taking say 240mg oxy on tue night after having had 40 mg of methadone bright and early that morning - will i get off?
 
point taken skag - i tend to forget that - i guess i meant more in the fashion of doing family and friends or strangers wrong - ya know?
 
Gettin on done is a step in the right direction, but if you don't stick with it it wont work. Some people just end up using the done when they can't afford their opiates so they don't get sick, and that's not beating addiction by any means. Once you get stabalized on about 80mg or more, the done starts to 'block' opiate effects much more. If you took your normal oxy dose on top of 30mg of done, you'd probally just get higher as they're both full agonists... If you're already still craving the oxy I think suboxone would be a better choice for you. It stops you from w/ds from very tiny doses (.5mg) and lasts a loooong time, thus how it is good at blocking the high from opiates and cravings. Also with subs you dont have to drive to a shitty clinic every morning!
 
georgie - i'm going to give methadone a chance - right now the shitty clinic has me on such a low dose to start i feel like i have no choice but to get my refills of oxy in a couple days, once that's gone, nothing but methadone and my best effort. Do you think 80mg of done will stabilize me given my habit size? Thanks for the reply - that's the kind of feedback i can use...
 
lol haha

also id really look into bupe.... might be much easier and faster to get completely opiate free....
 
ortijx37 said:
georgie - i'm going to give methadone a chance - right now the shitty clinic has me on such a low dose to start i feel like i have no choice but to get my refills of oxy in a couple days, once that's gone, nothing but methadone and my best effort. Do you think 80mg of done will stabilize me given my habit size? Thanks for the reply - that's the kind of feedback i can use...
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I think 80mg's would def make you feel a lot better and get you out of withdrawals, but you may need more than that to stop the cravings. Just remember that done' withdraws are much worse and longer lasting than the oxy w/ds themselves.
 
OP, I'm confused....what is it you are ultimately trying to do? In your first post, you admitted you could not keep going with the OC habit, so you went with MMT. Good first step, but then you're asking if 240mg OC is going to "get you off". If you are looking to still get high, forget methadone - it won't do that, once you've gotten stable on it. If your aim is to get off, I would just chuck methadone, it isn't meant for that.

If you are serious about getting back on track, you need to get rid of the OC's and just work toward stablizing on the 'done. It's one or the other - geting high or getting stable. You can't do both, trust me I've tried.

Again, apologies if I am putting words in your mouth here, not my intent, it just seems like you are working toward cross-purposes.
 
if you want to stabalize- methadone (or suboxone

if you want to quite- suboxone is your only option besides weaning, and we all know how that goes
 
Methadone should only be opted for if you want to take your DOC every day for a long time. It will lose its magic like any other opiate, though I have to say the "aura" of it remains for a surprisingly long time into treatment (years)...

You have to decide what it is that you want to do. If you want a quicker detox period and then to live clean, or at least not addicted, then Suboxone is really a great drug for this. It is not quite the behemoth that methadone is, and will not give you "liquid cuffs" like methadone is known for. Suboxone can also be used long-term, but many people find that the small amount of effects that you get when on Sub maintenance is so small as to be almost non-existent. I personally have been able to enjoy that slight effect when I took my daily Suboxone, but the effects were nowhere near as strong as taking methadone daily.

Essentially, as it is said above, decide what you want to do and then go for one of the maintenance drugs (whichever suits your needs more)...
 
Yea, it seems to me that you have not quite gotten to that point in your addiction where you have the willpower or the motivation to actually commit to quitting your oxy addiction. I think you are aware of how detrimental it is to your life(and your pocketbook) and are starting to look into ways of taking care of this "mess" so to speak.
Like you said, I think that when you get your prescriptions refilled you will start taking all your oxy again, and yes it will get you high, it just wont be as effective because of the methadone. Like Pegasus said, you need to decide what you want to do. If you feel like your just not ready(havent hit rock bottom like some people need to) to quit the oxy, then my advice to you is to do your best at tapering your oxy dose down as low as you can. You can do this by taking just enough oxy each day to where your not that sick, and then over time, your tolerance will lower, and then you can lower your dose again to where your still not really sick but also not getting high....and keep on this track until you have the oxy use under control again.....and then from there you can try to quit, or maybe just maintain at a smaller oxy dose(but like you probably allready know, you will more than likely end up back where you started taking massive doses).
So I would look into your options as far as how to get completely clean as I dont see how your addiction is benefiting you and you seem to be allready wanting to get rid of this addiction. You should look into suboxone like Pegasus mentioned...I know from personal experience that can be very helpful, and there is tons of info about it on BL allready. You could try just staying methdone.....or you could try soem form of inpatient detox and rehabilitation....there are many options for you to look into. I reccommend you do all the research you can and make the right choice for you and go with it.
Good luck, I hope all goes well for you.
 
ortijix, thats quite the jabit friend. like another member pointed out the see-saw of using Done and your Oxy will do nothing more than get you through the w/ds youll definitly get when you run out. its also worth repeating, as another member suggests, to look into bupe (suboxone). besides working better on w/ds ( in my opioion) you could also snort a small amount which will give you a euphoric high and most likely help you forget the intense cravings for you DOC.
just a thought

- I meant habit-
 
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