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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010
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^ i know this is kinda off topic but Im intrested. Why did you enjoy smoking over Snorting, Im guessing faster Speed of the high coming on. And if this isn't why what was it. and were you ever using heroin IV ... and if so what does smoking it have over shooting it.
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I brought up the strips to my Dr. the other day, and I wasn't sure how'd he act. He has always been a big fan of the here to help program, ran by R&B.
He acts different everytime I see him, he actually yelled at me a few weeks ago, but the next time I saw him he acted like nothing happened. Then I mentioned the strips and he said he's not scripting them because they are a scam. I told him I got an email from here to help and mr dr said the whole program was set up as a scam!
Then he gave me anothr suboxone script? Hmm......
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Has this happened to anyone else?
Back when I first started taking suboxone, and had no opiate tolerance I would take 4mg and end up being wrecked beyond belief. If it was a full agonist I would've od'ed without question. Several times the skin would burn off my face, as if I got sunburnt. Although opiates can cause itching, it leterally burnt the skin off, so it would peel?
Anyone else ever experience this? The other day I did a half gram of dope myself, for the first time in a long while and it did the same thing
He acts different everytime I see him, he actually yelled at me a few weeks ago, but the next time I saw him he acted like nothing happened. Then I mentioned the strips and he said he's not scripting them because they are a scam. I told him I got an email from here to help and mr dr said the whole program was set up as a scam!
Then he gave me anothr suboxone script? Hmm......
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Has this happened to anyone else?
Back when I first started taking suboxone, and had no opiate tolerance I would take 4mg and end up being wrecked beyond belief. If it was a full agonist I would've od'ed without question. Several times the skin would burn off my face, as if I got sunburnt. Although opiates can cause itching, it leterally burnt the skin off, so it would peel?
Anyone else ever experience this? The other day I did a half gram of dope myself, for the first time in a long while and it did the same thing
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SkagKush
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i could always get far higher smoking my dope, aswell in Vancouver you either smoke it, or mainline.
i only ever snorted dope the first two or three times i tried it.....
as for the needle, ive only shot once, im not a big fan of needles, (im sure i would be), but i got a gf who would leave me, and i was already so addicted. to alcohol and benzos and opiates that it wasnt worth it to take the plunge that much deeper... ya know?
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Just a general question, do you feel any difference between Subutex and Buprenotex ?
Yes - both contain just Buprenorphine but the fillers and such sometimes plays a part.
Maybe a better word is which of the two do YOU prefer?
Im not sure if I do, Buprenotex 8mg is much smaller in volume than Subutex 8mg so for those who slam Buprenotex should be excellent. A little harder to dose if you snort because of their small size though 2mg/4mg and such are pretty easy but if you want down to 1mg.. its so little powder.
Picture:
http://www.123minsida.se/picture.aspx?id=34903507
Picture (Suboxone blister to the left and Buprenotex blister to the right)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kaynovak5/DSC00487.jpg
Yes - both contain just Buprenorphine but the fillers and such sometimes plays a part.
Maybe a better word is which of the two do YOU prefer?
Im not sure if I do, Buprenotex 8mg is much smaller in volume than Subutex 8mg so for those who slam Buprenotex should be excellent. A little harder to dose if you snort because of their small size though 2mg/4mg and such are pretty easy but if you want down to 1mg.. its so little powder.
Picture:
http://www.123minsida.se/picture.aspx?id=34903507
Picture (Suboxone blister to the left and Buprenotex blister to the right)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/kaynovak5/DSC00487.jpg
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Captain.Heroin
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You would think so? But no.
With heroin, I would get a really nice long peak and overall high with snorting it. I preferred the 3-4 hour long plateau.
When I tried shooting it, the high was amazing for 15-30 seconds, and the high did last about 1-2 hours, but I found that with IV use, you'll go through a lot more heroin since peaking is often what heroin addicts are "chasing" so to speak.
Also, if you didn't put enough in one shot, it almost seemed wasted (without a rush, the high afterwards did not seem to be as enjoyable) whereas with snorting doses, I would always get desired effects, even if I wasn't nodding out.
I have never heard of or seen "Buprenotex" so thanks for sharing!
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Suboxone Breakthrough Experience
I'm posting this as my personal experience with getting high from oxycontin IR while on suboxone. This particular experience surprised me and goes against most of the accepted information regarding how long is necessary to wait until you can get high on another opiate.
Personal Info: I am 5' 11" 145lbs, very fast metabolism (difficult to gain weight and my body seems to process all chemicals faster than most people), I've been taking 3mg bupe intravenously every 24 hours for the past two weeks, I've been on suboxone for 8 months, I do an alcohol extraction on my suboxone before injecting for the past two weeks (I like the feeling better, it supposedly removes the naloxone but that chemical also supposedly has no effect in the amounts that are present in an 8mg sub, this better feeling may be placebo)
Past Experience: I tried shooting 45mg oxy IR about 9 hours after my suboxone dose, this was before I was doing the alcohol extraction, I had absolutely no effects and it was a complete waste. Normally if I wait 24 hours I can get high from an 80mg shot, so this was just dumb all around.
This Experience: I shot 120mg oxy IR 7.5 hours after doing my 3mg suboxone shot, I wasn't expecting much if anything but I justified it as an experiment and figured if nothing happened I could do another shot with the remaining oxy and get high in the morning. Anyway I was pleasantly surprised because I did feel the shot and pretty well at that, it didn't feel like the full 120mg shot, I would say it felt like an 80mg shot instead. I was happy to feel anything however and immediately thought of sharing this information as I spent a lot of time prior to doing this researching the likelihood that I could breakthrough with a shot. I believe my metabolism and the high dose is what allowed it, but even so 7.5 hours is an incredibly short time to wait and still get high, I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.
I'm posting this as my personal experience with getting high from oxycontin IR while on suboxone. This particular experience surprised me and goes against most of the accepted information regarding how long is necessary to wait until you can get high on another opiate.
Personal Info: I am 5' 11" 145lbs, very fast metabolism (difficult to gain weight and my body seems to process all chemicals faster than most people), I've been taking 3mg bupe intravenously every 24 hours for the past two weeks, I've been on suboxone for 8 months, I do an alcohol extraction on my suboxone before injecting for the past two weeks (I like the feeling better, it supposedly removes the naloxone but that chemical also supposedly has no effect in the amounts that are present in an 8mg sub, this better feeling may be placebo)
Past Experience: I tried shooting 45mg oxy IR about 9 hours after my suboxone dose, this was before I was doing the alcohol extraction, I had absolutely no effects and it was a complete waste. Normally if I wait 24 hours I can get high from an 80mg shot, so this was just dumb all around.
This Experience: I shot 120mg oxy IR 7.5 hours after doing my 3mg suboxone shot, I wasn't expecting much if anything but I justified it as an experiment and figured if nothing happened I could do another shot with the remaining oxy and get high in the morning. Anyway I was pleasantly surprised because I did feel the shot and pretty well at that, it didn't feel like the full 120mg shot, I would say it felt like an 80mg shot instead. I was happy to feel anything however and immediately thought of sharing this information as I spent a lot of time prior to doing this researching the likelihood that I could breakthrough with a shot. I believe my metabolism and the high dose is what allowed it, but even so 7.5 hours is an incredibly short time to wait and still get high, I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.
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^Yes be very careful. I thought about closing this and advising you to post in trip reports but I think this should be merged into the sub mega thread, that place gets more traffic then just about any thread around.
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^why exactly are you adjusting for BA for snorting? Since you don't adjust for theBA of whatever ROA you use daily I'm guessing its IV?
Regardless, my answer is the same... when you tried 1 opioid dose for the first time did your tolerance go up immediately after that? Its the same for this... if you do it once, its not going to make a difference... if you do it more it could and if you keep trying to chase a high you'll either fuck up your tolerance or exacerbate cravings so maybe sub won't be enough and you start thinking about "how long of a break will i need to get high off Xmg of X full agonist?"
I'm just saying it could be a slippery slope if you aren't careful so really is .25-.5mg intranasal bupe (adjusted for BA) worth ending up in the gutter ODing on fent laced heroin you had to give 6 blow jobs to get... that's right the dope has made you so ugly you have to give SIX just to afford 3 bags, you used to only need to give one but 7 years on the street shooting dope isn't a way to maintain those boyish good looks now is it... worth it? yeah? fuck it, just do it.
Obviously I'm being wildly hyperbolic... yeah. i AM that bored
Regardless, my answer is the same... when you tried 1 opioid dose for the first time did your tolerance go up immediately after that? Its the same for this... if you do it once, its not going to make a difference... if you do it more it could and if you keep trying to chase a high you'll either fuck up your tolerance or exacerbate cravings so maybe sub won't be enough and you start thinking about "how long of a break will i need to get high off Xmg of X full agonist?"
I'm just saying it could be a slippery slope if you aren't careful so really is .25-.5mg intranasal bupe (adjusted for BA) worth ending up in the gutter ODing on fent laced heroin you had to give 6 blow jobs to get... that's right the dope has made you so ugly you have to give SIX just to afford 3 bags, you used to only need to give one but 7 years on the street shooting dope isn't a way to maintain those boyish good looks now is it... worth it? yeah? fuck it, just do it.
Obviously I'm being wildly hyperbolic... yeah. i AM that bored
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When I used to do 2kg of poppy seed wash and get fucked up beyond belief for 2 days at a time the skin on my cheeks and nose would peel off. I assume it is because it dries your skin out something chronic, that and you are constantly rubbing your face from it being itchy.
Captain.Heroin
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In my experience, as long as you don't use an excessive amount of buprenorphine, or full agonist opiates, your tolerance to buprenorphine itself should stay roughly the same.
If you take a large enough dose, consistently/daily, then it will eventually raise your tolerance. But as a one time thing, you should be in the clear.
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I'm just around 1 mg of Suboxone. Just like needles are addicted to the preparer, am I addicted to my ROA as well. However my ritual is rectally. I must say that there is a huge increase in good vibes (euphoria if you want t call it that). I can go all day on one dose but on occasion I will dose in the afternoon (if it is before 3 pm) if the effects are feeling very thin.
I must admit that I many use subs to get from opiate prescription to opiate prescription. I am a chronic pain patient (10 years and counting) that is under-dosed. When I am on my normal pain meds, I am not looking for total relief. That's a pipe dream. I'm simply looking to move my 7-8 pain to 4-5 pain. The best the doctor ever gets me to is around 6, at best.
His comment is always the same "Well, remember; You're never going to be pain free."
Yeah, not shit. But I'd at least like to play with my kids or mow my own lawn.
I must admit that I many use subs to get from opiate prescription to opiate prescription. I am a chronic pain patient (10 years and counting) that is under-dosed. When I am on my normal pain meds, I am not looking for total relief. That's a pipe dream. I'm simply looking to move my 7-8 pain to 4-5 pain. The best the doctor ever gets me to is around 6, at best.
His comment is always the same "Well, remember; You're never going to be pain free."
Yeah, not shit. But I'd at least like to play with my kids or mow my own lawn.
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