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Fucked up back - painkillers

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BIGsherm7272 said:
Too bad your not in the US, pain clinics will hand out opioids like candy if you have legitimate back pain.
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Maybe where you live, but I had a hell of a time when I had to wait on surgery for 4 months last year. They drug tested me every time, quizzed me on my usage and overall were very strict about dispensing them.

The doc even tried to push Tramadol instead of LT10s 4x daily (which barely cut through the pain). This was actual legitimate use, not fun use :(
 
Oh, one more thing - I pulled my back out awhile back, and the doc said that the newer protocols for that are 3 days of LT 7.5s and 2 weeks of Flexeril or some equivalent. That's what I got and actually the Flexeril was way more effective than the narcotics on that type of pain. I mean, when I was taking the narcotics I couldn't feel anything of course, but Flexeril was more effective in dealing with the muscle pain. And the docs like it because it's not a narcotic.
 
nashuser said:
Maybe where you live, but I had a hell of a time when I had to wait on surgery for 4 months last year. They drug tested me every time, quizzed me on my usage and overall were very strict about dispensing them.

The doc even tried to push Tramadol instead of LT10s 4x daily (which barely cut through the pain). This was actual legitimate use, not fun use :(
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Pain docs are funny. Some are strict as hell and others are great. And this applies to all states, not just FL. Actually the best doc. I ever saw was not in FL, at all. He scripted 60 OC 80s and 180 Roxy 30's/month. And then gave 3 months scripts at a time, one current and 2 post dated. When I started with my current doc, he said no way in hell was he going to script that amt, and he hasn't.
I got popped on a damn UA, or I would still be at the former doc. Damn, I'm stupid.

But one need to ask around, before going to a clinic. I knew 2 years in advance that I wanted to see that first doc., before I was able to work my way in. Research pays off if your looking for big scripts.

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Pchild said:
Pain docs are funny. Some are strict as hell and others are great. And this applies to all states, not just FL. Actually the best doc. I ever saw was not in FL, at all. He scripted 60 OC 80s and 180 Roxy 30's/month. And then gave 3 months scripts at a time, one current and 2 post dated. When I started with my current doc, he said no way in hell was he going to script that amt, and he hasn't.
I got popped on a damn UA, or I would still be at the former doc. Damn, I'm stupid.

But one need to ask around, before going to a clinic. I knew 2 years in advance that I wanted to see that first doc., before I was able to work my way in. Research pays off if your looking for big scripts.

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Wow that's some heavy duty stuff! I had to provide an MRI, CT scan and notes from the orthopedic surgeon before he would even see me. He also wouldn't go up to Percocet or Oxy at all and when I asked he was pretty mean about it. He reminded me that his goal wasn't to completely take away my pain, just make it bearable. Bullshit.

His receptionist/nurse was really nice though. Without her I'd have gone elsewhere. But alas, it's over with and now I can't get anything when I want to! lol, I guess that's how it works.
 
As far as having to be old to fuck up your back...not true. I was in a car accident when I was 18 that left me with 2 herniated discs...got in another car wreck 2 years later...and 3 years after that I had back surgery. I bent over to pick something up...and couldn't straighten out. Turns out my discs had started to crumble apart.

As far as tramadol...it is a bullshit drug. I have been given it by the "voodoo" clinic (which is what we call the campus clinic here due to the fact they are all retarded). Toradol doesn't do shit either.

If you can't get hydrocodone...and your back is chronically in pain...make an appt with a doc. They should be able to get you something that WILL work...just tell them the tramadols aren't working.

I was on Percocet, Flexeril, Fentanyl patches, and Lortab post back surgery...after coming off 2 week morphine drip (got a staph infection post surgery and had to have surgery again).

My 3 year old recently decided she wanted to body slam me....ON my back...and I am waiting to get in to my neuro. In the mean time...I am forced to just take whatever I can get my hands on...and since I have such a high tolerance...that means ALOT.
 
rckrchik85 said:
As far as tramadol...it is a bullshit drug. I have been given it by the "voodoo" clinic (which is what we call the campus clinic here due to the fact they are all retarded). Toradol doesn't do shit either.
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Totally agree. It helped with mild pain post hip surgery for me, like if I over did it at rehab or something, but for real pain this drug is complete bullshit. It's closely related to SSRI anti-depressants, of which, some actually help a bit with pain. However, I refuse to take it again, because a dose which actually helps is at risk for seizures, which would be no fun.
 
Oh, and when people say that Tramadol is non-narcotic, they're full of shit too. It's actually a weak opiate agonist on the mu opoid receptor. It's combined with norepinephrine reuptake inhibition and a serotonin release. It is metabolized down in the liver to morphine (at least a portion of it is), but it works like shit.
 
Pchild said:
Well yesterday I said it would not survive legal challenge, but now I'm not so sure. Because it ONLY effects the script fills at the doctors office. Of course, Florida is the only state I know that has the "one stop shopping" for meds. And I can say my pharmacist is thrilled about the crackdown. He said they have just been exploiting a loophole, and it's finally closed.

Whether it will help is up for debate. I think they are going to continue to lay heat to the clinics. My doc. don't see ANY out of state patients and then only sees patients that live within a certain mileage of the clinic. Plus you must have a FL ID.

Things like this will make it a little more stressful to make just a "road trip" for meds. He thinks this will be mandated to all clinics soon. He's probably right. Time will tell, though.

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It may actually survive legal challenge. I am hoping this will help legitimate patients in the long run. I know people that can't get pain meds because of how it is here. That's just pathetic when a person in pain can't get help. :(
 
nashuser said:
Wow that's some heavy duty stuff! I had to provide an MRI, CT scan and notes from the orthopedic surgeon before he would even see me. He also wouldn't go up to Percocet or Oxy at all and when I asked he was pretty mean about it. He reminded me that his goal wasn't to completely take away my pain, just make it bearable. Bullshit.

His receptionist/nurse was really nice though. Without her I'd have gone elsewhere. But alas, it's over with and now I can't get anything when I want to! lol, I guess that's how it works.
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Yeah, the very first pain doc. I ever saw liked to kill me with a lumbar injection. THEN, I had to ASK for meds. He scripted me like 15 Lortab 7.5s. And then said don't take these unless you can't stand it. Said to myself, I'm done with this asshole.

And I had a friend, an older gentleman with terminal oral cancer. And would you believe his doc. scripted Darvocet up until 1 month before he died. Then gave him 30mg morphine IR. That fucker should be shot. That's just cruel.
 
Yeah...When I had surgery...I had the BEST neuro ever...was totally sympathetic...never gave me the minimal...but always the max (because I didn't abuse the scripts).

Now...fast forward 2 years post op...and having to possibly face a level 4 spinal fusion...I go to the doctor at the "voodoo" clinic and explain the situation to him...tell him the WHOLE story. From beginning to now. Explain to him that I have an appointment on Oct 28th with my neuro and need something to get me through until I see my doc. (My doc can't prescribe meds to me until he sees me since its been 2 years). This dumbass hands me flexeril. (Which...is great for muscle pains...he says. DUH ITS A MUSCLE RELAXER YOU IDIOT!) I tell him it probably won't help since this is a BONE issue (I also have degenerative disc disease). SO...he hands me a script for Relafen on top of the flexeril. I called him two days later and said...this isn't working...he says he will call me in something else. I get to the pharmacy...and its freaking toradol.

What I don't understand is...he requested my records from my neuro...can SEE I have issues and a follow up appointment...and he basically blows me off.

I am about to just pay out of my own pocket to start seeing a pain management doc. F-these retarded "graduated at the bottom of the class" doctors. I swear to you...they all ended up in this town.
 
rckrchik85 said:
Yeah...When I had surgery...I had the BEST neuro ever...was totally sympathetic...never gave me the minimal...but always the max (because I didn't abuse the scripts).

Now...fast forward 2 years post op...and having to possibly face a level 4 spinal fusion...I go to the doctor at the "voodoo" clinic and explain the situation to him...tell him the WHOLE story. From beginning to now. Explain to him that I have an appointment on Oct 28th with my neuro and need something to get me through until I see my doc. (My doc can't prescribe meds to me until he sees me since its been 2 years). This dumbass hands me flexeril. (Which...is great for muscle pains...he says. DUH ITS A MUSCLE RELAXER YOU IDIOT!) I tell him it probably won't help since this is a BONE issue (I also have degenerative disc disease). SO...he hands me a script for Relafen on top of the flexeril. I called him two days later and said...this isn't working...he says he will call me in something else. I get to the pharmacy...and its freaking toradol.

What I don't understand is...he requested my records from my neuro...can SEE I have issues and a follow up appointment...and he basically blows me off.

I am about to just pay out of my own pocket to start seeing a pain management doc. F-these retarded "graduated at the bottom of the class" doctors. I swear to you...they all ended up in this town.
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Lol, it's frustrating, that's for sure. You just need to go to a Pain Management clinic and get appropriate help. More expensive, but you'll get what you need.
 
I live in florida and am perscribed opietes and there is no law that states doctors can only script people a 3 day supply of pain meds. lol T
hough the part about doctors sueing the state over othe narcotic policies is true.
 
phenethylo J said:
I live in florida and am perscribed opietes and there is no law that states doctors can only script people a 3 day supply of pain meds. lol T
hough the part about doctors sueing the state over othe narcotic policies is true.
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You are misinformed. Cash paying patients can now only get a 3 day supply.
 
phenethylo J said:
I live in florida and am perscribed opietes and there is no law that states doctors can only script people a 3 day supply of pain meds. lol T
hough the part about doctors sueing the state over othe narcotic policies is true.
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Wrong, my friend. If you don't believe me, wait until your next visit. Mine was today, and I was enlightened immensely.
And this has all happened since last month, I think probably starting Oct. 1st.

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Does that just effect pain managment clinics or all doctors officies perscribing pain meds? I just looked some shit up and from what I read it seemed to only affect pain managment clinics that directly dispence pain pills.
I get my persriptions from a regular doctors office. I have issues with severe chronic pain and I will take this shit to fucking court if I have to go my doctors office and pharmacy every three fucking days for my medicine I need to take in order to function.
With all the fucking shit I'm going through with my multiple health problems this is the last shit I need. :X
Do you have a link to a copy of the actual bill.
 
phenethylo J said:
Does that just effect pain managment clinics or all doctors officies perscribing pain meds? I just looked some shit up and from what I read it seemed to only affect pain managment clinics that directly dispence pain pills.
I get my persriptions from a regular doctors office. I have issues with severe chronic pain and I will take this shit to fucking court if I have to go my doctors office and pharmacy every three fucking days for my medicine I need to take in order to function.
With all the fucking shit I'm going through with my multiple health problems this is the last shit I need. :X
Do you have a link to a copy of the actual bill.
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Relax, I think this will explain it.

O.K Here's some more info., I found out today. My doc. appointment was today and I quizzed the pharmacist as well.

The deal on the "3 days" narcotics fill is in effect currently, all over Florida. But it's not for the script. This only applies to patients that fill their script AT the doctor's office. If they use insurance or take the script to a regular pharmacy, this don't apply. So now the doctors offices are no longer filling their own scripts.
 
Psychonauticunt said:
Well the doc told me "you can take one more pill" so that's 37.5mg extra tramadol per day (the original prescription was 3x per day, so that totals at 112.5mg tramadol) . She also told me I can take acetaminophen pills in between, and also combine them with the diclofenac I initially got. I told her that's exactly what I've been doing, but she accused me of "going around in circles" and asking the same thing. What the fuck? The doc gave me advice that was exactly the pain regimen I'd been following for the past week (minus one 37.5mg dose of tramadol, and her idea was to space out 4 pills over one day - I said 3 pills at once did not provide sufficient relief). It's like, "I've been doing exactly what you told me to do. That's why I'm sitting here in fronta you today. IT DOES NOT WORK."

Fuck that, I'm going to a new doctor on Monday, if the pain persists. This is bullshit. I'm not gonna eat handfuls of 37.5/325 tramadol/APAP pills to cure this pain; if the next step is morphine, then give me morphine. Or at least fuckin' stronger trams.

This country also knows no muscle relaxants (no tizanidine, no carisoprodol, nothing) other than benzos, which they won't prescribe 'cause of addictivity.
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Which Country are you from? Are you in Canada?
 
painkiller laws

i have a question does anyone know the laws for getting a perscription filled,Im currently in pain management and I went to get my script filled they said it was to early to refill. due to insurance.Can I just go to a diffrent pharmacy and pay cash not run thru my insurance?Are perscriptions tracked in some big data base?I live in illinois.I have 2 perscriptions from my old pain management dr ,I swithched drs last month and I am currently out of my meds and just wondered if I can take the script to a diffrent pharmacy and get my meds filled.the meds im taking are Norco.Im having surgery at the end of the month.Can someone please answer these questions please.
 
Yes prescriptions are tracked. Controlled substances are payed special attention to. If you're using a legit prescription from your old doctor you should be okay, but state laws very.

Basic Drug Discussion isn't the place for this type of question, I recommend doing a Google search for your state's specific laws and prescribing guidelines.

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