K'd-OUT-in-AZ
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I couldn't help but notice your from Florida...of course you can get pain killers handed out like candy. The rest of the U.S. ...well, we don't get good service.
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I couldn't help but notice your from Florida...of course you can get pain killers handed out like candy. The rest of the U.S. ...well, we don't get good service.
HaHa I thought the same thing. Good 'ol Florida, I love it. It's to OC, as what Afghanistan is to Heroin.
And for anyone else that has experience in Fl clinics. I've been to a couple that I swear is all "Mobbed Up." Completely ran by Italians from doctor to "pharmacist." And ONLY takes cash, period. As many dollars as they make, if not they should be.
Tillianne
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They just passed a law in Florida that patients can now only get a three day supply of any pain medication. I also saw a follow up news story that doctors are suing the state of Florida because of that law because they say they cannot properly take care of their patients now. I wouldn't say it's easy to get drugs in Florida. In fact, I think it is the exact opposite.
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
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I'll believe that when I hear somebody actually from Florida mention that. Who is passing this "law" if Florida is suing? That would mean the feds would have to of done this and they can't make it so just one entire state can prescribe a medication for only 3 days
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That doesn't make any sense to me.Yeah, that's some shit. It hasn't effected me yet. So if it is in effect, it probably being imposed on a county-wide basis. Luckily, I don't go to Dade or Broward, where I have heard this from.
And I don't know if it can withstand legal action. I mean, if you were a doc in these counties, that would be major discrimination.
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No it's CERTAINLY not a federal deal. Certain counties are raising all kinds of hell here in Florida. Some have issued moratoriums whereas no further clinics can be built. A major stink in some counties.
But I will say Florida has a strange loophole whereas you can get you meds. right at the docs office. I think this is what their trying to throw the 3 day limit on, not the script itself. If you fill it at a pharmacy, the 3 day limit wouldn't apply. Still think it won't survive legal challenge.
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No it's CERTAINLY not a federal deal. Certain counties are raising all kinds of hell here in Florida. Some have issued moratoriums whereas no further clinics can be built. A major stink in some counties.
But I will say Florida has a strange loophole whereas you can get you meds. right at the docs office. I think this is what their trying to throw the 3 day limit on, not the script itself. If you fill it at a pharmacy, the 3 day limit wouldn't apply. Still think it won't survive legal challenge.
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Tillianne
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I'll believe that when I hear somebody actually from Florida mention that. Who is passing this "law" if Florida is suing? That would mean the feds would have to of done this and they can't make it so just one entire state can prescribe a medication for only 3 days
I am in Florida. The state passed the law, and doctors are suing the state, as I said in my first post. Here is a link to a story so you can catch up. BTW, I think this law is stupid, and it's only hurting real pain patients.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/24/1840483/federal-lawsuit-challenges-florida.html
The plaintiffs allege the law is discriminatory because it bars patients from getting more than a three-day supply of drugs if they don't have insurance. They also claim it violates free speech rights by limiting clinic advertising.
Other claims are that various provisions are unconstitutionally vague, which could result in doctors being arrested or subjected to administrative penalties for violating the law without even knowing they were covered.
"Rather than provide for rational measures to curb drug abuse and diversion through pill mills, the act instead provides draconian measures that arbitrarily restrict patient access to health care," Fort Lauderdale lawyer Bernard Cassidy wrote.
His clients include Dr. Amy Griswold, a Bradenton physician, and Dr. Bado Pyko, an Altamonte Springs osteopath.
Other plaintiffs are a patient identified only by the initials P.R.A. and the National Pain Institute LLC, owned by Drs. Jeffrey Zipper of Delray Beach, and Dr. Alexander Jungreis of Winter Park. The company also has clinics in Tarpon Springs, Port St. Lucie, Lake Mary, Sand Lake and The Villages.
Zipper said Friday that the biggest problem for group practices is a "guilt by association" provision.
"If I own the clinics and I'm operating different facilities and one of my doctors goes off the reservation and winds up doing drugs and gets in trouble with the law, they close my entire organization down for five years," Zipper said.
Florida has become one of the nation's chief suppliers of prescription drug for illicit use, attracting addicts and drug dealers from across the Southeast, due to lax laws and regulations.
The new law's chief sponsor, Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey, said he's confident it's constitutional. Fasano said the plaintiffs are just trying to protect profits made on the backs of addicts and that they are contributing to overdose deaths.
"This is not motivated by money whatsoever," Zipper responded. He said his clinics are not part of the problem because they don't accept cash payments nor do they sell prescription drugs.
Zipper said the new law goes too far but he supports other efforts to get rid of the pill mills. That includes another law passed last year requiring pain clinics to register with the state, limiting who can prescribe pain medications and setting up an electronic monitoring system for prescription drugs.
The monitoring system has hit a snag, though. A contract appeal by a losing bidder is expected to delay the scheduled Dec. 1 startup by at least a month.
The Legislature also did not fund it. Instead, the state's "drug czar," Bruce Grant, must seek private contributions. Grant this month reported he's more than halfway to his $1 million goal.
Tillianne
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The way I am understanding this, it only applies to patients that pay cash. If the patient has insurance, I am guessing they can go ahead and get their 30 days supply.
Yeah, I agree thats what I read. But my doc ONLY takes cash. He don't give a flying fuck about whether I have insurance, which I do. But the way I figure it, one way or the other, I don't think it will effect me.
I don't think anything that insane will ever pass legal challenge, period.
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Tillianne
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Why doesn't he take insurance? That kinda bothers me, and may be what's causing the problem that lead to trying to pass this ridiculous law.
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
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From what I've read many of the doctors down there mostly only take cash & write scripts like candy. That's just what I've heard
Tillianne
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It must be a trend with pain doctors/clinics then because all the doctors I have seen here do take insurance, and are very cautious about handing out controlled drugs.
BIGsherm7272
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Alot of doctors only take cash down so nothing gets entered into any insurance system, thus making it easier to continue scripting a shit-ton of narcotics, and not have to worry about the insurance companies think something fishy is going on.........It also can be bitch to deal with insurance companies, so I am sure they save money by not taking it. But if they are an actual legitimate pain clinic, then they will take insurance........the only 2 I went to both took insurance, granted the strongest narcotics I got were OC 20's, 10mg percs, and somas........and that was after I had major hip surgery. So it wasn't like I was getting 200+roxis a month with 80mg OC's and xanax.........
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
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^ Just what I've heard. I don't live in FL
There was something on the News about the clinics in Tampa and how some were getting busted. They showed the plates on the cars around the clinics and almost all were from other states. People driving down there to pick up easy scripts. The lady on the news report went up to people coming out and asked what they got ..."Roxicodone with Soma and Xanax...OxyContin with Lorcet...etc.
There was something on the News about the clinics in Tampa and how some were getting busted. They showed the plates on the cars around the clinics and almost all were from other states. People driving down there to pick up easy scripts. The lady on the news report went up to people coming out and asked what they got ..."Roxicodone with Soma and Xanax...OxyContin with Lorcet...etc.
Psychonauticunt
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Well the doc told me "you can take one more pill" so that's 37.5mg extra tramadol per day (the original prescription was 3x per day, so that totals at 112.5mg tramadol) . She also told me I can take acetaminophen pills in between, and also combine them with the diclofenac I initially got. I told her that's exactly what I've been doing, but she accused me of "going around in circles" and asking the same thing. What the fuck? The doc gave me advice that was exactly the pain regimen I'd been following for the past week (minus one 37.5mg dose of tramadol, and her idea was to space out 4 pills over one day - I said 3 pills at once did not provide sufficient relief). It's like, "I've been doing exactly what you told me to do. That's why I'm sitting here in fronta you today. IT DOES NOT WORK."
Fuck that, I'm going to a new doctor on Monday, if the pain persists. This is bullshit. I'm not gonna eat handfuls of 37.5/325 tramadol/APAP pills to cure this pain; if the next step is morphine, then give me morphine. Or at least fuckin' stronger trams.
This country also knows no muscle relaxants (no tizanidine, no carisoprodol, nothing) other than benzos, which they won't prescribe 'cause of addictivity.
Fuck that, I'm going to a new doctor on Monday, if the pain persists. This is bullshit. I'm not gonna eat handfuls of 37.5/325 tramadol/APAP pills to cure this pain; if the next step is morphine, then give me morphine. Or at least fuckin' stronger trams.
This country also knows no muscle relaxants (no tizanidine, no carisoprodol, nothing) other than benzos, which they won't prescribe 'cause of addictivity.
O.K Here's some more info., I found out today. My doc. appointment was today and I quizzed the pharmacist as well.
The deal on the "3 days" narcotics fill is in effect currently, all over Florida. But it's not for the script. This only applies to patients that fill their script AT the doctor's office. If they use insurance or take the script to a regular pharmacy, this don't apply. So now the doctors offices are no longer filling their own scripts.
So the idea is that the out-of-town patients won't be able to fill their scripts at regular pharmacies, due to no IDs, etc. It will provide more headache, but if someone is determined, they can work around it.
Also, the doc says that regulators have also tightened up on them. I don't quite know what this is about, but I do know that 2 clinics have just been closed. A bunch of the patients were at my doctor, today. Fortunately, this doctor is fairly strict, at least by FL standards, so I don't think I will have any problem. I purposely went to him because I knew things would eventually tighten, and they have.
So now good 'ol Florida is slowly getting stricter, for sure. Maybe not quite to the other States', but there probably is some more shit in the pipeline. More info. when I hear something.
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BIGsherm7272
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Yea thats what I figured........wouldn't have affected me anyways cause I have insurance.
Tillianne
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Thanks for letting us know.
I was wondering how this was playing out. I am also wondering if this will be a permanent thing, and if it will really help the problem.
Thanks for letting us know.
I was wondering how this was playing out. I am also wondering if this will be a permanent thing, and if it will really help the problem.
Well yesterday I said it would not survive legal challenge, but now I'm not so sure. Because it ONLY effects the script fills at the doctors office. Of course, Florida is the only state I know that has the "one stop shopping" for meds. And I can say my pharmacist is thrilled about the crackdown. He said they have just been exploiting a loophole, and it's finally closed.
Whether it will help is up for debate. I think they are going to continue to lay heat to the clinics. My doc. don't see ANY out of state patients and then only sees patients that live within a certain mileage of the clinic. Plus you must have a FL ID.
Things like this will make it a little more stressful to make just a "road trip" for meds. He thinks this will be mandated to all clinics soon. He's probably right. Time will tell, though.
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