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The New Powers of the Victorian Police

Democracy discriminates against minorities.

Somebody said on this thread: "Dress like a business man, you've got to be smart when scoring drugs."

Well. fuck that. I'd rather go somewhere where I don't have to wear a suit.
 
I think there is a growing amount of people that are against this sort of goverment shit.

People who are against internet censorship and web logging are pretty much the same types against other loss of freedoms... there really needs to be a concerted effort to get people from all sections of freedom fighters into one group to start taking steps against this shit.

I read heaps of different websites, news comments etc..

As far as i can tell, people fighting against all these new laws seem to be the ones with logical well thought out ideas and arguements, the people that are keen on new laws and more oppression from every direction are always the ones spouting "do-gooders" and "you must be criminals if you want freedoms" and other such ignorant nonsense... to me, they seem very uneducated.
 
In what way?
I see no reason for it to leed to more harsh laws and I don't think it really leeds to populism either. I'd love to see why you think it would.

Because the policies developed would be influenced by the uneducated general public (who I am afraid to say aren't on our side) and by the mass media.
The majority of Australians still support support the death penalty and seem just as prejudiced towards 'junkies'.
 
Unfortunatley were are the in the minority and not the majority and nothing will change.

I hope I am wrong though. Maybe I am just getting old and cynical.

It is fun to have dreadlocks though and not smoke weed. Fucks with their profiling!
 
Because the policies developed would be influenced by the uneducated general public (who I am afraid to say aren't on our side) and by the mass media.
The majority of Australians still support support the death penalty and seem just as prejudiced towards 'junkies'.

I agree that it becomes laws are chosen by the mass's and thus why I think education is the key. If you have a good education across the board and people voting for policies you start to have a true democracy.

I'm training to be a highschool science and maths teacher and yet I don't think they should be taught to people who don't choose them beyond yr 8. Same goes with English and nearly any topic. Provided students ability's are sufficient in such fields then there is no need to teach them further stuff that won't help them unless they choose to go down that chosen career. E.g No need for most people to know Mathematical Calculus and theres also no need for most people to know how to find pursuasive arguments in articles.

This extra time should be used to educate people in greater life skills from drug education to politics.

In reguards to the death penalty, despite the fact I'm a lover not a hater I whole heartadly believe in the death penalty (only for extreme cases). Just today I read an article about a guy in sydney who is been given maximum sentence of 26 years without prohibation for child abuse of over 60 cases youngest being just 18 months old, and to which the judge had described him as evil.
In my eyes he should be executed, not continue to live off of our hard earned tax dollars. People like that should be prosecuted to the full extent, some people are beyond help.

Back to drug discussion... the prejudice towards junkies would cease with education, and even if such prejudices continue, what are they gonna vote against them "If you're an out of control junkie you should be executed" 95% of people would surely have more common sense then that. I am friends with more anti-drug people then pro, but most of them have the point of view that as long they don't interfere with me I don't care what they do.

You're right about the mass media playing a major role which would be exaggerated if the law was run in such a way. But ultimately at the moment they play a similar role but instead we still just vote a party instead of directly having input on what is the outcome. As well as that whilst not common it's also not rare for a party to go back on their word. WTF is that? We citizens vote parties based on their policies and then they have the power to go back on it??? I've given this much thought and I think changes need to happen, sorry for the rant but it's something I'm passionate about and I'm also smashed haha.

<3 you blue light team =)
Party safe ;)
 
I'm training to be a highschool science and maths teacher and yet I don't think they should be taught to people who don't choose them beyond yr 8. Same goes with English and nearly any topic. Provided students ability's are sufficient in such fields then there is no need to teach them further stuff that won't help them unless they choose to go down that chosen career. E.g No need for most people to know Mathematical Calculus and theres also no need for most people to know how to find pursuasive arguments in articles.

This extra time should be used to educate people in greater life skills from drug education to politics.

You only have to look around Bluelight to see how a poor understanding of science would be the worst thing to happen to drug reform. How are you supposed to argue effectively for change if you believe in "holes in the brain" or not understand why taking more pills after 5-6 hours is a bad thing?

I'm all for teaching more life skills in high school but at the expense of maths and science?..... I weep for Australia's future. Next you will tell me it's a good idea to cut sport at school.
 
Graeme Stafford is the perfect example why the death penalty was abolished. He was charge and convicted of murdering a Sunshine Coast schoolgirl and spent 15 years in jail before being found innocent and released earlier this year. Lindy Chamberland is another person trialled by the public whose "crimes" would have had her hung by the public.

I'd hate to think of the horror this poor man went through in jail as a convicted child murderer. The same justice system you are complaining about failing drug users is hardly one I would in trust the death penalty with. 15 years before your release is still better than six feet under and innocent.
 
The other problem with the death penalty for cases of rape (including pedophilia) is then killing the victim afterwards will make no difference in terms of sentence. It would lead to many rapists killing their victims because they believe they have a better chance of not getting caught if they can dispose of the body.
 
That is one of my biggest problems with politics.

How a party can say its going to do something and people vote for them believing that they are going to do it. Then get into power and do a backflip. Sorry cant do that now!

I consider it false advertising at best. If I say I am going to do something and dont then there are reprucussions but not for politicians.
 
Unfortunatley were are the in the minority and not the majority and nothing will change.

I hope I am wrong though. Maybe I am just getting old and cynical.

It is fun to have dreadlocks though and not smoke weed. Fucks with their profiling!

You have dreadlocks and don't smoke weed.....

Mind = blown :p

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Back on topic though, last time I went to country Vic i had to listen to uneducated waffles about how good it is that the police were given these rights.. When I talked back and said it's not a good thing at all, the reply was something along the lines of "if you have nothing to hide it shouldn't matter".

Frustrating.
 
You only have to look around Bluelight to see how a poor understanding of science would be the worst thing to happen to drug reform. How are you supposed to argue effectively for change if you believe in "holes in the brain" or not understand why taking more pills after 5-6 hours is a bad thing?

I'm all for teaching more life skills in high school but at the expense of maths and science?..... I weep for Australia's future. Next you will tell me it's a good idea to cut sport at school.

Firstly I'd never wish to cut sport haha.

I think cutting maths after yr 8 is a good idea, I don't see how anything you learn after that is helpful in almost every career maybe not science but the topics in highschool science should be more related to life. And for those who choose to continue to do maths can as an elective if they believe they have potential for it.

I'm not saying that this is a perfect solution but I do believe it would be an improvement and at least worth trialling. At the moment you have more and more students leaving earlier and I don't blame them because the content is not relelvant enough to their futures and then you have a whole lot of other students who stay through and realise they have learnt very little helpful to them in the past 3-4 years of highschool.
 
Yeah I used to do Maths B which was all matrixs and other tricky shit so I dropped right down to the dumbest maths where all my friends were.

There we were learning about intrest rates, investments, home loans and other stuff like that which I found far more useful. They taught us that when you see sales on stuff like rugs often its normal price. When the rugs first come in the bump up the price by about 800% then slash it by 50% to make it look like a sale.

We also had to do a lot of maze's for some reason. The stoners seemed to do well at mazes.

And why learn about shakesphere for? Kids have a hard enough time knowing real english less old school gibberish english.
 
^yeah but remedial maths and english were like doing grade 8 work, dropping yourself down that maths ladder the further you were through highschool also meant the worse you did in your OP - pending other classes and grades of course and if in fact you were going for an OP (Overall Position, a qld thing, HSC or whatever you southern states call it). we were lucky enough that with out maths classes came seperate business principle classes which made it easier implementing such things into equations along my high school path.

the english shit, i however agree with, i'm a cq'er, what of it? those social studies classes of back in the day didn't do much for me in the scope of HS and aligning where i am currently.

it's a personal path is what i'm really trying to say.
 
I think cutting maths after yr 8 is a good idea, I don't see how anything you learn after that is helpful in almost every career maybe not science but the topics in highschool science should be more related to life. And for those who choose to continue to do maths can as an elective if they believe they have potential for it.

If you think more people are leaving school earlier for long and productive career's then you'll find out the hard way that a basic qualification is less than minimum to succeed in today's society. It gets you a foot in the door but you need to be training until the day you retire otherwise you will be left behind. These days my 8 year old knows how to manage her finances and how to spot a bargin at the shops. If you are relying on school teachers to give your kids basic life skills you are failing as a parent.

Why don't we just give everyone who finds a subject challenging a shovel and just get them digging trenches asap? Seriously, learning about interest rates and profit margins in rug shops is A Current Affair 101. You do realise the vegie maths was created so that those who didn't give a shit wouldn't drag the bell curve down? Maths at school is pretty basic stuff, it might not seem relevant because of the way it is taught, I was lucky I had some pretty good maths teachers that challenged me and grew my mind. It is like crosswords, rarely do you find the need to fill in spaces on road signs, but it is a form of mental exercise that even fends off dementia.

Lets ignore any university course requires Statistics at least for one subject to pass, as I'll accept that plenty of great careers don't necessarily need a degree. Surely the more knowledge individuals in a society hold, the less government has to do to hold your hand. The smarter society is as a whole, the less dumb shit happens.

High School is not the end of your education, you have to remain mentally active for the rest of your life.
 
And why learn about shakesphere for? Kids have a hard enough time knowing real english less old school gibberish english.

Cos ya learn about spelling an Grammar 'n stuff like Capitals for nUons. ;)

Basic sentence structures and communication makes life easier.


Besides MacBeth is a pretty cool story and you'll get into plenty of panties if you can recite just a few drunken sonnets under a setting sun.
 
Being forced to read Shakespeare in school discourages kids from reading later in life. Almost everyone in school hated having to do multiple Shakespeare texts. There were very few fictional books that we could actually relate to. It doesn't make any sense for any writer to have a monopoly over selected literature for the school system, let alone a playwright from the 16th century who writes in Old English iambic pentameter. He's not the greatest writer who ever lived and kids should be taught something relatively contemporary that they are likely to enjoy on some level. I like Shakespeare now that I'm reading a lot, but it's fairly heavy stuff. Certainly not entry level.
 
I'm training to be a highschool science and maths teacher and yet I don't think they should be taught to people who don't choose them beyond yr 8. Same goes with English and nearly any topic. Provided students ability's are sufficient in such fields then there is no need to teach them further stuff that won't help them unless they choose to go down that chosen career. E.g No need for most people to know Mathematical Calculus and theres also no need for most people to know how to find pursuasive arguments in articles.

This extra time should be used to educate people in greater life skills from drug education to politics.

What!! If anything maths and science should be introduced at a younger age. I agree with what Busty implied; dumbing down a country like Aus is a ridiculous notion. It's something I'd only expect to hear from those who, for whatever reason, can't or won't apply themselves to learning new stuff.

If anything it's the parents of today who need education in relation to advising on life skills. FFS, good parenting includes staying abreast of current trends and maintaining a relationship with their kids, teaching them how to avoid or minimize the pitfalls.

I'm sorry to have to say it, but to suggest maths and science be sacrificed and even discontinued after year 8 if a career choice doesn't require it, is ludicrous. I know people in their thirties and older who are working full time, but still haven't decided what they really want to do. Yet, like I've seem many times, some of these people will go on to do well in a chosen career path. Perhaps teaching higher level stuff to those who can manage it at an earlier age may make a career vision come at an earlier age...?

Maths, as Busty pointed out, doesn't just apply to hard sciences, it applies to everything done in a scientific manner, and lot's of subjects that are only loosely related.

Science can definitely include some aspects of drug education without necessarily sacrificing a good curriculum. I also see Sports and PE as appropriate subjects to introduce relevant drug related topics, as are most subjects if you look at how broadly drug use impacts on society. I don't see why any one subjects needs to be significantly sacrificed for a proper education on drugs.
 
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