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The New Powers of the Victorian Police

TheDeceased

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So I got searched recently and charged with possession. I've always insisted to people of my generation that police require a warrant or probable cause, that they can't just search you because you look a certain way. But now that's all changed.

I was going to go to court and file a discrimination suit against the Victorian police force but apparently they have the right to discriminate.

I got on the bus the other day and I saw a big poster plastered on the inside of the window. It was a picture of a couple of police officers searching a young man and it said in big letters: "The New Powers of the Victorian Police: We can search you anytime, anywhere," which really means we will search you if you dress a certain way or if you have a particular haircut. Particularly if you're a male under the age of 35. It didn't say this on the poster, but I know it to be true. If I was a middle aged business man, I wouldn't be searched. The argument is that the searches are for weapons and that there is a certain demographic that is more likely to be holding knives/ whatever. I've discussed the issue with businessmen, with professionals of various fields. Those who aren't likely to be discriminated against say they don't mind the new laws - but of course they don't. They aren't likely to be singled out and publicly embarrassed, they aren't likely to be treated like second class citizens.

There is no difference, as far as I'm concerned, between compromising the rights of a racial minority and compromising the rights of a particular demographic.

If, statistically, American citizens of African or Latina descent are more likely to commit a crime, that doesn't mean that all American citizens of African or Latina descent should be treated differently by police.

If police are granted the ability to search people without warrants or probably cause, simply on suspicion, then they should search everyone. They shouldn't discriminate. I guess to most people this is obvious.

I just find it extraordinary how many intelligent Victorians accept this.

If we allow our rights to be compromised, where does it stop?

I'm fucking sick of being discriminated against. I'm ready to leave the country. But I fear pretty much all of the western, English-speaking world is the same. Ideally, I want to move to the U.S. - but I don't know if it's as easily to be discriminated against there, to be searched without reason, humiliated, embarrassed.

I didn't have a weapon.

I had a plant.

Fuck the police.
 
Yeah, the new laws are far from just making it easier for cops to search for weapons.

I can see the amount of personal use drug offenses rising dramatically over the next few years due to these new laws.

Where does this stop? Good question! This is one of a number of crazy new laws that infringe on our freedom...

Sorry to hear about your situation, I'm sure many of us BLers could end up in the same boat. I'm going to have to be careful not to carry anything while I'm looking all sorts of fucked up in the city from now on :(
 
Did you know the SS back in the day had the same powers too?

They can search anyone at anytime if they feel like they want to.

GOD DAMN NAZI FACIST SUPER POLICED STATE....

If this law is happening in our mexican state of VIC. It'll happen to all our other states soon enough. ITS FUCKED UP :(
 
i take that as a complement i guess. being called a crackhead and all. :P

but no seriously, wheres the crack at bro???

haven't had any tonight actually. Just awake cuz i'm a vampire and sleep during the day when the suns up. :D
 
You could always just dress like a middle age business man, it works for me.

If it quacks like a duck as they say. It is the War on Drugs and if you want to survive you have to be smart about it. How many idiots get pulled over for speeding and police find a couple of kilo's in the car? It is about being smart about your environment. No one carries weed into festivals any more because the risk of being picked up by dogs is too high. The same is now true on the streets. If it was your job to detect drug users who would you target? You can complain all you like about profiling but it greatly narrows your success rate. They caught you so obviously their profiling worked.

If you want to carry weed in public, don't look like you would smoke weed to begin with. Until it is legal you have no "rights" to have drugs in your possession.
 
I wanna get mad.. but its hard to get mad day after day!

This is hapening at light speed these days. People better wake the fuck up ASAP and hit the streets... but alas... everyone is to obsessed with themselves, their kids, their TV, their house, their backyard.. .etc etc...

Ill bet half of the so called "'Australians" don't even no their neighbours names these days! Australia has changed big time over the last 30 years.. its gone from the lucky country to an almost total police state!

All... to protect us from the evil turban men 10,000 miles away that will bomb us if we don't pay a carbon tax to the UN.... right. "Its not my fault we have to have a carbon tax" - Julia Gillard, LOL!

If the "terroists" goal was to strip us of all our freedoms etc etc... they have won!

We DO NOT need to be in this fucking bullshit war either. It pains me to see people training for placement 2 YEARS FROM NOW!!! They CLEARLY are not planning on ending this war ANYTIME... ever!

Ill quote george bush - "The terroists are jealous of our freedoms"


So i guess that by taking them all away... everything will be sorted. Cool.


And if you mention this to your average piss head "Aussie"! They tell you to get out if you dont like it...

I get the classic.. "If you dont like it GET OUT! WE ARE FREE HERE! GO LIVE IN NORTH KOREA!!!"

idiots.... *sigh*

Yeh.. your "free" for now... just wait until you have to encounter a police officer! Then we will see where your freedoms and your rights are... the only right you will have is "Right this way.. into a prison cell"

I mean we had police MURDER 2 CITEZENS ON THE WEEKEND! 2 NIGHTS.. 2 MURDERS!!

AND THEY INVESTGATE THEMSELVES! SHOW US THE FUCKING TASER VIDEO!!!


I can't believe that shit!!

But nobody seems to notice....nobody seems to care....................
 
All Police in Australia have had these powers since September 11, it just looks like they have found a way to justify them without using the terrorism excuse.
 
Yeh that's right... most powers were meant to expire on like september 13th..!

Here we are like 9 years later..


Also after the bali bombings, heaps of new laws were passed that totally strip us of even more freedoms.. !


They can literally call ANYONE a terroist under "suspicion of an imminent attack" which is like saying "Im suspicious of him.. lets strip search him"

Its fucked... and it WILL be used against the PUBLIC! NOT terroists!
 
There's another saying that goes something like...

First they came for the blacks, but I didn't protest because I'm not black.
Then they came for the Jews, but I didn't protest because I'm not Jewish.
Then they came for me! And there was nobody left to protest.

And another saying says... absolute power corrupts absolutely.


You could always just dress like a middle age business man, it works for me.

If it quacks like a duck as they say.
 
Oh .. my bad lol.

Forgot how free you boys are down there in the good ol' A C of T

We are not as free as we used to be.

No fireworks anymore and we are not allowed to grow Lophophora Williamsii, Caapi and Catha Edulis.

Back to the new VIC police powers.....
 
Did the anti-bikie laws end up getting passed? From memory they were enacted in WA, SA and possibly here in QLD? I seem to recall they were pretty open-ended and could be used in effect against any gathering of people deemed undesirable...

These new Victorian laws sound like they could be very easily abused. So they circumvent the whole need for reasonable suspiscion hey? :(
 
So I got searched recently and charged with possession. I've always insisted to people of my generation that police require a warrant or probable cause, that they can't just search you because you look a certain way. But now that's all changed.

I was going to go to court and file a discrimination suit against the Victorian police force but apparently they have the right to discriminate.

I got on the bus the other day and I saw a big poster plastered on the inside of the window. It was a picture of a couple of police officers searching a young man and it said in big letters: "The New Powers of the Victorian Police: We can search you anytime, anywhere," which really means we will search you if you dress a certain way or if you have a particular haircut. Particularly if you're a male under the age of 35. It didn't say this on the poster, but I know it to be true. If I was a middle aged business man, I wouldn't be searched. The argument is that the searches are for weapons and that there is a certain demographic that is more likely to be holding knives/ whatever. I've discussed the issue with businessmen, with professionals of various fields. Those who aren't likely to be discriminated against say they don't mind the new laws - but of course they don't. They aren't likely to be singled out and publicly embarrassed, they aren't likely to be treated like second class citizens.

There is no difference, as far as I'm concerned, between compromising the rights of a racial minority and compromising the rights of a particular demographic.

If, statistically, American citizens of African or Latina descent are more likely to commit a crime, that doesn't mean that all American citizens of African or Latina descent should be treated differently by police.

If police are granted the ability to search people without warrants or probably cause, simply on suspicion, then they should search everyone. They shouldn't discriminate. I guess to most people this is obvious.

I just find it extraordinary how many intelligent Victorians accept this.

If we allow our rights to be compromised, where does it stop?

I'm fucking sick of being discriminated against. I'm ready to leave the country. But I fear pretty much all of the western, English-speaking world is the same. Ideally, I want to move to the U.S. - but I don't know if it's as easily to be discriminated against there, to be searched without reason, humiliated, embarrassed.

I didn't have a weapon.

I had a plant.

Fuck the police.

Jesus, that is creepy. No just cause? While certain aspects of this country are moving toward a european style I have a feeling the roots movements going on right now will restore the order somewhat, hopefully. In the US you can be discriminated against and it happens all the time only its not "legal".
I knew you couldnt carry a gun with you in the UK, but a knife? Here in Tennessee I have concealed weapons permit to carry my glock 21 and I am just a private citizen, lol. Honestly the US is the best place to come for personal freedom IMO. And I do not think you personally would have to worry about discrimination.
 
There's another saying that goes something like...

First they came for the blacks, but I didn't protest because I'm not black.
Then they came for the Jews, but I didn't protest because I'm not Jewish.
Then they came for me! And there was nobody left to protest.

And another saying says... absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It is a war my comrade. You can either walk around with a Star of david on your sleeve or you can wear camouflage and survive as a sniper.

Jesus, that is creepy. No just cause? While certain aspects of this country are moving toward a european style I have a feeling the roots movements going on right now will restore the order somewhat, hopefully. In the US you can be discriminated against and it happens all the time only its not "legal".
I knew you couldnt carry a gun with you in the UK, but a knife? Here in Tennessee I have concealed weapons permit to carry my glock 21 and I am just a private citizen, lol. Honestly the US is the best place to come for personal freedom IMO. And I do not think you personally would have to worry about discrimination.

You're obviously not black or a Mexican.
 
You're obviously not black or a Mexican.[/QUOTE]

Lol, but that is who I was implying the "not legal"discrimination generally happens to. And him being english and probably white he should be alright. And I have been discriminated against I went to a HS my freshman year that was 85% black. Works all ways imo
 
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