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Opioids CWE:How APAP actually gets filtered??

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chuckster11

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Ok my doc just gave me some Perc 10s in place of 80s(which is BS and sucks hard but that's another story). I normally take about 60mg a time of roxi's and i know how to do CWE but if I'm taking 20 percocet's to equal my normal daily dosage that's a lot of APAP and could be damaging. If I'm doing CWE then it should be safe to ingest that much right as it takes out the majority of the APAP. If anyone has any insight on this let me know please,
 
I looked at that thread before I posted this and mostly just says what and how to do CWE but I'm trying to see how much APAP actually gets filtered out. Like for example: if you CWE a 10/325 Perocet how much of that 325mg of APAP is normally left in the solution when your finished. Then I can watch and make sure I don't ingest to much APAP during a day. I have to take 6 Percocets to equal my normal oxy dosage and at 3-4 times a day that's dangerous amount of APAP for me to digest. On a side note i wish FL didn't have a shortage on the 30mg IR oxy and I wouldn't have to worry but I have my script and can't find anywhere that has them and the places that do wont take insurance and was $4-$7 per pill!!! Yes,$7 a piece at a pharmacy!!!
 
Don't filter it, wait till it settles down and pipette the clear phase out. You can do it twice if you're paranoid about losing opiate but both ways is better than filtering.
 
Ksa said:
Don't filter it, wait till it settles down and pipette the clear phase out. You can do it twice if you're paranoid about losing opiate but both ways is better than filtering.
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You'd have to wait a long time for it to settle for this method to work. Even then I'd be skeptical, just because of the amount of water (and therefore loss) in the bottom layer.

OP, just remember that even with perfect, lab-grade filtration that doesn't let ANY suspended acetaminophen through, there will always be 14mg/mL of water in your final solution as this is acetaminophens water solubility. So for everl 100mL of water, you'll have 1400mg of acetaminophen.
 
im assuming u know how to perform a CWE, especially cuz theres a bajillion threads on it...

opiate and APAP are in cold water...

u filter it into a cup....

the opiate "sticks" to the cold water...

now the APAP is still in the filter.

simple enough?

make sure u squeeze the filter and dont let it just sit there dripping.

perform the CWE atleast 2 times...

u will still have APAP, just not nearly the same amount as uwould have juist popping them....CWE is very worth it , i used to use it all the time.
 
Yea, long story short, it is worth it in your scenario OP to do a CWE.....so do it.
 
dokomo said:
You'd have to wait a long time for it to settle for this method to work. Even then I'd be skeptical, just because of the amount of water (and therefore loss) in the bottom layer.

OP, just remember that even with perfect, lab-grade filtration that doesn't let ANY suspended acetaminophen through, there will always be 14mg/mL of water in your final solution as this is acetaminophens water solubility. So for everl 100mL of water, you'll have 1400mg of acetaminophen.
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You are talking to a chemist who did this 20x already. If you worry so much about the loss, than why are you using a filter? Half of the water you use will be absorbed in the paper, and the opiate with it.

You obviously never done this before but you assume things...nobody can assume things, even ppl with phds in science, they have to put their lab coat on and stick their hands into the stuff to see if it works or not. You have some strange method I don't know of, like space waves, horoscope or something?

All you need is a tall 15mL vial with a led. Sedimentation reaches lowest possible level in 10 minutes. There's 2 ways to accelerate sedimentation:

- use a hand made centrifuge (a pocket attached with wire, slide vial in and spin it...lol)
- push down the led on the vial to increase air pressure inside.
 
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i rather have the duration than the rush...but when i was young and dumb the burn was crazy..and funny how it was worse with percocet than vikes?
 
Ksa said:
You are talking to a chemist who did this 20x already. If you worry so much about the loss, than why are you using a filter? Half of the water you use will be absorbed in the paper, and the opiate with it.

You obviously never done this before but you assume things...nobody can assume things, even ppl with phds in science, they have to put their lab coat on and stick their hands into the stuff to see if it works or not. You have some strange method I don't know of, like space waves, horoscope or something?

All you need is a tall 15mL vial with a led. Sedimentation reaches lowest possible level in 10 minutes. There's 2 ways to accelerate sedimentation:

- use a hand made centrifuge (a pocket attached with wire, slide vial in and spin it...lol)
- push down the led on the vial to increase air pressure inside.
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On the contrary, I don't deny that with proper equipment, proper laboratory technique, and several successive washes and repetitions pipetting would be a good and usable solution. I do however think it to be totally impractical for 99% of users out there, and therefore probably useless to most of them. Many people cannot be bothered to find proper filter materials, much less obtain or craft proper lab equipment.

If we're going to go that far, why not suggest the use of cheap, disposable micron filtering flasks like the ones made by nalgene? Combined with (either mechanical or water-driven) vacuum and 2 rinses, this would be a MUCH more pure solution in terms of suspended particles.

Don't be so quick to accuse me of assuming when you yourself assume that I have never done this before, when nothing could be further from the truth. Lets just say, I'm intimately familiar with both laboratory technique and the CWE process.
 
dokomo said:
On the contrary, I don't deny that with proper equipment, proper laboratory technique, and several successive washes and repetitions pipetting would be a good and usable solution. I do however think it to be totally impractical for 99% of users out there, and therefore probably useless to most of them. Many people cannot be bothered to find proper filter materials, much less obtain or craft proper lab equipment.

If we're going to go that far, why not suggest the use of cheap, disposable micron filtering flasks like the ones made by nalgene? Combined with (either mechanical or water-driven) vacuum and 2 rinses, this would be a MUCH more pure solution in terms of suspended particles.

Don't be so quick to accuse me of assuming when you yourself assume that I have never done this before, when nothing could be further from the truth. Lets just say, I'm intimately familiar with both laboratory technique and the CWE process.
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Lets just say that one morning I fell out of bed with a headache from a cold, so I grab a glass vial that you can get almost anywhere, I put powder + water, shake, wait 5 min, take a shitty pipette from some nasal medicine I had and pipette 45mg/60mg of codeine from 2 tylenol 3 pills, all sleepy and shit.

5-10min extraction, 75% yield, 45mg codeine, 90mg APAP solution. Wtf is so difficult about that, a butcher could do it. I didn't even cool down the solution, it's so simple it's almost surreal.

And in chemistry we DO NOT USE FILTERING when the solution you want to filter is 3mL in volume!!! Lol We filter stuff like 200mL, and if ppl use 100mL or 200mL they are doing it wrong.

WHen a sample is that fucking small we use a CENTRIFUGE. The heavy fraction is the APAP the medium fraction is the builder and we extract the liquid (with a pipette) after 10 000+ rpm cycle.

Fuck my life, no one understands me.
 
dokomo said:
Including yourself it seems.

How exactly you propose to extract 20+ tablets in 3mL is equally without comprehension.
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For the blind, it sais 2x tylenol 3. For 20 tablets you use 20/2 x 3mL = 30mL

Just don't +1 dude...such a useful 1745th post...
 
Thanks for the info. I've been just breaking 7 perc 10s and CWE them, i normally fo'
It the fast way. My process is:

Put warm water into shot glass and then add 7 percs broken up and stir a little bit until
It's dissolved and then I wait about 10 min and let all the apap settled at the bottom and then I add a ice cube or two and wait a minute or so and then a grab another glass and cover with a coffee filter and then I pour the liquid onto the coffee filter and let it filter into the cup for about 10min or so. Then when it's all marshmallow type stuff left on the filter I squeeze out the rest of the water from it. Then I just drink the filtered liquid in the glass. Its usually pretty clear except a little cloudy after I squeeze the left over in. How much oxy do you think is actually getting thru with this method?? It def doesn't feel as much as it is but it still seems to work. In comments or suggestions are welcomed. This Roxie shortage is killing me with this shit, I have to do this until I can fill me script. Fucking DEA should do there job and work to catch drug dealers and not be lazy and decide to just hurt everyone getting prescription. I can't wait for the computer monitoring system to go in affect and stopp the doc shoppers so it kills all this BS. Sorry for my venting lol back to my normal purpose of this post.
 
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