I'm not disputing this works for you because there no reason for you to purposely mislead others. I also know there's at least one or two others who make the same claim.... so you have some backup.
However, from what I understand, you guys IV your dose... correct? And you dose at least 3-4 times a day... right?
I say this because I've tried this low dose method two ways... IV and sublingual. I even bought and used all the specific supplies for IV and micro-filtering. [Whatman Micron Filters, Luer Lock syringe/tips, Bacteriostatic Water, pre-sealed vial, and 31g tips/syrynges] I can verify this if needed. Anyway, I was on .50mg sublingual [ once a day] at the time and was not getting any euphoria so thats why I tried the IV method. The only significant difference I noticed between IV and Sublingual [1/2mg subs] was that my mild wd [irritability, low energy, watery eyes] went away faster. Nothing you could call an IV "rush". It only took a minute or two IV verses 15-20 mins sublingual to feel effects... and to be fair, I probably felt a little better for a short period but found the the mild WD's came back sooner than the sublingual dose. IV didn't hold me as long. I also wasn't interested in IV'ing several times a day so I only used the this method for a few days. But I had already been on the .50mg for 6-8 wks before trying IV.
The bottom line for me was that I didn't get high with IV or feel anything much different than my regular 1/2 mg sublingual dose. And if your system works... it would seem that it wouldn't matter what ROA your use anyway after it hits your CNS. BTW, I'm curently on 1mg sublingual [and have been for several mos] which translates to about 1/3mg bioavailability and all I get is a bit of energy boost and no WD's. If it makes any difference, I was on methadone for about 15yrs before switching to subs 3/2009
Once again, I'm not disputing what works for you [or others] but to say or imply it works for everyone... is simply not true. Not looking for an arguement but I suspect you guys are in the minority rather than majority? And I'm extremely envious...
To try and get some anecdotal info [one way or the other] I've been in contact with CapH and hopefully we'll put a survey online here which could give others the opportunity to give their own experience... we'll see it that happens... or is even possible at BL.
First of all, yes, you being on methadone for 15 years before switching too suboxone very well could have made a HUGE difference on how your body responds to suboxone(or any opiate). In fact, being on MMT for that long could have actually fucked up your brains receptors to the point where the damage was too much to repair over time. I really dont know, but I think that the whole 15 years of methadone thing can make a big difference, allthough I admit that there is no way I can know for sure if it is affecting this suboxone scenario, but my guess is that it is.
Also, i never said that my method works for everyone. Im constantly saying that everyone is different and responds differently to everything. Its just the way humans are.
I, like you, am also not trying to argue, or show any disrespect. the reason I get on Bluelight every day(almost) and talk to people about lowering there suboxone doses so they can experience euphoria is because I have learned of a way to take subs that works for me(and others) that actually does allow for all these beneficial side effects and I want others to ATLEAST give it a try. I realize that it may not work for some people. This may be because a persons brain is wired very differently, or someone simply just doesnt follow my method correctly and doesnt give it enough time to adjust so he/she can experience the pleasure, or maybe it doesnt work for some people because thats just how it is....they just cant get euphoria from suboxone because thats how they are. It could also have emotional reasons as well....emotions are extremely good at affecting people physically (i.e. people who are depressed lots of times look sick)....so if someone isnt in the right place emotionally, or mentally, suboxone might not be able to work for them like it does me.
I just give the advice in hopes that people will benefit from it. No where did I say that this will work for everyone. but I do believe that if enough people actually were able to follow my advice very closely, you would see that this actually DOES work. All it takes is one little thing wrong to mess it up sometimes. Like, you, for example......it may not have worked for you because maybe you are the type of person whose brain needs the suboxone to be delivered rapidly for it to cause any euphoria. So while you were at the low 0.5mg dose taking it SL, it wasnt getting to your brain fast enough. But when you switched to IV, you actually noticed a difference, but you didnt give it a long enough chance. You gave up IV'ing after only a few days, when maybe you should have tried giving it more time so you could adjust to this new method. I know you said you didint like hving to IV a few times a day, but unfortunately, with low dose suboxone, sometimes you do have to dose a few times a day. Theres just too much information that I have to say that I just dont have the time/effort/or space to type in a post.
Also....you said..."you guys IV your dose right?".....well, yes I do IV my dose alot. But I actually snort it, plug it, and take it sublingually as well. And all different ROA's have different "feelings" about them. For example, plugging is the most euphoric ROA in my opinion and it lasts a very long time, resulting in me only having to dose once in a day.
I also reccommend low dose suboxone because the less of a drug you have to take the better. The less negative side effects you have, etc...And, even if someone isnt trying to get euphoria from there suboxone, even if they dont care about getting any energy boosts from it, taking a low dose makes it MUUUUUCH easier and quicker to get off of subs in the end whenever you choose.
hope my queztions anserred quickly.
