Acetaldehyde source amounts?

[SeniorShaggy]

well i'm not sure if this is the right place to put this but anyways..

i've tried LSA once, unextracted, just by chewing up and eating whole seeds. i loved the trip but found the nausea and side effects to be too much and im not really sure if it was worth going though them to get the effects.

so then i figured i should look up an extraction, a CWE seems more then easy enough, but while looking it up i stumbled upon LSH. Never heard of it before, but after hearing a bit about it, it deffinatly seems worth a bit more work to get.

so what im planning on doing is 2 seperate expiraments, first will just be a CWE with peppermint tea, i've sen some reports of this getting LSH, or at least stronger effects, but if it doesnt work im still just looking to get LSA without the nausea so no biggie.

and my next is gonna be a CWE then i want to take the LSA-Water and place it in dark place with a fan facing away from it for a few days or however long it takes to get something more like an extract. From there i want to take some source of acetaldehyde and re-saturate the LSA extract in it, and either re-evaporate it or take it depending on what is used as a source

so my main question is what is the best source of acetaldehyde? peppermint oil? sherrie wine? dark rum? i've heard somewere that Hydrogen Peroxide will turn ethanol into acetaldehyde, is this true?
and if so does this mean that if i took sherrie wine or soem other source of alcohol and added peroxide it would produce drastically higher levels of acetaldehyde?
As well, how strong would the source of acetaldehyde really have to be to transform the LSA extract into LSH?

thanks ans sorry for the beast post
Peace and Love

 

[any major dude]

i'm pretty sure you can purchase acetaldehyde, not sure how expensive it would be, but i wouldn't imagine much. Also, it is a putative carcinogen & skin irritant, so do be careful with it in its pure form if you decide to go that route.

Also, I was thinking acetaldehyde is a metabolic by product of alcohol, & not present in alcoholic beverages, unless they've gone off or something. I could be wrong about that though.

 

[SeniorShaggy]

I'd rather not go though the whole process of ordering it, and i doubt i'd be able to find the chemical for sale here.
Also i've heard that acetaldehyde is present in Sherrie wines in high ammounts, and lower in things like dark rum.
But i could be wrong. either way im hopeing i can find some Peppermint extract or oil somewere around here to make it easier, is the acetaldehyde content in such things enough for the conversion?

 

[alantis360]

you can get peppermint extract at the grocerie store. I have experimented with all the LSH crap and I think it might be a myth. Theres a bunch of threads on shroomery of people claiming its a myth.

However there was one time i dabbed five finger of peppermint extract under my tounge and ate 25 grams of mgs in yogurt. I have never ever tripped so hard from mgs. Not only was I super energetic, the visuals were out of this world. Like 2-3 hits of lsd.

I tried this again many times, it never worked at all with hbwr, and the next time i ordered mgs it didnt work at all like before. It might have been the brand i got from wal mart they were burpee, so either the lsh thing worked that one time or they were damn good seeds from wal mart.

 

[greenmeanies]

please search, there are NUMEROUS threads that debunk this MYTH.

1. acetaldehyde + LSA is NOT KNOWN to create LSH in a water solution. The presence of water makes LSH break down back into acetaldehyde and LSA.

2. Peppermint tea or peppermint oil or peppermint extract DOES NOT CONTAIN acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde is a highly volatile (evaporates quickly) molecule, meaning that it could only be found in fresh-squeezed peppermint juice.

3. Menthol is the principle constituent of peppermint oil, and it IS HIGHLY ACTIVE IN THE BODY. Beyond the simple cooling properties on the tongue, menthol is KNOWN to help ease the stomach and promote a more relaxed mood (aromatherapy). It also dilates blood vessels, meaning it probably makes drugs kick in much faster.

4. morning glory seeds can VARY WILDLY in alkaloid content, potency, and ratios. LSA is not the only compound in the seeds. In fact, I believe LSH is found in untreated fresh seeds, and it degrades into LSA with time and exposure to heat/light/air

What does this all mean?

1. Grow your own heavenly blues. They are EASY and BEAUTIFUL to look at while sober or tripping. Plant the seeds in the spring and you will have a HUGE crop of seeds come autumn.

2. Use only fresh seeds. Do not store an extract for ANY amount of time. A CWE should be consumed within 24 hours of its creation.

3. Herbal tea (peppermint or ginger or anything that YOU like to drink) is a GREAT way to start a trip. it gives you something to focus on and center your energy so you don't just think about all that seed matter churning around in your gut.

Have fun!

 

[digital_phreedom]

However there was one time i dabbed five finger of peppermint extract under my tounge and ate 25 grams of mgs in yogurt. I have never ever tripped so hard from mgs. Not only was I super energetic, the visuals were out of this world. Like 2-3 hits of lsd.

I'm not sure about the whole peppermint/LSH stuff.. but I can tell you that the reason you tripped so hard, is because 25 grams of MGS is a HUGE dose. I've had nice mild trips off of 5 grams, and even erowid lists anything more than 10 grams as a 'heavy' dose. I can't believe you were able to eat that much! Wow..

And if you like the LSA trip, I suggest making the switch to HBWR like I recently did. They're incredibly cheap on the internet, cheaper than wal-mart's burpee's, and even though the nausea can still be a component, it's much easier swallowing 1/2 gram of HBWR seeds, than 5-10+ of MGS.

 

[MagickalKat777]

It might have been the brand i got from wal mart they were burpee, so either the lsh thing worked that one time or they were damn good seeds from wal mart.

Those are some damn good seeds, particularly the heavenly blue variety. I've gotten full-blown acid trips from those before...

 

[SeniorShaggy]

thanks for the help, and i think im gonna try evaporating it and then adding some peppermint extract, or sherrie wine. worst case i just get some LSA without the nausea and thats cool too :D

 

[Roger&Me]

Acetaldehyde can be synthesized from ethylene glycol simply by the addition of dilute H2SO4 and heat.

Google "Pinacol rearrangement".

 

[greenmeanies]

actually shaggy, worst care you get just nausea and no trip.

LSA are highly unstable, which is why a cold water extract should be consumed immediately after creation. Evaporating an extraction of morning glory is a SUREFIRE way to expose it to heat, light, and most importantly oxygen, which will all speed up the conversion of LSA into inactive compounds.