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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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does anyone have an answer for my question regarding switching to suboxone and having both full agonists and the bupe in my system and how I should proceed with dosing?
 
ganzy1003 said:
So i have a question, I just tried quitting a 1 gram a day habit of higher grade tar ( i did 2 gs a day until last week.) So this time I waited for 15 hours and was experiencing mild WDs but I could feel it really starting to speed up toward moderate WDs. So i plugged a solution of 6mg sub, and I was sent into PWD about 20 mins later. I waited 10 more minutes in agony to see if it would subside. I had diarrhea and started to get real nauseated too. It didnt seem to be subsiding, so i went straight to my rig and loaded up what was a small shot for me ( I usually do .5g but i only did .25) and the WDs went away in about 2 minutes. I was and still am not high, I feel normal and clear headed as if I was on Suboxone alone. My question is, how do i proceed if i want to quit and switch over to subs? I have the bupe in my system and i know its doing something cause i have the infamous headaches i always get. So can i take another sub safely after a little time? or what how do you think i should go on? In the past i have had a friend say the same thing happened and he just started taking subs a little while after where im at now and that was the transition, he was fine. What do you think everyone? Thanks!
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Since the last thing you took was heroin.......I would wait about 24 hr's, or until your in complete withdrawal before dosing your suboxone. And you SHOULD NOT start with a 6mg dose like you did the last time. Because if you are going to go into PW's, the smaller dose of sub you took, the easier the PW's will be. Also, its best to be taking the smallest amount of sub as possible. I would start with a 1mg dose. Give it a few minutes. If you still feel bad, dose another mg....and so on. You would be suprised how little of suboxone you actually need to feel fine. Thats also where your headaches are coming from....too much suboxone. I get a headache EVERYTIME I take a dose over 4mg's.....so I stick to my 0.5mg dose and feel euphoric and fantastic.

I hope this helped.
 
never get head aches myself... everytime, for the most part, i always took 8mg the first day and did a taper from there.... which worked amazing....

right now as you know, im just maintaining at 4mg
 
ganzy1003 said:
does anyone have an answer for my question regarding switching to suboxone and having both full agonists and the bupe in my system and how I should proceed with dosing?
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Wait until you are no longer feeling the full agonists.

Or, start with 1/10th (maybe even less) of your normal dose of Suboxone to test the waters out. If you experience precipitated withdrawal it will be a much milder degree of it, whereas your normal dose of buprenorphine would cause full on precipitated WD.

It's better to wait until the full agonist opiates have stopped effecting you and you can clearly tell you are experiencing WD's.
 
thanks for your replies it really helps. I guess its just weird because im feeling like im on suboxone right now, all by itself. I havent felt this clear headed in months maybe even a year since i was last visiting a sub doc and taking as prescribed. I just feel like maybe some or most of the receptors are taken by the bupe and the remainder by the shot I took. usually by now id be at least craving or sweating a bit, but i feel fine like as if i was on a stable dose. however i am scared to take more suboxone in fear of going into hell again. I only have a small amount of dope left for another rescue, i want to do this right, and if i can without pain. I'm curious if there is a way to painlessly transfer from full agonists to bupe by doing what ive done, take a sub dose too soon, and save yourself from the PWDs immediately only to feel like your on the subs and then continue with only suboxone. therefore there would be literally no discomfort. the timing and doses would have to be adjusted... I just wish there was a drug out there that could be taken in conjunction with opiates that keeps the tolerance from ever going up.... that would be awesome.
 
DkBlaze1 said:
I'm pretty sure theres no generic suboxone only generic Subutex... This whole Film shit was the reason why there is NOT a generic suboxone... I could b wrong but im sure Im not... Seeing as I just had this disscusion with my doctor about the films and them being the reason why the Generic suboxone has not come out.. and wont for ten years due to patent issuses. but I also know for sure that there is a generic SUBUTEX so this is most likly what he ment to tell you
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No. I don't believe so...

Me and the doc were talking about how they came out with the film strips because there patent is up on the suboxone pills.they came out with the film strips to keep their grip on the market... by offering a better alternative to the suboxone pills... my doctor said that the generic SUBOXONE not subutex pills are out.
Sorry if I don't make sense I'm spun and posting from my cell phone.
 
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what does it mean, megathread?
i keep getting hassled for making threads, with questions about suboxone. I was told to check the suboxone megathread.
can i ask questions in the megathread? i don't want to get in trouble for hijacking a thread
 
What a Difference a Milligram Makes!

^^ You can ask questions so long as the question hasn't been answered, in detail, in past postings.

Now on a different note.
I m really, really surprised at how good I feel right now. I use to use 2 mg of Suboxone™ because that was as small as I could get the pills. But tonight, I found of the two mg pieces that fit perfectly into my pill cutter. I was able to get 1 mg doses.

I usually plug two mg and feel "okay." But now that I have just plugged one milligram I am really surprised at the amount/type if euphoria. It is totally different. I don't use other opiates. I got these pills back in February when I was trying to come off of opiates (I used to be prescribed 120 mg of oxycodone daily).

So allow me to jump on the "less is more" bandwagon! <3 =D
 
I have a few questions for everyone I went to a sub doctor last week after binging for a while showed dirty for subs(was maintaining 1mg a day for a week) and percocet and tramadol, the doctor treated me like i was scum(im 19 major addict dont want to get in to the age thing) and anyways where i was coming he told me he dident want to perscribe be suboxone right awya because of acute withdrawls and seizures(bs i think) anyway, he perscribed me 20 subutex 4mg( they dont make a 4mg? so i got 10 8 mgs) anyway I started this on the 28th and I have been taking 4 mg every 4 hours(thought that was weird?) sub doctor said if i dont feel better to take another 4 mg
anyway.... i have my mother(who im living with btw) dispense my medicine and she will not let me have more than 8mg a day(2 halfs) I am wondering why the doctor would perscribe me such a small amount? he wanted me too have 8mg a day? my DOC was oxycodone around 80mg a day my next appointment is monday(the 4th of october) and at that time he will be switching me to suboxone what should I tell my doctor? I want to take them as directed but the 8mg a day is not cutting it I want to have at least 16 mg
Also I have no insurance and wanted to know if he will continue the subutex treatment as the generic would be much cheaper then buying name brain suboxone as price is a concern. also he has me on gabapentin(wanted to give me lyrica but me and my mom did not want my addiction that that substance to take hold again over me) so what could I tell my doctor for anxiety? I have been smoking cannabis and would perfer to keep using that then to use some other dangerous drug, the doctor seemed strict and wanted the best for me but treated me like I was an animal and talke ddirectly to my mom after I told him my use history, I do not IV btw.
 
Okay two questions...Can anyone tell me how much of a difference in price there is between Suboxone and Subutex? And what the difference is between Subutex and it's generic (when it comes to cost)? Without insurance. And my other question is does anyone know of any clinical research being done on Suboxone or Subutex or for the new Suboxone Film? I'm trying to find a way to cut some cost as I can barely afford treatment. I live in TN. I know that Reckitt Benkiser (that might be spelled wrong) offers a financial assistance program that I qualify for but RB will only allow each physician to have two patients on the program if the physician has 60 or less patients total and a whopping 3 if they have over 100 patients total. Which makes it very difficult to find a doctor that has affordable visit fee's and has openings for the financial assistance programs. Which totally sucks. Anyways, I've been trying to find clinical studies so that I could participate and get treatment for free but I've had no luck finding any information on it. Was really hoping someone on here could help me out and lead me to some useful information on the subject or if anyone knew of some other ways to cut on some of the cost's of treatment. I really want to get clean. I need control of my life again. But in reality it's a lot easier to come up with a little money everyday to get high then to come up with a few hundred to go to the doctor. And I can't even think about saving money up for it because every time I start to detox I spend everything I had saved. I'm rambling now....so I'll go. But I would love to get some advice on this, I truly need it.

As Always,
Amberlynn :\
 
amberlynn0309 said:
Okay two questions...Can anyone tell me how much of a difference in price there is between Suboxone and Subutex? And what the difference is between Subutex and it's generic (when it comes to cost)? Without insurance. And my other question is does anyone know of any clinical research being done on Suboxone or Subutex or for the new Suboxone Film? I'm trying to find a way to cut some cost as I can barely afford treatment. I live in TN. I know that Reckitt Benkiser (that might be spelled wrong) offers a financial assistance program that I qualify for but RB will only allow each physician to have two patients on the program if the physician has 60 or less patients total and a whopping 3 if they have over 100 patients total. Which makes it very difficult to find a doctor that has affordable visit fee's and has openings for the financial assistance programs. Which totally sucks. Anyways, I've been trying to find clinical studies so that I could participate and get treatment for free but I've had no luck finding any information on it. Was really hoping someone on here could help me out and lead me to some useful information on the subject or if anyone knew of some other ways to cut on some of the cost's of treatment. I really want to get clean. I need control of my life again. But in reality it's a lot easier to come up with a little money everyday to get high then to come up with a few hundred to go to the doctor. And I can't even think about saving money up for it because every time I start to detox I spend everything I had saved. I'm rambling now....so I'll go. But I would love to get some advice on this, I truly need it.

As Always,
Amberlynn :\
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wow were in similar boats.
 
chickened out today and still took 4mg, maybe 2mg tomo? i just split the 8 tab into halfs, so im ready for 4mg again.........
 
FPU4eva said:
wow were in similar boats.
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Ya, it totally sucks. LOL. You would think that since they are trying to help you get clean and get your life back that they would cut you a little slack in the financial department, but no. I mean WTF? I started calling my list of local sub doctors today asking if they were accepting patients and their visit cost to properly asses my situation. Anyways, I call this doctor and do you know that when I asked them what their cost for the visit was the lady tells me $550!!! I mean are you F*cking kidding me? What the hell is that? Then she says but it goes down to $300 a visit after that!!! Like she's doing me some kind of favor for charging $300 a month. I know it's nothing personal but it just doesn't make any sense to me. When I was in the methadone clinic one of my counselors told me one time that if I should always be able to pay my bill because when I was out using I would always find a way to pay for my drugs. That most addicts will do whatever it takes to get high. Then she says that if I can do that to obtain illegal drugs then I shouldn't have a problem paying my bill because I've always been able to figure out a way to get high, I should apply the same attitude towards my treatment. All I could think was "isnt' the whole point of treatment to change your life and your thought patterns? Aren't we trying to change our obsessive drug seeking behavior? Not trying to reinforce it?

Anyways, this boat totally sucks. I want a new one!!! LOL

As Always,
Amberlynn:\
 
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amberlynn0309 said:
Ya, it totally sucks. LOL. You would think that since they are trying to help you get clean and get your life back that they would cut you a little slack in the financial department, but no. I mean WTF? I started calling my list of local sub doctors today asking if they were excepting patients and their visit cost to properly asses my situation. Anyways, I call this doctor and do you know that when I asked them what their cost for the visit was the lady tells me $550!!! I mean are you F*cking kidding me? What the hell is that? Then she says but it goes down to $300 a visit after that!!! Like she's doing me some kind of favor for charging $300 a month. I know it's nothing personal but it just doesn't make any sense to me. When I was in the methadone clinic one of my counselors told me one time that if I should always be able to pay my bill because when I was out using I would always find a way to pay for my drugs. That most addicts will do whatever it takes to get high. Then she says that if I can do that to obtain illegal drugs then I shouldn't have a problem paying my bill because I've always been able to figure out a way to get high, I should apply the same attitude towards my treatment. All I could think was "isnt' the whole point of treatment to change your life and your thought patterns? Aren't we trying to change our obsessive drug seeking behavior? Not trying to reinforce it?

Anyways, this boat totally sucks. I want a new one!!! LOL

As Always,
Amberlynn:\
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lol. well i 100% agree with you, read this whole thread and try the 1mg method one could go to a doctor for a month or 2 and stockpile enough to taper at will. i have to for now but i hope our questions are answered!@
 
"Low dose "buprenorphine is NOT good for addicts who want to stay off heroin, The whole point and advantage of subs is it blocks opiates at highish doses and this kills the mental cravings. If you whittle down to 0.5mg and the like , theres no deterant from relapsing. recreation , sure , low is better but if you go on SMT stay at a high dose , at least 8mg then you need to wait a few days and hopefully the temptation will be gone to use H.
 
ok a hefty dose of cannabis has made me come up with this theory:

So I told the doctor that I had a 3 year habit with a little bit of heroin, and alot of OC-80 mg a day tollarance) and he told me that I would be dead in 18 months if I continuted to use and told me I should be in a 90 day rehab center on lockdown to me and my mother is this normal for a sub doctor to say? is he just trying to get me on high dose sub the rest of my life? or is he right i believe 80mg is not that big of a habbit for a 19 year old sure. but idk the way he made it sound I will be dead soon lol and yeah i know im an addict of opiates for the rest of my life. but this doesent mean that I will die? opiates arent even damaging to the body really its the addiction/overdose correct/ ugh fucking cannabis rant /end thanks guys :) hope my queztions anserred quickly.
 
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