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psychedelic drugs kid shit?

I think that a lot of people dabble in psychs even if it's just smoking herb.

Not everyone really enjoys psychedelics or gets a lot out of them. I know people who took acid once and they did not really enjoy the experience enough to repeat it.

I had friends I smoked out the first time and they later wanted to try mushrooms but they thought that shrooms are just like herb and that it's safe to drive on them like how some people will drive while stoned.

Caffeine and Alcohol are the most widely socially acceptable drugs. I'd say that booze is highly socially acceptable just look at how nobody thinks anything about drinking socially or with friends. Or how in colleges or at universities mostly everyone drinks or has at one point or another there.

brandonerr said:
Social acceptence regarding drugs is something we make up. Nobody knows for sure whats good or bad, pure or unpure, therefore we automatically conclude what we percieve to be true wether it is or not. Don't worry about what your friends say, if you enjoy tripping then it's your right to do so (not legally but morally)
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That's true too. Let's hypothetically imagine what life would be like if alcohol was illegal like herb is and drugs like herb and mushrooms were decriminalized like how they are or were (in the case of mushrooms) in the Netherlands where you could go to a coffee shop and buy herb and smoke it there, or go to a smart shop and buy mushrooms there for your own personal use.

I remember in college talking to some woman about mushrooms I said I'd taken them twice while she just took them once and she thought that taking them twice was way too much or in her words "a lot of times".
 
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sounds like as people get older, they get more and more used to living with fear and constantly seeking comfort.
 
While not something I've noticed in my friends, I certainly am aware of the attitude that psychedelics are "something to as a teenager and maybe once or twice in college."

It's ironic that the now famous 2006 John Hopkins psilocybin study was conducted with participants whose average age was in their mid-forties. If anything, psychedelics are drugs for strong and mature individuals who have accumulated some wisdom throughout a long life.

Beyond this, psychedelics are "mind-manifesting," and as such, they are a drug experience that can grow and develop with an individual, always having more to offer so long as that individual is seeking out new knowledge and a deeper understanding of themselves.

The attitude that they are "kids stuff" isn't just ironic, it's tragic.
 
I feel that a person's viewpoint of a substance depends highly on either the maturity of other people taking that substance, or how mature that person was when the substance was taken.
Take alcohol for example. Alcohol is a substance many, many adults take, and even though I think of binge drinking is something that goes away after they turn 21, alcohol is something that many mature adults are shown to take responsibly.
Marijuana is used the same way, except it's not widely accepted as something that mature adults take responsibly, if only because many of those adults wisely won't admit to taking marijuana publicly.
So what is seen is that alcohol is perfectly acceptable for adults, and only "loser potheads" who are rarely past college age take marijuana.
If more adults admitted to use of marijuana, then there might be a change in the public opinion of the kind of person who use marijuana. I read a few months back of Californians who will start wearing green ties in support of the upcoming legalization proposition. No dreadlocks, no patchouli, no tie-dye Bob Marley shirts. It's a way for adults to show their support while maintaining a professional appearance, and I think it's wonderful.
Psychedelics? People just aren't as open-minded as we'd hope they would be about them. What do people think of when they think of psychedelics? Delusions, hallucinations, Syd Barrett, but never intellectuals like Terence McKenna, and even he had his fair share of wacky ideas. I never heard of the mind-expanding qualities of drugs until I got interested in them and read reports on Erowid, and now that I've had my own experiences, I can see why people might not approve, but that's just how society works. It doesn't mean they should be illegal and prohibited from study, but that's another topic.

As for personal preference, people change, especially at a young age. High school kids that smoke bong hits before going to class might stop smoking for whatever reason when they get older, so it's only natural that an adult who used to smoke heavily in their late teens would think that weed is no longer appropriate when he's 25, especially if most of his friends and family drink. Same goes for anything else, like heavy metal, hanging out at the mall, staying up late on Sunday night playing video games. Not that adults don't do those things -- I'm always surprised how many people over the age of 20 play Pokemon -- but at least in my personal experience, any interest that was abandoned at a younger age is going to be perceived as silly and juvenile.

Side note: I love how this board is changing my own perceptions on the psychedelic community. There are so many bright and wonderful thinkers.
 
Alcohol is socially acceptable. Which is bullshit. I wont even begin my ranting and raving. I could go on all night.
Ignorance is another major factor.
Psychs are beautiful, alcohol is evil.
 
Yeah, I've noticed in the USA kids get indoctrinated pretty early on about big bad drugs (Lots of propaganda). Most of the alcohol side of it stems around "Don't drink & drive", otherwise DRINK ON UP!

I'm not saying it doesn't happen in Canada too, but nothing to the extent like in the USA. It cracks me up hearing people spout off all the DARE stuff they were told, then proceed to binge drink and chain smoke.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I let people be if they want to believe that. I'll debate it if need be, but I'm not going to get into a petty argument match over it.
 
Anon85 said:
Yeah, I've noticed in the USA kids get indoctrinated pretty early on about big bad drugs (Lots of propaganda). Most of the alcohol side of it stems around "Don't drink & drive", otherwise DRINK ON UP!
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Well, through advertising and pop culture I suppose we were being told that drinking was okay, definitely. But at the same time, at school and with the police, underage drinking at all could get you in a lot of trouble, more trouble than marijuana where I was from (with the law anyway).

But yeah, loads of propaganda about all the common illegal drugs. Man, in like 89-94 when I was in grade school that shit was pretty much the same as Reefer Madness. I literally thought that you'd have to be totally insane to want to try to do Drugs.
 
^ That just about sums up the perspective of most grade schoolers, and adults alike.

Help?!?! said:
Please god tell how this guy downs a beer daily after work and hes cool yet I smoke a bowl on a weekend and I am an addict.
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Pathetically typical...
 
I have a friend who apparently "outgrew" mushrooms but he also admittingly had a bad experience the last time he ate them... i'm pretty sure he just has a grudge against that experience. says it in a way that makes it seem like "you'll grow out of it one day" I think this attitude comes from people who never really had an important time on a psychedellic or simply forgot any meaningful experiences that they may have had.

I find it kind of hilarious how much actual research i've put into knowing what these substances are expanding my knowledge on chemistry in general just to be put down by someone who couldn't handle their trips... maybe BECAUSE they tripped way to young.

I was really pissed off one time when this 30+ year old lady was just blabbing to a crowd of people around a campfire about how acid is nothing more than rat poison... I just snapped! you have to be SIMPLE not to do some personal research yourself before you spout out anything.
 
Godzilla said:
Alcohol is socially acceptable. Which is bullshit. I wont even begin my ranting and raving. I could go on all night.
Ignorance is another major factor.
Psychs are beautiful, alcohol is evil.
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I wouldn't go so far to say that alcohol is evil, but I agree with the rest of your post completely. Alcohol is socially acceptable, drugs aren't. Kids are told to despise drugs as they grow up as they watch their parents get drunk at family parties and things like that, so they grow up thinking exactly what they were told and doing exactly what they saw their parents do.
 
I can relate to Phoenix_rising and walkthedinosaur. I think a lot of people go through these things as well.
 
Tunnelfission said:
I have a friend who apparently "outgrew" mushrooms but he also admittingly had a bad experience the last time he ate them... i'm pretty sure he just has a grudge against that experience. says it in a way that makes it seem like "you'll grow out of it one day" I think this attitude comes from people who never really had an important time on a psychedellic or simply forgot any meaningful experiences that they may have had.
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I can identify with this. A lot of the kids I grew up with and tripped with for the first few times don't really understand psychedelics at all. My older brother is a good example of this. Although he has tripped on acid and mushrooms quite a few times when we were in high school and will occasionally still take a hit of acid or molly, he is completely perplexed by my extreme interest in psychedelics.

He clearly does not enjoy the mental aspect of it and he hasn't even experienced CEVs because he hasn't ever tried just closing his eyes and letting the chemical do it's thing. I used to talk about psychedelics a lot in front of him but I could tell it made him uncomfortable in a way because he considers them to be just another drug to get fucked on and has never had any meaningful experiences from them. Because of all this I just stopped mentioning my trips to him.
 
There seems to be a lot of hypocrites in this thread. People who get all high and mighty on their psychedelic horse, but bash alcohol users, doing the exact same thing most alcohol users do to them. I drink and do psychedelics, and I think the whole mindset of "y drug is EVIL" is really immature and for those with simple minds.
 
Relating to Damien, phoenix and dinosaur, my parents say the real journey will never start until I give up all my drug use, and that everything experienced under their influence is fake, and that it's not healthy to be hung up on any of that stuff. As they tell me this they are sipping wine and going outside for a cigarette.
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I don't agree with that. I just think that it's hard to logistically fit moderate psychedelic use in my life. When I was 16 I would wake up without a care in the world except maybe "How am I going to get stoned?"

Now I wake up changing diapers, feeding and entertaining kids, etc. For me, part of using psychedelics responsibly involves me asking myself questions like "Will I have to drive in the next eight hours?" "What if something happens and I need to tend to a child in the hospital?" stuff like that. Sure most of it is unlikely but they are still valid questions (and we all know the strangest IRL shit loves to happen when you're trippin good 'n hard).

FTR though, I love trippin and don't see stopping anytime soon but I've really slowed down a lot.
 
I think people who think psychedelics are for kids who have experience with them are the real kids in this situation. I am guessing that they either do not understand psychedelics or understand and are afraid.
 
Xorkoth said:
But yeah, loads of propaganda about all the common illegal drugs. Man, in like 89-94 when I was in grade school that shit was pretty much the same as Reefer Madness. I literally thought that you'd have to be totally insane to want to try to do Drugs.
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LOL that Nancy Reagan shriveled old cooter rhetoric was surprisingly effective in retrospect. :D

Who woulda thought?
 
K-Dazed said:
There seems to be a lot of hypocrites in this thread. People who get all high and mighty on their psychedelic horse, but bash alcohol users, doing the exact same thing most alcohol users do to them. I drink and do psychedelics, and I think the whole mindset of "y drug is EVIL" is really immature and for those with simple minds.
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I agree with you. There's a lot of elitism in the psychedelic culture. We try to keep that out of here, but everyone's got an opinion, you know? Personally I hate alcohol, but I'm not going to call it evil or look down on it. Some people like it and have no problem with it and it doesn't negatively impact their lives. And psychedelics can become an addiction as well (though much, much more rare).

All drugs are just tools. Whether they're bad or good to you depends on your body chemistry and how you use them.
 
Xorkoth said:
I agree with you. There's a lot of elitism in the psychedelic culture. We try to keep that out of here, but everyone's got an opinion, you know? Personally I hate alcohol, but I'm not going to call it evil or look down on it. Some people like it and have no problem with it and it doesn't negatively impact their lives. And psychedelics can become an addiction as well (though much, much more rare).

All drugs are just tools. Whether they're bad or good to you depends on your body chemistry and how you use them.
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Such a great way to think about it. I may state in multiple places on this site that I hate this drug or that but in my mind that means only for me not including you. As long as what your putting into your body isn't obviously deadly, I won't stop you. It is after all your body.
 
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