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How do the deliriant effects of Amanitas compare to the deliriant effects of Datura?

the_integerian

the_integerian

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I know both Amanita Muscaria and anticholinergics both are classified as deliriants in large amounts. How does the delirium caused by both compare. I know it is hard to describe effects to a layman but please try.
 
Man, how do people get stuck on these things!!!

Raw it's a sickening deleriant, ought NEVER be used that way!

Properly prepared its a psychedelic dissociative whose effects bear NO relation to Datura WHATSOEVER!!!!!!

Look at the other thread(s) about Amanitas, and there's links to instructions on how to convert the deleriant Ibotenic Acid in Amanitas into the psychedelic dissociative Muscimol (which has amazing & wonderful effects)
 
thats interesting that u say that do you think theres a way to perpepare it so its half deleriant half psychedelic dissociative. i think that would be neat a half muscimol half ibotenic acid.

deleriants scare the fuck out of me. but ive always fancied the idea of a dissociative, serotonin based psychedelic and deleriant all in one,

lol not to related to the topic but a low dose combo of all 3 types of hallucinogens is something i really wanna try

im thinking
2 hits of acid
200mg of dxm
and 250mg of dyphenhydramine
 
nativenick said:
thats interesting that u say that do you think theres a way to perpepare it so its half deleriant half psychedelic dissociative. i think that would be neat a half muscimol half ibotenic acid.
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WTF? Where did I say that? OK, this must be a troll. Please go ahead and eat a huge pile of raw amanitas, record it on video then post it on YouTube for us all to enjoy.
 
im not a troll fuck you. i never said i wanted to eat a pile of raw aminitas i was just curious if you could prepare it in a way that you could do a low enough dose of the deleriant effects. yet still retain the psychedelic dissociative properties. no need to be a dink. i was just asking a question
 
the person you responded to isn't the OP nor is he a troll. Also, he wasn't saying you said to do that, he was saying that it was interesting that you mentioned the conversion and it made him wonder if it would be possible to half convert it.

But the answer is no, it wouldn't, because ibotenic acid (the raw mushroom chemical) is actually toxic, you don't want to ingest it. Properly prepared/converted amanitas can be extremely dissociating but it's not really a deleriant at all, more of a really unique psychedelic that can have really crazy effects on time.
 
Also, you know, some people haven't researched their drugs yet. This OP came here to post a thread, trying to get some information. We as a community in this forum can choose how to respond to threads like this with less knowledgeable posters seeking information. I always try to be helpful and try to educate people on how to get good information and learn what they need to know on their own with existing information. It requires saying some of the same things to people or posting the same links seemingly over and over, but it gets a lot more people to good information than posting stuff that sounds lecturing or that's confrontational or is ridiculing the poster (I know you didn't do this in this case but it's another thing that happens).

Basically, it's just uncalled for. :)
 
nativenick said:
thats interesting that u say that do you think theres a way to perpepare it so its half deleriant half psychedelic dissociative. i think that would be neat a half muscimol half ibotenic acid.

deleriants scare the fuck out of me. but ive always fancied the idea of a dissociative, serotonin based psychedelic and deleriant all in one,

lol not to related to the topic but a low dose combo of all 3 types of hallucinogens is something i really wanna try

im thinking
2 hits of acid
200mg of dxm
and 250mg of dyphenhydramine
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I may be wrong.. but that sounds like a recipe for Serotonin Syndrome
 
Xorkoth said:
Also, you know, some people haven't researched their drugs yet. This OP came here to post a thread, trying to get some information. We as a community in this forum can choose how to respond to threads like this with less knowledgeable posters seeking information. I always try to be helpful and try to educate people on how to get good information and learn what they need to know on their own with existing information. It requires saying some of the same things to people or posting the same links seemingly over and over, but it gets a lot more people to good information than posting stuff that sounds lecturing or that's confrontational or is ridiculing the poster (I know you didn't do this in this case but it's another thing that happens).

Basically, it's just uncalled for. :)
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Thank you
 
Actually LSD + DXM is a pretty safe combo, but super intense. It's MDMA and serotonin releasers you don't want to EVER mix with DXM.

I'm not sure about diphenhydramine... whether it's safe to mix with DXM or not. I'd just leave it out personally. But then personally I'd just do the LSD. :)
 
naw man ive done acid and dxm before an amazing trip. its strange i dropped acid and did 300mg of dxm it felt like one of the least toxic dxm trips ive ever had. and thats after 5 or so 400mg + trips on dxm by itself. i think you are thinking of mdma + dxm thats a sure recipe for serotonin syndrome. dxm + phenethylamines seems sketchy to me and even still the only tryptamines/indoles i would do with dxm is mushrooms and lsd
 
Xorkoth said:
Actually LSD + DXM is a pretty safe combo, but super intense. It's MDMA and serotonin releasers you don't want to EVER mix with DXM.

I'm not sure about diphenhydramine... whether it's safe to mix with DXM or not. I'd just leave it out personally. But then personally I'd just do the LSD. :)
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Ahhhh I see.. Thanks for clearing that up for me Xorky :)

I knew MDMA + DXM was a no-no.. but I wasn't 100% sure on the LSD + DXM combo
 
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I used to use amanitas to 'lessen' the hangover effects of DXM. I'd take it while I was coming down and just starting to feel the hangover symptoms like dry mouth and the aminatas would lessen some of the head shit going on.

Maybe I just had particularly severe hangover, but dry mouth and head-fucked up were really prominent.
 
Xorkoth said:
Also, you know, some people haven't researched their drugs yet. This OP came here to post a thread, trying to get some information. We as a community in this forum can choose how to respond to threads like this with less knowledgeable posters seeking information. I always try to be helpful and try to educate people on how to get good information and learn what they need to know on their own with existing information. It requires saying some of the same things to people or posting the same links seemingly over and over, but it gets a lot more people to good information than posting stuff that sounds lecturing or that's confrontational or is ridiculing the poster (I know you didn't do this in this case but it's another thing that happens).

Basically, it's just uncalled for. :)
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You're right, and I respectfully apologize.

Sometimes I can be moody and get upset seeing the same sort of questions over and over and over again, but I guess that's just the nature of a forum like this and if I am to contribute I need to take that fully into consideration.

Also I truly did not understand the "half and half" comment, and thought that it seemed deliberately confused to get a reaction or something.

Again, please accept my apologies, I promise to learn and be as understanding and helpful as possible without rudeness or attitude or needless presumptions.
<3

Back on topic, I would agree there is no reason to ever want to consume Ibotenic acid... a pure muscimol experience is extremely seeker-worthy and can be quite profound, like your mind has been transported to some entire other plane of awareness. I feel a deleriant would not be a desirable combination, and would interfere with memory of and learning from the muscimol state.
 
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My question though is what is the traditional amanita consumption method? I've heard they eat the mushrooms then continually drink their own piss until they get the desired "trip" but kind of stopped reading at that point as the thought made me... yeah don't eat a heavy meal before reading about amanita usage...
 
Yes that is the traditional method... it seems body chemistry transforms more of Ibotenic acid to Muscimol, its said drying/simmering method does not convert it all, though I doubt that... It acts on your brain then is eliminated intact, so it can be re-used this way to preserve a limited cache of shrooms and stretch them to more people... I tried doing this once just to be brave... pee is totally sterile and safe to consume when first coming out (as long as you do not have bladder infection), ultra micro molecular filtering by kidneys is quite effective at eliminating all microbes & viruses. Anyway, hell if it didnt make the experience (nodding off and coming-to multiple times w/ epic psychedelic lucid mini-dreams) alot stronger!

But I am sure time/tradition just inflated conserving and ritual aspect to "you have to do it that way".

Same intensifying effect can be had I am sure by just making more of the shroom "tea" and redosing multiple times after you feel yourself getting off... it will strengthen the effect, but you dont really need pee, just more Muscimol in whatever form.
 
Yeah I'm well aware of how urine is the most sterile thing that comes out of the human body but still... The idea of drinking my own piss to trip harder is hard to swallow plus the fact that I'd be re-ingesting a lot of benzo metabolites.
 
In a shamanistic scenario, working up the strength of intent and will to deliberately break a taboo and drink pee is part of the psychological procedure, and intensifies it at that level... [What are you, a baby? "Ewww, icky-poo, I dont wanna... Wah! Wah!"] You have a reason to, to trip deeper and harder, you know it wont hurt you, so TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN REVULSION AT A META LEVEL AND TURN IT OFF AND GO BEYOND IT!

Many many "vision quest" processes incorporate some deliberately frightening and/or revolting act you must develop the strength to control your own fears/instincts before The Spirit deems you worthy of granting its special secret revelations to. Like an initiation experience... Like having to do horrible stuff before being admitted to the frat, its all similar: you are proving you are strong and worthy and fully in control of yourself in ALL WAYS, far beyond the ordinary mortal, and thus are deserving of special access to privileges and secrets. Understand?

Theres also a symbolic idea, like the snake that is symbolic of The Universe, swallowing its own tail, you are "consuming yourself" by drinking your own pee, like the universe creates itself as a dream, then enters into the dream and experiences itself, like drinking of its own substance, in order to learn more about itself. The ritual honors that as well, and takes you into that on a conscious and subconscious level. Understand?

But if you are not ready for all that "strength and self-control and symbolic offering nonsense", and cannot get over "Ewww, yucky!" responses, young grasshopper :) , and just want a stronger druggy buzz, just make extra shroom simmer extract and redose with that once you start to feel the initial "inebriation" setting in, that will work just as well on a simple drug-level to give you the deepest effects.
 
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