Real raves (for clarification in the USA "rave" refers to giant commerical shitfests)

[AmsterTram]

Hey Felix, a piece of advice....find out what type of music really makes you happy, then look for people playing it. Forget the drugs or the girls or the hair, concentrate on the music and you will then find the right parties. Peace and let me know next time you are in Amsterdam.

 

[tragiclemming]

I guess grew out of raves in 1995 or so, so please give me a fucking break.

The pinnacle of any scene is based on the music you like, we may not have the same tastes in music. There is no one single scene that is the best.

That being said, anyone over here listening to EDM should get down and kiss the great green earth in thanks for those that came before them. And many, many of the total originators came from the black community of the US. To hear that ain't shit is the same cultural superiority that has been coming out of the mouths of Europeans for 100s of years.

The fact that the 'defense' you could offer a musical scene is the drugs (yeah I know this is a drugs board) tells me about your priorities though.

I am curious, how long did you live in NYC?

Well, the title of the thread is about 'real raves' so it is relevant to this discussion
I don't disagree with anything you have said about the 'pioneers' and I am eternally grateful
Lived on the east coast (not just NYC) for approx 10 years. Spend less time there nowadays, but technically still a resident. Last visit was for Electric Zoo festival couple of weeks back.

 

[tragiclemming]

The fact that the 'defense' you could offer a musical scene is the drugs (yeah I know this is a drugs board) tells me about your priorities though.

Forgot this bit. Actually, the drugs and the music are inseparable IMO. Take away the drugs and you won't have this music scene. I can go to clubs/music events and not take drugs, but I prefer not to if I can help it

 

[AmsterTram]

Well, the title of the thread is about 'real raves' so it is relevant to this discussion
I don't disagree with anything you have said about the 'pioneers' and I am eternally grateful
Lived on the east coast (not just NYC) for approx 10 years. Spend less time there nowadays, but technically still a resident. Last visit was for Electric Zoo festival couple of weeks back.

Cool and sorry to come so hard, it was before my morning koffie, lol.

I know this thread is about raves (in fact Felix is a friend of mine) but the comment on EDM really set me off. It is quite common for people into any type of music to forget its roots. And for someone to diss a pioneer like David Mancuso (you obviously were not) well that tells me they really have no clue as to what they are talking about.

Ghostface, next time Mancuso throws a Loft Party in London, PM me and I will get you on in touch with the people who send out the invitation. And prepare yourself for a journey you have never taken. And get a copy of 'Last Night a DJ Saved My Life' and read it cover to cover.

Last point, I think its wack to say genre X is better than genre Y. Which is why I am not going to diss the producers Ghostface mentioned. Everyone has their own thing, but IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS HOUSE.....and it didn't come from Ibiza....peace.

 

[AmsterTram]

Forgot this bit. Actually, the drugs and the music are inseparable IMO. Take away the drugs and you won't have this music scene. I can go to clubs/music events and not take drugs, but I prefer not to if I can help it

Then I guess that means I live in paradise! LOL

 

[AmsterTram]

One more thing, not trying to minimize the huge part played by Europe in the early days with Kraftwerk, Moroder, Visage, and producers like Tony Carasco.

 

[NiesenmachtSpaß]

Any Timmy, do you even know who the fuck that is? You heard of a little place called the SHELTER in NYC where he has been playing 5AM-5PM sets since you before you were even shitting in your diapers.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

You can't say drugs weren't involved in that scene then say he plays 12 hour sets! there's no way that he could do that without a bit of charlie at least

 

[AmsterTram]

You can't say drugs weren't involved in that scene then say he plays 12 hour sets! there's no way that he could do that without a bit of charlie at least

Do you really think all the superstar DJs flying all over the world are all doing drugs. This is their profession and they make too much scratch from it to be taking drugs all their life. Timmy is in his late 40s or even 50, I am not sure.

Look at rider for someone like Marshall Jefferson, he strictly prohibits drugs in the box or in his dressing room (yeah, that begs the questions how did he write that Mushroom song, lol?).

Anyway, I never said drugs had no influence, but that it was not really X. More LSD, for example, at the Paradise Garage. At least at the beginning. X did not create the scene in the US to the degree it did in the UK.

 

[rakketakke]

Profile: Set up in 1992 by three white and Eurasian middle-class nerd punks who had just moved into the squat zone of central The Hague from the suburban newtowns of Zoetermeer and Alphen a/d Rijn (where Rude 66 also hails from). Since no label was interested to release the music of Unit Moebius, their (now legendary) 'acid planet' squat parties in The Hague, with twelve hours of non-stop comatose acid-house music, no lights but heavy strobes and a very freaked out audience (partially due to the strong and pure LSD sold by one of the Unit Moebius members) of punks, squatters, junkies and patients from two nearby psychiatric institutes, made it possible to release Bunker 001 and 002. The next two releases were paid with money made with selling LSD (silver surfers!). Soon the fucked up standards for The Hague's hard, dark and crazy industrial techno music were set and the acid scene exploded.
More freaks, more drugs, more artists, more music, so Bunker started to release records by other musicians to support the local scene. Many records, CD's, tapes, comics and videos followed. Despite the downfall of Unit Moebius (a soap opera about drugs (speed!), women, money, psychoses and depressions) in 1997, the decline of The Hague's acid scene (more speed!, ketamin, heroin, crack, hospital admissions, overdoses, suicides and other unnatural causes of death, mind fucking, paranoia and all kinds of psychiatric ailments) and the financial bankruptcy of the label in early 1998 (due to non-paying distributors).

Hehehehe, ever went to one of those AmsterTram ?

This thread is quite amusing up to now; does it really matter where the music came from and what racial colour someone has... Seriously, with an attitude like that it doesn't suprise me that you haven't experienced "real raves"

And to end your discussion: It started out in the US... But the fun only started when it got to Europe (DRUGS N LOTS OF EM)

 

[AmsterTram]

Profile: Set up in 1992 by three white and Eurasian middle-class nerd punks who had just moved into the squat zone of central The Hague from the suburban newtowns of Zoetermeer and Alphen a/d Rijn (where Rude 66 also hails from). Since no label was interested to release the music of Unit Moebius, their (now legendary) 'acid planet' squat parties in The Hague, with twelve hours of non-stop comatose acid-house music, no lights but heavy strobes and a very freaked out audience (partially due to the strong and pure LSD sold by one of the Unit Moebius members) of punks, squatters, junkies and patients from two nearby psychiatric institutes, made it possible to release Bunker 001 and 002. The next two releases were paid with money made with selling LSD (silver surfers!). Soon the fucked up standards for The Hague's hard, dark and crazy industrial techno music were set and the acid scene exploded.
More freaks, more drugs, more artists, more music, so Bunker started to release records by other musicians to support the local scene. Many records, CD's, tapes, comics and videos followed. Despite the downfall of Unit Moebius (a soap opera about drugs (speed!), women, money, psychoses and depressions) in 1997, the decline of The Hague's acid scene (more speed!, ketamin, heroin, crack, hospital admissions, overdoses, suicides and other unnatural causes of death, mind fucking, paranoia and all kinds of psychiatric ailments) and the financial bankruptcy of the label in early 1998 (due to non-paying distributors).

Hehehehe, ever went to one of those AmsterTram ?

This thread is quite amusing up to now; does it really matter where the music came from and what racial colour someone has... Seriously, with an attitude like that it doesn't suprise me that you haven't experienced "real raves"

And to end your discussion: It started out in the US... But the fun only started when it got to Europe (DRUGS N LOTS OF EM)

Thanks for the education bro. I assume you have been to the Warehouse or Paradise Garage when you say there was no fun or no drugs? gtfoh

As for the racial angle, it is one you European miss time and time again (there is no racism in Belgium, right?). It is not that Europe did not blow the shit up in their own way, its the fact that so many fail to understand where the music came from. It did not come from middle class white kids, but poor, disenfranchised minorities, whether gay, black, latino or whatever living in the cities of the US in the 70s and early 80s. So when someone who seems to think Fabric is the beginning and end of clubbing says that the US scene ain't shit, well that is like someone telling me that blues was not shit until the Rolling Stones appropriated (stole) it.

When people move to the PLUR bullshit, that house is some universal music, they are (perhaps) subconsciously minimizing that house and techno is black music first. Black culture has been appropriated time and time again by white culture, only to be turned around, re-packaged and sold back to them as some sort of either a) universal or b) white music. You do realize it all basically came outta disco too?? Another black genre white-washed, ala Sat. Night Fever.

I understand Europeans don't 'get' race for a million reasons, but to simply dismiss the facts is naive, imho.

Do you ever listen to Red D or San Soda? Two Belgians making some ace house music these days?

 

[rakketakke]

You respond quite agressive...

Why?

And no I don't believe i've ever listened to them, i'm not a house fan... Acid house once in a while.

Your European yourself. I referred to "fun" as the moment house music hit Europe & when drugs came to play.

I know that usage was almost non-existant at it's roots.

Doe is rustig. kom, jointje roke : )

 

[rakketakke]

And really how could that post be towards me? Have I spouted anything racist and where did I dismiss any facts at all?

 

[AmsterTram]

You respond quite agressive...

Why?

And no I don't believe i've ever listened to them, i'm not a house fan... Acid house once in a while.

Your European yourself. I referred to "fun" as the moment house music hit Europe & when drugs came to play.

I know that usage was almost non-existant at it's roots.

Doe is rustig. kom, jointje roke : )

I am not coming aggressive man, not at all. Sorry if it came across that way. But I also can't see how where the music came from does not matter.

I was responding to your comment that since I brought up the racial angle of the music, you know what I am not into raves.

I am a mix of American and European by the but not Dutch...

But you are really totally incorrect that drugs were not a big part of its roots. On Friday nights at the Paradise Garage in NYC there was a punch bowl with LSD in it. Weed, speed, coke, mushrooms, lsd and ludes all played a big party in the gay party/disco scene.

 

[AmsterTram]

And really how could that post be towards me? Have I spouted anything racist and where did I dismiss any facts at all?

Chill man, it was more of a general comment.

Dit is een plek om te leren toch? Ik ben gewoon het geven van enkele van mijn ervaringen ..

I sent you a PM but I just realized you can't respond since you are still under the greenlighter status.

 

[rakketakke]

I am not coming aggressive man, not at all. Sorry if it came across that way.

I was responding to your comment that since I brought up the racial angle of the music, you know what I am not into raves.

I am a mix of American and European by the but not Dutch...

But you are really totally incorrect that drugs were not a big part of its roots. On Friday nights at the Paradise Garage in NYC there was a punch bowl with LSD in it. Weed, speed, coke, mushrooms, lsd and ludes all played a big party in the gay party/disco scene.

LOL

Disco is hardcore . Ludes as in quaaludes? Wish I could get my hands on those.

Anyway I wouldn't know, I mostly listen to acid/tekno/tribe & various core genres.

 

[rakketakke]

Yeah, I tried to respond: I've been to Amsterdam a few times. I buy larger batches of LSD there, hehehe.

 

[blauwelichten]

Light years behind, oh really. I love it when white Europeans tell Americans (who invented house and techno) that their scene sucks. Excuse me dude, go the Shelter in NYC at 10AM to see Timmy Regisford, or Tony Humphries, or visit a David Mancuso party then tell me the US is light years behind.

Sounds great mate...only problem is...full of americans, all those annoying voices, you wouldn't know who to headbutt first.

 

[androoo]

Bangface is always a quality night out. They try and capture the spirit of the early 90's hardcore rave days. Next one is in October.

lil bit of a set from the weekender...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X31mRGWJZaw

 

[AmsterTram]

Sounds great mate...only problem is...full of americans, all those annoying voices, you wouldn't know who to headbutt first.

Before this degenerates into stuff like this, I am gonna bow out and wish everyone a nice weekend. If you are coming to Amsterdam and need some pointers, hit me up anytime.

peace

 

[parttime crackhead]

So if I was black would me opinion have more weight in your opinion ? Should I post a pic of my dick, will that make you feel better?


If you wanted to quote quality underground house music from the states you could of thrown a name like Seth Troxler at me, or for harder sounds, maybe Matthew Dear, but, what do you, Timmy Regisford hahahahhaha....

And the US in not only NY, LA and SF... Jesus country is fucking big mate!

Acid house was born in Europe, then filtered through the States, Detroit, Chicago etc which is what in turn became techno, house... I have no intention to argue as to where are the origins of EDM music on this board. That is typical American stereotype bullshit, We Invented Everything Complex...

So 'DUDE' maybe you should do some reading at more importantly listening, and by listening, maybe start with the quality music made there, David Mancuso, next thing you will be saying is that David Morales is quality...

This is the best post on this page by a mile. Some of the other shouts are wild. What's with all the "white european" chat???

I'd like to hear the more underround US techno/house etc because most of the stuff I hear is garbage, although I don't doubt that there is quality stuff out there. It's maybe just a bit easier being a WHITE EUROPEAN (OMFGODDDDDZ!!!!) to come across WHITE (MUTHAFUUUUUUCKIN') EUROPEAN dance music. Maybe if I was a BLACK AMERICAN (WHUT!) I would hear more decent US techno etc other than the good stuff coming out of Detroit.

Troxler & Matthew Dear - Both great shouts btw man. Top DJs.

Sounds great mate...only problem is...full of americans, all those annoying voices, you wouldn't know who to headbutt first.

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