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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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SkagKush said:
doctors r wack bro, never no whats going on in there 'educated" heads.
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actually....the way i think of it is....doctors are people....just like us.....and we, the people, are sometimes "wack" too. There is no reason doctors shouldnt suffer from all the social and personal ailments that the public suffers from just because they have a pHD.

For example, do you realize how many doctors out there are drug addicts? Most people would be suprised at the answer.
 
yes, dr's can be whack. they know what pharm reps tell them and what they learn from the PDR. honestly THAT is the reason i enjoy bluelight. you get the other side of things that a text book cant tell you; the users' experience of the drug.

dont you just love when you experience a side effect and the dr says "thats impossible."? sometimes they think too much. just because it isnt in the monograph doesnt mean its not existant.

the problem i have with drs is that i know A LOT about drugs. i can say in confidence i know much much more than they do. you can call it grandiosity but really its just that i get uncomfortable when it becomes apparent i know more than the person treating me. of course they get defensive and passive aggressive too. the WORST thing you can do is try to show a dr up on your knowledge of drugs. nobody likes a know it all. consequently nobody likes having their script dropped or mitigated. hehe.
 
playing dumb with a feigned interest is the best bet. you will just appear as an obsessed drug addict if you can recite the fully chemical name for MDMA. i did it in class, oh the stares. "methylendioxymethamphetamine....i mean metha hexy what?"
 
homeydontplaythat said:
yes, dr's can be whack. they know what pharm reps tell them and what they learn from the PDR. honestly THAT is the reason i enjoy bluelight. you get the other side of things that a text book cant tell you; the users' experience of the drug.

dont you just love when you experience a side effect and the dr says "thats impossible."? sometimes they think too much. just because it isnt in the monograph doesnt mean its not existant.

the problem i have with drs is that i know A LOT about drugs. i can say in confidence i know much much more than they do. you can call it grandiosity but really its just that i get uncomfortable when it becomes apparent i know more than the person treating me. of course they get defensive and passive aggressive too. the WORST thing you can do is try to show a dr up on your knowledge of drugs. nobody likes a know it all. consequently nobody likes having their script dropped or mitigated. hehe.
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I guess im different than you....I HATE being able to tell a doc I experienced a side effect and them say that its impossible....it pisses them off, like you said, ive noticed that if I even give a hint to my doctor that I know more than him/her about a given subject, than he/she will reduce the quality of care given to me, sometimes without them even realizing it. they get so upset, and defensive, that it compromises there ability to properly treat you. And THAT is no fun in my book. I noticed this happens more with female docotrs than male doctors....ie....they get MUCH more upset about my knowledge, much quicker, and much more often than male doctors. I think this is because women feel like they are expected to only do "womens things" by society(even though women have had equal rights for quite some time now) so that when they accomplish something like becoming a doctor they feel like they are "SO AMAZING/ACCOMPLISHED" that anyone who happens to know something that they dont, comes across as a threat to them and there "accomplished womanhood". i also think this has to do with womens natural tendency to misinterpret lots of things as "threats". Atleast most the women in my life all seemed to turn into raging wolverines any time a prettier/smarter woman walked intom the room....i.e...a percieved threat that more than likely has nothing to do with her or her intelligence/attractiveness.
 
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ya, after i read the suboxone website and told my doc that he put me on the bupe much slower than the site allows. he got very defensive. but thats bs, cause during that time i was suffering.
 
SkagKush said:
ya, after i read the suboxone website and told my doc that he put me on the bupe much slower than the site allows. he got very defensive. but thats bs, cause during that time i was suffering.
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yea...honestly i dont reccommend EVER saying anything to your doctor that would make them feel that you know something they dont or that they made a mistake. Obviously there are some instances where you SHOULD tell them they made a mistake, but I would try to avoid it at all costs.

And if you do decide to tell them somehting like you mention SkagKush....I would print out your evidence/proof and show it to them as your saying it so they have little room to deny your claims. And putting them on the spot will give them less time to come up with a crackpot MD theory about why your evidence is invalid....which, i guarantee you happens alot more than people realize, because after all, doctors are people, and people are idiots.
 
just keep your mouth shut and bob your head with a look of confusion....its what they are used to. seriously. this is the reason i never benefited from psychotherapy. when it came time to prescribing drugs i would always argue. i mean im not going to let some cocksucker prescibe be antipsychotics when im not psychotic at all. and what about my raging anxiety which is why i came to the appnt in the first place.....no benzos you say? you reccomend an SSRI or a fucking antihistamine? fuck you dr dicklicker.

you wanna know how i got prescribed lyrica? i had to tell them i was already on it. there is NO other way. thats how bad it is with them.
 
thats how i get my xanax, clinic shopping with an empty bottle... cant now tho. stupid suboxone piss tests.
 
Well I'm going to fill out this welfare app and probably but hopefully not get denied but they will set you up with lower rate insurance based on your income even if its not in their income rating. Need to figure out something most ppl where I'm from our getting cut back on their dose from like 90 a month to 7 a week because of the lack of funding and how many ppl on welfare insurance going to the doc for subs. So they can't even sell them anymore, and I'm sick of being sick and been buying h. Which we all know is a bad road to go down again. That's funny about your tv doctor though.


shanefrommaine said:
For my Suboxone doctor--visit prices:
1st visit (video link): $300 cash (no insurance, checks, or partial payments anymore)
1st prescription is for two weeks always at first. so you will get 14 days worth of your dose
2nd visit (in office appt): $150 cash (still same)
Maybe you go to three weeks worth of pills. Each visit from here on will be $150 every month or however long your doctor prescribes you.

Personally i'm covered by MaineCare that takes care of 100% of prescription cost, because for as low as 21 every three weeks, it is roughly $178 for the prescription.
if you have no income, means of staying clean, or insurance to cover the purchase of the pills from the pharmacy at least than this may be a much more difficult route than the clinic, in all honesty.
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awww fuck those damn suboxone films are making me nervous but it seems as if its only suboxone and not subutex so maybe were in the clear? so does anyone have any legit proof on if they are actually going to stop selling suboxone and subutex in pill form after theyve distrubuted the films fully?

jamesBrown said:
what do you mean?....your not allowed to be prescribed a benzo while on suboxone?
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do you get prescribed benzos with your doc? cause if you do that would be sweet, benzos really potentiate the bupe atleast i think it doeas
 
Paulination said:
awww fuck those damn suboxone films are making me nervous but it seems as if its only suboxone and not subutex so maybe were in the clear? so does anyone have any legit proof on if they are actually going to stop selling suboxone and subutex in pill form after theyve distrubuted the films fully?



do you get prescribed benzos with your doc? cause if you do that would be sweet, benzos really potentiate the bupe atleast i think it doeas
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I am prescribed 2 seperate benzos along with my suboxone.

I get clonazepam and temazepam. And no...they do not "potentiate" the suboxone. Benzos are anxiolitic drugs, so they give me relaxing effects, the suboxone gives me opiate-like euphoric effects....because its an opiate. The two mixed together just feel like im relaxed and opiated. they dont really potentiate each other. Its just like being on 2 seperate drugs.

*also....i highly doubt they will get rid of the tablet form of suboxone...one....my doctor told me they would still be available.....and two...on the website where they list all the prescribing information and inactive ingredients, and etc. etc... for the new sublingual suboxone films....i think it was an fda website....i linked to it on another post earlier today but lost the link now....ANYWAY.....on that website they specifically give instructions on how to properly switch from taking the suboxone strips, back to taking the tablet formation.....now why would they take the time to give those instructions on a medical document if they werent planning on having the suboxone tablets around to switch back too?
 
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My bupe doctor wrote me 15 Restoril not to long ago. He actually used my cell phone to look up the drug to write it LOL. Then again I have a way with doctors that is well not typical.
 
I'm kinda a bit worried here..I currently get 30 x 8mg suboxone tablets per month and my preferred ROA is insufflation. I don't want to get this film. From what I've read it seems theres a choice? How can I try to get my usual tablets over the film? Will he even give me the option or tell me? When he writes the script is it going to be a different prescription? I can't really think of a reason to opt asking for subutex aside from it has a generic which may be cheaper. I really just want to keep my usual pills.
 
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I'm kinda a bit worried here..I currently get 30 x 8mg suboxone tablets per month and my preferred ROA is insufflation. I don't want to get this film. From what I've read it seems theres a choice? How can I try to get my usual tablets over the film? Will he even give me the option or tell me? When he writes the script is it going to be a different prescription? I can't really think of a reason to opt asking for subutex aside from it has a generic which may be cheaper. I really just want to keep my usual pills.
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There really isnt a good way for us to answer these questions.....we dont know your doctor. Each doctor is different, yours as well, and this means that he could try to switch to the the strips or he may keep you on the tablets....who knows?

But if he tries to switch you to the strips and you dont want that, I dont know what to tell you. You could try telling him that your happy wih the tablets and you dont want to switch them or if I were you I would just fill the prescription of sublingual films and then tell himn a day or two later that you are having horrible side effects from it and you dont know why.

I dont know exactly what they are gonna write on the prescription pad but im prettty sure they have to write something different for the film instead of the tablet.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
That is my thought exactly.

Because I was able to only go once per month, quitting with Suboxone was comfortable, easy, and made me feel secure and safe. I didn't feel subjected to a doctor running unnecessary drug tests, etc. I was in and out in 5 minutes, and other than the intake visit, I have probably only been with the doctor for like less than 1 hour in reality, with each visit amounting to only 5 minutes.

The more visits and more "scrutinizing" doctors do, the less drug addicts want to seek out help in the first place.
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My experience was similar to yours with my first subs dr... 5 min appointments and no drug screens. Got 28 day take homes after 1 month. Now I have another dr and he sees me about 15 mins and does a urine screen every month.... I like the 2nd dr best because he gives me benzos too and the first wouldn't. So I'm ok with the trade off. It keeps my pot smoking to a minimum of about 1 week a month too which is good and bad.
 
I think it's blatantly obvious that RB is going to try and phase out the pill form. I am betting that the only reason they didn't was because they couldn't for several reasons - one of them most likely being there is some law about discontinuing a specific form of medication abruptly. (I'm guessing)

I've read just about everything on their site (and many others) and it really appears that this is their ultimate goal. They even changed the header on their website to say "SUBOXONE® Sublingual Film."

Of course I know a lot of it is typical pharmaceutical advertising (and obvious evergreening) but combine that with everything else I've read and that's the impression I get.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure both are going to be available for quite a while from RB, along with the generics but then it boils down to what the Dr. wants to prescribe you.

I KNOW the sub Dr's are being pressured by Reckitt Benckiser to transition as many patients as they can to the film.

My Sub Dr. ordered me to get a psychological evaluation because he believes I need to be on ADD medication (and he thinks I'm strange - but that's in another thread.)

My insurance dictates that I must see a counselor before I can see a psychiatrist, which I did the day before yesterday. I don't have an appt. with the actual psychiatrist (who also prescribes Sub) until the beginning of next month.

The counselor I spoke with didn't say much to me -- ALL HE DID WAS TALK ABOUT THE NEW FILM. He knew everything, and even mentioned the discount card. He also told me that they are trying to rid normal PCP's from the Suboxone program due to pressure from the DEA. He said LOTS of Dr's are getting in big trouble and that the DEA believes that Sub should only be prescribed by psychiatrists. He also said there is a huge liability for under-educated Dr's prescribing Sub. How much of that is true, I don't know... Just 10-5'n what I was told.

For what it's worth...
 
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