Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[cj]

^^
My insurance wont cover the doctor visits but they pay a large chunk of the prescription costs.

 

[DeLee]

That is sooo FUCKED #1 I t hought the point of subs are so u can take that shit home and have a script for a month from the get go. If you haven't already I suggest you loook at the suboxone doctor locator on the Suboxne web site and get a new doctor... And Suboxone will never "hold " you the way I think your looking for it to. Pretty much If you dont take the advice to go to a new suboxone doctor and figure out the low dose suboxone gets you to hold better and you dose multible times a day at like .5 mg a dose so a mg a day. Anyway unless you do this (IV Suboxone .5 mg Dose 2 time daily) and can find a new doctor to give u that full month script. I would either man Up like I should have or GO to the methadone clinic. which it sounds like you go to anyway but u choose to get subs for some reason. I dont say this to b a dick Im just being honest with you. Methadone sucks ass tho So I hope you just man up... But if you need to me "held" then go on THE methadone ....


WOW WTF Why the fuck are they ever thinking to give anyone under 18 Suboxone. I know addiction is not an age thing. But if you live under your parents roof or you are homeless and 16 your too damn young to cop out and go on subs... THis is just my opion. ITs foolish they would think this could better the kids life. I see it only getting them closer to people who do drugs etc...

Individual Docs don't prescribe Bupe here.
You go and get into a Sub & Methadone clinic - wait 1-2 years because the line is soooo long to get in.

Why we have to get our doses at the clinic is because SO many have sold their subs, and ALOT of people get hooked on Sub alot of times they have never done any other opioid.

I have been on Sub and Methadone before, not in this country though.
Anyway i want to be able to get the desired effects of Subs.. if i don't get the satisfaction anymore i will talk to my doctors about Methadone... but its hard to get Methadone.

And what kid are you talking about?
Im 40 years of age and I do have a son.

Someone told me that the strips are gonna completly replace the orange pills is this true? That would really suck I like snorting mine especially after a run with heroin nothing gets rid of the sick like a couple mgs of sub up each nostrel.

Buprenorphine is water/alcohol soluble - right. So you could just soak the strips in strong alcohol - 80-200proof and then either filter the alcohol or just pour it onto a plate and wait for the alcohol to evaporate and leave the Buprenophine on the plate..

It should work if im thinking straight..

 

[jamesBrown]

Individual Docs don't prescribe Bupe here.
You go and get into a Sub & Methadone clinic - wait 1-2 years because the line is soooo long to get in.

Why we have to get our doses at the clinic is because SO many have sold their subs, and ALOT of people get hooked on Sub alot of times they have never done any other opioid.

If you dont mind me asking where is "here"? Canada?

 

[DeLee]

Most assuredly they cannot be snorted but they may be able to be injected.

Are you sure?
My theory - Buprenorphine is soluble in Water/Alcohol. Then just soak the strips in a certain amount of strong alcohol like 80-200 proof.
Then let it sit for a while then pour or filter the alcohol onto a plate and wait for the alcohol to evaporate and you should be left with Buprenorphine?

By the way - what are these strips name?
Photos of them would be awesome too!

 

[homeydontplaythat]

internet explorer SUCKS BALLS. i cant get that link to load. thats what i get for trying to get my drug nerd rocks off in class.

 

[jamesBrown]

Are you sure?
My theory - Buprenorphine is soluble in Water/Alcohol. Then just soak the strips in a certain amount of strong alcohol like 80-200 proof.
Then let it sit for a while then pour or filter the alcohol onto a plate and wait for the alcohol to evaporate and you should be left with Buprenorphine?

By the way - what are these strips name?
Photos of them would be awesome too!

post #7....five posts above yours has a link to a picture of the new strips, and the packaging.

what is there name?.....suboxone....the name hasnt changed....its just "suboxone sublingual film" now instead of "suboxone sublingual tablets". Well, actually there are BOTH of those now....but the new ones are simply called suboxone "film"....no new name...just new form.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

for injection (just like with a pill) you should always use a micron filter.. i go to the sub doc on the 1st and i will see if i get the strips.. but my theory would be to put desired amount of strips in a luer lock syringe with adequate amount of sterile water and let strips dissolve in the water and then run it through the micron filter into sterile vial and you *should* have injectable suboxone just as if you did it with the tablets.. the reason i think the strips will dissolve perfectly in water and the bupe will go through the micron filter because 1- bupe is water soluble so it will mix with the water and not be filtered out with the inactives that are not water soluble, and 2- they should dissolve w/o any gelling of any kind because they are made for sublingual so if they gelled in water they would gel in your mouth making it pointless to even make them.

and for snorting.. mix with water (you can snort the dissolved strip as liquid if you want) but if not, filter through a cotton or coffee filter and let the filtered liquid evaporate and you *should* be left with snortable powder containing the bupe.

~I will test these *THEORIES* myself when/ if i get strips of my own, but if anyone with the strips wants to try these methods please go ahead and share the results, if it ruins/wastes a couple strips i apologize.. this is just me using an educated guess on how to use/ abuse these. %)

and just mentioning one more time to clarify I HAVE NOT TESTED THESE METHODS YET.

have fun. be safe.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Thank you for the list of inactive ingredients, I will get onto researching into this now.

As for the OP/this topic: we have and can discuss this in the Suboxone Mega Thread.

There is also a picture of the sublingual strip in the first post of the new Suboxone Mega Thread (the link to it is in my signature).

and for snorting.. mix with water (you can snort the dissolved strip as liquid if you want) but if not, filter through a cotton or coffee filter and let the filtered liquid evaporate and you *should* be left with snortable powder containing the bupe.

And you could also make a solution and use it in a nasal spray pump.

 

[Ronald MacDonald]

I've successfully taken 1mg of Sub for 5 days now and I'm feeling much better. %)%)%) My head feels much clearer and I am able to think more clearly. I feel like two more days and I'm ready to taper.

Captain or anyone else: What would you recommend reducing my dosage to? .75mg or.5mg?

 

[jamesBrown]

I would say go to 0.5 mg's. Thats what ive been taking for a long time and its made me feel very euphoric every day.

Im not sure though what your ultimate goal is. are you trying to get off the suboxone or stay maintaned on them?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

-if you dont have a micron filter just fit several layers of coffee filter the diameter of the barrel in the there. backload and push solution through. comes out clear as day (have you ever taken a micron filter apart? its essentially a really fine coffee filter).

Except a coffee filter isn't made out of polyvinylidene fluoride.

hmm this is disconcerting, i have a kind of old buprenorphine solution about 2 weeks old i filtered it with cotton but i accidently mixed some water with the pure saline/suboxone solution. i noticed a weird smell from the dry stuff on the outer part of the bottle but the inside smells fine. i was hoping to mix miniscule amounts of this bottle with the subutex salin nose spray solution.would this be bad for just IV? because i just use it intranasal only, so do i have to worry about bacteria then?

I am not really sure to be honest. I definitely wouldn't use it for IV, but you can always try snorting it. If there is bacteria in the solution this can be bad (i.e. cause a sinus infection) but I think that this is less likely than a "dirty hit" from IVing it.

If your solution isn't clear and you can see something in it (that wasn't there before) then you should definitely throw it out.

 

[Ronald MacDonald]

My plan is to get off the Suboxone as soon as possible so the WD from the bup itself is minimal. I plan on taking a 10mg Oxycodone (to offset the bup WD) on the first day of stopping bup completely - then 5mg Oxycodone the next day - then hopefully nothing at all.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

A question to those on Bupe.
I go every day and get my dose at around 1200, i have 12mg/day now but it will be raised to 16mg soon.

My problem is that the effects of Bupe doesn't hold me up all day, the effects dimish at around 1600-1800.
Will higher doses make the effects last longer?

Cause i gotta go to the clinic every day for 6 months before i get "take-home-doses" and at that point i could spread the doses throughout the day.

It can, but it would make more sense to take 8mg and then another 8mg later on in the day.

Actually......ALOT of countries dont have the same policies as the U.S when it comes to suboxone prescription. In fact I think Canada is more strict in that they dont allow take home scripts until several months into the prgram. That poster probably lives in Canada, or soem other country where the laws are different.

Not Canada, think Europe.

The clinic has me coming in weekly for my oxy.

They say safety 1st - and they wanna make sure i wwake up every day.

I explained to them i will not EVER EVER take more than my rx daily and the reason i did was cuz i was outgoingly activr and moving around a lot ... etc...
These past 4 weeks have been bi-weekly*

Hopefully my doc will someday agree to take me on again and we begin a monthly thing ..

That logic is backwards, because they aren't having you come in daily....

 

[jamesBrown]

My plan is to get off the Suboxone as soon as possible so the WD from the bup itself is minimal. I plan on taking a 10mg Oxycodone (to offset the bup WD) on the first day of stopping bup completely - then 5mg Oxycodone the next day - then hopefully nothing at all.

well, I can tell you that ive been taking about 0.5 mg doses of suboxone 1-4 times a day for some time now and Im not dependent on it at all. Ive taken several breaks from the drug(without having to take other opiates) that lasted anywhere from 2-15 days....not once did I have any withdrawal effects. I hope that helps you.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I've successfully taken 1mg of Sub for 5 days now and I'm feeling much better. %)%)%) My head feels much clearer and I am able to think more clearly. I feel like two more days and I'm ready to taper.

Captain or anyone else: What would you recommend reducing my dosage to? .75mg or.5mg?

Sure if you feel ready for it! I'm glad to hear you feel more clear headed, that's great!

 

[DkBlaze1]

Individual Docs don't prescribe Bupe here.
You go and get into a Sub & Methadone clinic - wait 1-2 years because the line is soooo long to get in.

Why we have to get our doses at the clinic is because SO many have sold their subs, and ALOT of people get hooked on Sub alot of times they have never done any other opioid.

I have been on Sub and Methadone before, not in this country though.
Anyway i want to be able to get the desired effects of Subs.. if i don't get the satisfaction anymore i will talk to my doctors about Methadone... but its hard to get Methadone.

And what kid are you talking about?
Im 40 years of age and I do have a son.



Buprenorphine is water/alcohol soluble - right. So you could just soak the strips in strong alcohol - 80-200proof and then either filter the alcohol or just pour it onto a plate and wait for the alcohol to evaporate and leave the Buprenophine on the plate..

It should work if im thinking straight..

Two things Im sure you know it already but Methadone Is something that once you get on it you should Never come off this is a really really Large life choice. I have yet to get on the done cuz I can't give up my life to opiates I'myoung enough that giving up now WOuld make me a spineless Pussy wart. Anyway just deeply consider the Methadone, Doctors who prescribe it for Pain to people only do so If they know they are going to Keep the person On it untill they die. SO if this is the case relize once you get off methadone it may take years to feel normal. and about the kid thing I was RAnting about someone elses post I sawq that they will give kids 16 and up SUboxone which is sooo fucked I can't start. But anyway I hope I helped you rethink shit . U prolly know all I ssaid already before I was born haha

 

[jamesBrown]

Two things Im sure you know it already but Methadone Is something that once you get on it you should Never come off this is a really really Large life choice. I have yet to get on the done cuz I can't give up my life to opiates I'myoung enough that giving up now WOuld make me a spineless Pussy wart. Anyway just deeply consider the Methadone, Doctors who prescribe it for Pain to people only do so If they know they are going to Keep the person On it untill they die. SO if this is the case relize once you get off methadone it may take years to feel normal. and about the kid thing I was RAnting about someone elses post I sawq that they will give kids 16 and up SUboxone which is sooo fucked I can't start. But anyway I hope I helped you rethink shit . U prolly know all I ssaid already before I was born haha

I think you are going a little far by saying that everyone who gets on methadone gets on it for life....or that "once you get on methadone you should never come off". Why would someone not slowly taper off of the methadone when they are ready? I dont understand your logic.....some people may wish to stay on the methadone for life but most people try to think of the methadone as a stepping stone down from there DOC addiction, one step closer to being completely free of opiates.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hey guys, I just looked up the inactive ingredients in the new Suboxone film strip, and it can be IV'd.

The only ingredient that isn't clearly labeled is the white ink they use to detonate the strength per each strip.

If you can scrape off the white ink, I don't see why you can't safely IV this just like Suboxone.

One of the inactive ingredients (hydroxypropyl methylcellulose) is also in Ambien tablets (so I know that people have IV'd it, not that it's safe, but that it isn't going to gel when in contact with water like the new OP's or anything).

PEG, maltitol (a sweetener), and the rest of the ingredients in Suboxone.

The lemon/lime flavor is just a lime flavor apparently, and that is the last difference.

As far as I'm concerned, for people using micron filters, the strips are probably just as safe for IV use (as long as you can scrape off the white ink - this is the only ingredient that isn't named specifically and I have no idea what they're using for "white ink").

 

[SkagKush]

jamesbrown was right, im half way through the first month, and usually they take 3 months till ur full month take home prescription. my doc said he could do it in two if im good.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

some people may wish to stay on the methadone for life but most people try to think of the methadone as a stepping stone down from there DOC addiction, one step closer to being completely free of opiates.

^ i literally did use it as a stepping stone.. OC's->H->OC's->Methadone->Suboxone->me still clean on subs