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Opioids Defeating the new OC time release

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So how will does that MEK thing works? Is it worth trying?

So I need to first crush it into fine powder put it in spoon and then add MEK to it??
 
What I posted in the smaller OP extraction thread :

"A lot of people are going about this the entirely wrong way... Using methods that are really just shots in the dark it seems. Ingesting acetone is dangerous and not needed!

I figured out how to extract concerta and have a tutorial I wrote in the OD directory, and have also cracked vyvanse time release as well... So I have some experience with this sorta stuff. It seems to be my knack! :P

It seems there are two ways to do simple extractions : Using completely soluble solvents, or completely insoluble solvents. The latter is somewhat harder.

The rumor here is that oxycodone is soluble in acetone. I haven't been able to find much data about that , but drug solubility data is sometimes hard to come by.Any articles with any extended oxycodone solubility information would be well received.

Lets say that oxycodone hcl is completely soluble in acetone. You would want to crush pill as finely as you can to maximize surface area. Add acetone .Mix. Filter (coffee filters rubber banded over a cup works wonders). Evaporate the acetone and hopefully you should be left with pure oxycodone, or oxycodone plus whatever binders and inactives acetone is soluble for. Hopefully most of the junk is left in the coffee filter, which you throw away, or do another wash on if you are desperate.

Any extractions for this will not work without filtering. You can't just add solvent and hope it breaks down whatever is making it gel up and hope it magically leaves when you evaporate it (or don't).

Also, there is NO need to ingest any acetone for any worthwhile OP extraction.

Don't mean to come off rude at all, just trying to help.

If I could get my hands on any OPs (which I can't) I bet I could crack this within a week and be left with a method that produces close to pure powder that can be repeated at home with simple chemicals. Seriously.

-lenses "

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"So it seems that saliva is breaking down the time release from the reports on here. I bet the amylase in saliva is breaking down the poly-whatevers that are complex sugars which cause the gelling into simple sugars. I imagine if you could get a hold of some amylase enzyme and add it in a solution with the OP and let it sit for an hour (perhaps at a lower ph ... like cola's ph) it would not be a gel solution and destroy the time release. Probally couldn't shoot it or snort it without more extraction, but this method would work for oral use. I imagine the amylase isn't good in the bloodstream or nose...

Should this thread get merged into the larger OP extraction thread? I don't want the information posted in this thread getting lost...

-lenses "

I didn't want this information getting lost in the smaller thread. I hope this information can help someone. Can someone post a list of the inactives in these ? Some lists seem to be shortened or missing things.

I wanna figure this out!

-lenses
 
God almighty I just took 3 of the new OPs.

I just rinsed them in water first to see what they would do and they turned into gel balls that were so slippery I could not even hold them in my fingers.

I seriously think I am having an allergic reaction.

I feel really sick this is fucking HORRIBLE.

My hands are getting numb, throat closing, like I am having anaphylaxis.

Jesus Christ poison.

I am going to go lay down and hope I don't die. I am done with the "OP" forever this is evil evil shit.

Yeah I just swallowed them - that is it.
 
This shit is poison.

I don't know what kind of plastic they put in here but I am having some kind of reaction.

Fuck I don't want to go to hospital.
 
As i have read both defeating op time release threads i have gathered that im no chemist and have minimal knowledge on acetone/mek. My friends said tha chip/coke method with pieces of op seem to work. Tha saliva theory makes sense too. Im sure that each method here has somewhat worked for tha poster. Ima worrk with tha safe methods like chip/coca cola and saliva. There is a way out there aand the only way we are guna win is if we work 2gether. Lets all mass up and perverbiably overthrow tha man. 1 luv 2 all here on this thread!!!
 
I just broke the time release.

Here you go:

1) Take OP 80mg.

2) Wait 1 hour while it sits in stomach and you start to get numb in your extremities and extremely sick to your stomach.

3) Once your heart feels like it is going to explode lurch into the bathroom wondering if you should be calling 911.

4) Projectile vomit through your mouth, throat and nose.

5) Be high as a kite, and still wondering if you need to go to the hospital.

I just learned I cannot take the OP, which is awful as I am a legitimate chronic pain patient. I guess I stay on OPANA only.

However, if you let the medication dissolve in your stomach for an hour then vomit uncontrollably through your nose it seems to work just like snorting it. Now I just don't feel like I might need to go to the ER, I also am high as a kite as the OP was broken down in my stomach and then I put it all in my nose and the back of my throat when I vomited - what a horrible taste!!!

Fun times!! 8)

For those of you who think it was a reaction to opiates, I have been on chronic pain meds for 7 years, could easily take 400-500mg of the old OC and not even blink. This is 100% some kind of bad reaction to the new OP formulation. I feel a little better after vomiting may try to wait this out.
 
after exp. with mek , i decided to try someone elses idea , put them under your tounge and suck on like a losenger , this is by far the best way i have done them it beats time release , better then eating pieces and way better then messing with chemicals , that none of us know what the lasting effect will be ! i will use mek maybe once a month , i really like sucking on them and getting it all disolved in your mouth , much stronger then i anticapated , well i hope everyone stays away from m e k and acetone until someone knows the ramifications , plus i have tried m e k many different ways and just sucking on them beats them all , hey i started the m e k , so i admit its not the best trick in the book it works beats time release but at what cost , best thing if u do not need them get off them now while the oppurtunity presents its self , very easy now that its a pain to huff them just take less and less each day , u will be so happy if u beat them , i wish i could start over , to damn late for me
 
The handbook of chemistry and physics says ethylene glycol (noted by someone else as the primary gelling agent) is soluble in acetic acid. Also in the same book the primary solvent for most opiates is chloroform, followed by MeOH, toluene, pyrimidene, and petroleum ether.
 
After a whole day of being sick from this I am finally starting to feel better.

I think it is going to take some chemistry equal to a methamphetamine or MDMA synthesis in difficulty level.

There is such incredible demand and the pills are so cheap I would not be surprised if Purdue just ends up with organized crime getting involved now. :X

It is not something you are going to be able to do in your bathroom.

It is going to take a chemistry set and hard to get chemicals. Someone though is going to make a fortune as I am sure you can buy the OPs in bulk for like $10-$15.

Then our "scientists" will actually reduce down to a powder, and OXY will be sold like a regular street drug for $1/mg in packets of a little powder.

I am curious if the this is going to happen or not.

Also I want to toss in that NO Walgreens where I live have the magical "identical" Ethex. I am sure they are out there in some places but if you live in heavily populated area, they were all gone long ago. None of the local Walgreens had generics that were the old style. Brand name or nothing.

Do you think the market will support OXY packets like Heroin packets, where some enterprising chemist buys 100 for $1000 and then spends a day doing some serious reactions and sells 8000mg of "pure" OXY for $5000?? 500% profit will get some people trying real hard. Or it will be sold as Heroin.

The only thing I see Purdue accomplishing is moving this whole thing into the hands of organized criminals who prey on addicts. Kind of sad really.

The DEA should stand for the "Drug Enrichment Agency" because all they do is make big dealers and criminals rich at the expense of sick people. What is so sad is the rank and file think they are doing good. Although I think the ones at the top realize they are doing EVIL - it is because of the DEA that so many tens of thousands are dead in Mexico and so many criminals are multi-millionaires, and so many innocent patients or people with a psychiatric disease of compulsive addiction are suffering in jail.

We say we are a free country - that is the greatest lie ever told. It is repeated so much people believe the great lie.

There used to be a lot more freedom in 1780-1880 as there were no income taxes or any drug laws you could take all the opium you wanted if you were in pain. It sucked if you were black though.

I am not sure anywhere there is a big government people will be "free." I think the countries of Norway, Sweden etc. are probably as close as you can get to a first world free country.

SO SAD. Anyway I am done ranting, but I think Purdue has just created another criminal market where only the highly organized criminals will have the expertise to purify and extract the OXY, and give them something else to get rich over!
 
LISTEN UP!! I just picked up my script of OC 20's from Walgreens, these are the ORIGINAL OC's!!!! They are made by Apotex, so more and more generic companies will be distributing them. These are not Ethex brand like most ppl have posted, this is great news, we no longer will be stuck with the OP's, hopefully more pharmacies will be able to order the generics in the coming months.
 
grafitti said:
after exp. with mek , i decided to try someone elses idea , put them under your tounge and suck on like a losenger , this is by far the best way i have done them it beats time release , better then eating pieces and way better then messing with chemicals , that none of us know what the lasting effect will be ! i will use mek maybe once a month , i really like sucking on them and getting it all disolved in your mouth , much stronger then i anticapated , well i hope everyone stays away from m e k and acetone until someone knows the ramifications , plus i have tried m e k many different ways and just sucking on them beats them all , hey i started the m e k , so i admit its not the best trick in the book it works beats time release but at what cost , best thing if u do not need them get off them now while the oppurtunity presents its self , very easy now that its a pain to huff them just take less and less each day , u will be so happy if u beat them , i wish i could start over , to damn late for me
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I agree with the sucking part, but please don't pat ur-self on the back. MEK is a waste and doesn't work.
 
lenses said:
What I posted in the smaller OP extraction thread :

"A lot of people are going about this the entirely wrong way... Using methods that are really just shots in the dark it seems. Ingesting acetone is dangerous and not needed!

I figured out how to extract concerta and have a tutorial I wrote in the OD directory, and have also cracked vyvanse time release as well... So I have some experience with this sorta stuff. It seems to be my knack! :P

It seems there are two ways to do simple extractions : Using completely soluble solvents, or completely insoluble solvents. The latter is somewhat harder.

The rumor here is that oxycodone is soluble in acetone. I haven't been able to find much data about that , but drug solubility data is sometimes hard to come by.Any articles with any extended oxycodone solubility information would be well received.

Lets say that oxycodone hcl is completely soluble in acetone. You would want to crush pill as finely as you can to maximize surface area. Add acetone .Mix. Filter (coffee filters rubber banded over a cup works wonders). Evaporate the acetone and hopefully you should be left with pure oxycodone, or oxycodone plus whatever binders and inactives acetone is soluble for. Hopefully most of the junk is left in the coffee filter, which you throw away, or do another wash on if you are desperate.

Any extractions for this will not work without filtering. You can't just add solvent and hope it breaks down whatever is making it gel up and hope it magically leaves when you evaporate it (or don't).

Also, there is NO need to ingest any acetone for any worthwhile OP extraction.

Don't mean to come off rude at all, just trying to help.

If I could get my hands on any OPs (which I can't) I bet I could crack this within a week and be left with a method that produces close to pure powder that can be repeated at home with simple chemicals. Seriously.

-lenses "

Also

"So it seems that saliva is breaking down the time release from the reports on here. I bet the amylase in saliva is breaking down the poly-whatevers that are complex sugars which cause the gelling into simple sugars. I imagine if you could get a hold of some amylase enzyme and add it in a solution with the OP and let it sit for an hour (perhaps at a lower ph ... like cola's ph) it would not be a gel solution and destroy the time release. Probally couldn't shoot it or snort it without more extraction, but this method would work for oral use. I imagine the amylase isn't good in the bloodstream or nose...

Should this thread get merged into the larger OP extraction thread? I don't want the information posted in this thread getting lost...

-lenses "

I didn't want this information getting lost in the smaller thread. I hope this information can help someone. Can someone post a list of the inactives in these ? Some lists seem to be shortened or missing things.

I wanna figure this out!

-lenses
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u speak as if you fig it out. But really u just wasted my time reading. Please, u would fig it out in a week.
 
HeaveHo94 said:
u speak as if you fig it out. But really u just wasted my time reading. Please, u would fig it out in a week.
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At least i'm contributing some useful information. The methods i'm using are a lot more rational and logical than "Chewing an op and eating chips and drinking cola with it".

Don't cut other people down on here. It doesn't contribute anything other than boosting your ego.

-lenses
 
I've personally been reading all the different extraction methods that have been popping up and once I finally get my new script I am going to try a few. My worry is wasting pills with failed methods as these things are not cheap.

I do agree with the whole theory about larger criminal entities getting involved to render down the pills into a new drug form. The profits could be immense but I hope it doesn't go that way because you never know what you're going to get from cookers.
 
^^ Ive been told your city is one of the only places in socal that offers these generics were all after...

Any word?
 
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^^ Ive been told your city is one of the only places in socal that offers these generics were all after...

Any word?
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Nothing yet as the scripts come in on Thursday. I actually get them filled outside of LA proper because there's a lot of pharmacies who give you extreme run arounds. Would be nice if it became easier due to generics.

I will keep you updated though.
 
I have a question that I didn't see answered in this thread. I looked through most of it but I may have missed some of it.

My question is: Is the new formula for OC restricted only to 80mg? I ask because I recently recieved 40mg OC and it is the same as what I have recieved before. It says OC on one side and 40 on the other.

Is the new formula only for 80mg, or is it for all Oxycontin? Anyone know?
 
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