Here's my cycle.

Oh, and for the past 10 or so years that I have been training others, I have never started anyone off on more than 500mg of test. I don't really condone the use of deca for a first cycle, due to the fact that it has so many nasty side effects. 19nors are not ideal for first time users, take tren for example. Would I suggest it to someone who has never run AAS before? No.

K12, I find your statement "700 mg/wk is not very much test. most newbies start out with at least a gram/wk. " to be rather dangerous. No matter what your age or stats are, starting off with 1gr. of test a week for a novice can be very dangerous. Like I said, I've been training guys for the past 10 or so years and never once had a student need to take more than 1/2 a gram a week for a first go. I know a couple 300lb guys that do just fine on 600mg of test a week on their 20th cycle. True, there are a couple of guys that run over 2gr+ of test a week....this is not normal, even for the biggest and baddest of body builders and power lifters.



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either you have weak gear or u r fuckin pro body builder

AlmostFamous said:
I have less than 2 weeks before I start.

Age: 25
Height 5'10"
Weight 195lb

1-10 50mg Test Prop ED
1-10 50mp Test Suspension ED
1-10 60mg NPP ED
7-10 50mg Winstrol ED
1-14 .5mg Arimidex EOD
11-14 Clomid

Letrozole on hand for gyno elimination.

Last cycle (2nd)
12 weeks 500mg Test E
6 weeks 50mg Dbol

Only concern is would 700mg a week of test prop/suspension be a tad much. And should I run the Arimidex into PCT or should I end it when I start PCT?
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I don't know what u r trying to do but u r wasting bucoo juice- and u r super saturating the receptor sites for your gear to go to.. therefore it aromatises and coverts to bad things in your body...
your last cycle esspecially who told you to do 500 mg every week of ethenate? for 12 weeks!!! -someone who is fucking your body up and probably making a good profit out of u
 
paulypntheway2b said:
I don't know what u r trying to do but u r wasting bucoo juice- and u r super saturating the receptor sites for your gear to go to.. therefore it aromatises and coverts to bad things in your body...
your last cycle esspecially who told you to do 500 mg every week of ethenate? for 12 weeks!!! -someone who is fucking your body up and probably making a good profit out of u
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Care to elaborate on what you are saying? From what you are saying you don't quite seem to understand what you are talking about.
 
paulypntheway2b said:
I don't know what u r trying to do but u r wasting bucoo juice- and u r super saturating the receptor sites for your gear to go to.. therefore it aromatises and coverts to bad things in your body...
your last cycle esspecially who told you to do 500 mg every week of ethenate? for 12 weeks!!! -someone who is fucking your body up and probably making a good profit out of u
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Im also lost.





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Started the cycle today. Few comments, boy do you feel the test suspension, and fast. One hour after the injection, I'm hit with a nice rush. A rush of energy, well being, confidence, and other "threshold" effects. Didn't expect to feel that much, that soon from 50mg of test suspension. I can see why you want to workout an hour or so after you inject. I'm thinking it'll be around a week before I get noticeable strength gains at the gym and faster recovery times. Once my system is saturated with suspension/prop/npp.

Another thing, I was prepared for the worst. I've read so much about how painful suspension, and especially prop is. So much so, the needle is in my delt, and my fingers are twitching on the trigger. And it didn't help, in the back of my mind, I'm using all new gear/new source. To my surprise, completely painless. I would never guessed the first shot would have been smoother than my test e shots. 10 hours later, the site isn't even sore. We'll see how my arm feels when I wake up tomorrow.

Question, does anyone have a good guide on drawing multiple oils in a syringe? I drew the prop, then when I went to draw the suspension next, I know just a tad of prop came out in the vial right before I started drawing the suspension. And when I went to shoot into my delt, the syringe had a little more air than I'd like.
 
AlmostFamous said:
Started the cycle today. Few comments, boy do you feel the test suspension, and fast. One hour after the injection, I'm hit with a nice rush. A rush of energy, well being, confidence, and other "threshold" effects. Didn't expect to feel that much, that soon from 50mg of test suspension. I can see why you want to workout an hour or so after you inject. I'm thinking it'll be around a week before I get noticeable strength gains at the gym and faster recovery times. Once my system is saturated with suspension/prop/npp.

Another thing, I was prepared for the worst. I've read so much about how painful suspension, and especially prop is. So much so, the needle is in my delt, and my fingers are twitching on the trigger. And it didn't help, in the back of my mind, I'm using all new gear/new source. To my surprise, completely painless. I would never guessed the first shot would have been smoother than my test e shots. 10 hours later, the site isn't even sore. We'll see how my arm feels when I wake up tomorrow.

Question, does anyone have a good guide on drawing multiple oils in a syringe? I drew the prop, then when I went to draw the suspension next, I know just a tad of prop came out in the vial right before I started drawing the suspension. And when I went to shoot into my delt, the syringe had a little more air than I'd like.
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glad it was painless...i might have to give it a shot for a preworkout boost

as for drawing multiple compounds the way I do it is draw in your air and and prime the first vial and draw the compound, then draw in a little bit more air than the amount of oil that you are going to draw out of the second vial, prime that vial by injecting all but just a little bit of the air in the syringe just to make sure you don't put any of the oil in the syringe into the second vial, when you get them both loaded push all the air out and inject...don't worry too much because a little air pocket can actually help "pack" the oil in the muscle...it would take a really big air bubble being injected directly into a vein to cause an embolism
 
why would some of the oil within the syringe come out? That doesnt make sense at all. Walk us step by step through what YOU are doing since you are obviously doing something wrong.

little bit of air in syringe is fine.

You are aspirating aren't you?

and changing needles after drawing?
 
Matsuo Munefusa. said:
why would some of the oil within the syringe come out? That doesnt make sense at all. Walk us step by step through what YOU are doing since you are obviously doing something wrong.

little bit of air in syringe is fine.

You are aspirating aren't you?

and changing needles after drawing?
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When I was pulling the needle out of the vial, a tad of oil came out into the vial. I didn't had that problem yesterday or today. The only thing I've done differently is pushing a little more air into the vials than I did on the first day. That was the only thing I was doing differently than maakshif directions.

Yes, I do aspirate so I know I'm not hitting a vein.

And I draw with a 20g 1 1/2inch and shoot with a 25g 1 or 1 1/2inch syringe, depending on what site I'm shooting into.

3 days into the cycle, the shots have been fairly painless. That was my biggest concern coming into the cycle, especially with the ED shots and the prop/suspension reputation of pain. Both delt shots were virtually painless, and yesterday's quad shot has only given me a slight amount of pressure around the site, but no pain.

I'm also feeling much more "testy" today. Woke up with huge wood and have felt really good today. I'll see how my workout goes later today. I still think I have around a week before I really start getting the benefits at the gym. I'm going to purchase a digital camera this weekend and I'll start a log on bluelight.
 
nice at the huge wood :D

try this

get a needle without a syringe (ie just the needle) and poke the vial. This will normalize pressure in the vial (some will come in or out depending on the pressure). This should solve your problems and speed up your next draws.

probably best to spray some sterile shit in the air before you do it but honestly I've never had a problem doing this real quick without doing that.
 
Matsuo Munefusa. said:
nice at the huge wood :D

try this

get a needle without a syringe (ie just the needle) and poke the vial. This will normalize pressure in the vial (some will come in or out depending on the pressure). This should solve your problems and speed up your next draws.

probably best to spray some sterile shit in the air before you do it but honestly I've never had a problem doing this real quick without doing that.
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Thanks for the suggestion. If I have a problem drawing in the future, I'll give that a try.

Workout today was on a completely different level when compared to yesterday. I was getting good pumps and pushing through the weights with authority. And my muscles felt much harder/fuller. It should only get better here on out. Amazed at how fast you come up on test prop/suspension. One day your having your typical gym experience and the next, your on a different level. Exact opposite of the ever so gradual come up from test e.

Tomorrow, I'm going to shoot into the Ventrogluteal(hip) for the first time. I've read alot about this being a great site that's under used in our community. Hopefully everything goes well and this will be an additional site I can hit in the future.
 
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Had my first setback yesterday. Shot into my right quad, no problems initially, but 10 hours later, my leg is killing me. The muscle is completely stiff and sore to the touch. I could barely walk. Happened right in the middle of my 12 hour day at work. And I'm a restaurant manager, so I am on my feet, moving at all times. I don't know how I made it through the night. Immediately when I got home, I put an electric warmer wrap on my quad for 30 minutes. And then gave it a nice massage. Feels much better today, but it's still stiff and sore. I'm going to skip my workout today, but I think I'll be fine this time tomorrow. I was really spoiled by the first 5 injections, lol.
 
it happens with new sites. Best to not massage it for the first 24 hours. You can squirt the depot out of the muscle and into a subq pool and cause cellulitis. Very painful.

It will honestly happen with almost every new site esp with prop/susp. And the second shot into the quad in that area will go much better...and the third much much better...until eventually all shots are painless any muscle you choose to shoot.

Traps are good too and lats also.

enjoy =D
 
Lol, shooting into my right quad today. Went right through a surface vein. I knew something was up when I was pushing the needle through the surface tissue as I was having a little more resistance than usual. So I aspirate right there, no blood. So I push through the resistance, and get down to that prime quad muscle area, aspirate again, no blood. Shoot the heavenly oil in the quad and as I pull the needle out, I get a nice stream of thick red blood run down my leg. I think initially when I felt the resistance, the needle must have touch the vein, as I had no blood when I was aspirated the first time. When push through more, I went right through it. I know I didn't shoot into the vein as I have no taste of oil in my mouth and no hacking cough. Either way, gotta love the joys of being a pin cushion.

A week or so into this cycle, I'm getting close to fully feeling the prop. I had a meeting at the corporate office today for my job, and I see this amazing looking chick with a perfect 10 ass. I go right upto her with no hesitation and strike a conversion with her, while I have halfway wood. "What if" didn't even cross my mind. I'm starting to really feel the nandrolone as well. My aggression was through the roof yesterday at the gym. I think I have about a week before I fully start feeling the nandrolone. All in all, everything is going good so far.
 
Also Matsuo, I used your technique for releasing some of the pressure from the vials, and it worked beautifully! Much easier drawing the oil today.
 
maakshif said:
i would end the adex before PCT...Aromasin is the only AI that should be used in PCT...adex can actually lower the effectiveness of SERMS, especially nolva, but it affects clomid as well

the thing with suspension is it's half-life is really short, less than 12 hours and more like 4-6...use it like an hour or so before your workout for a good boost and let the prop keep levels stable, other wise you should be fine

I'd extend the winstrol out, 4 weeks isn't really long enough for it...6-8 would be better
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Agree 100%. This guy gives good advice; I personally run 12.5mg Aromasin for all my cycles for the entire duration of both the cycle and PCT. I also run 50mg Proviron for the same time, and I have NEVER experienced any libido problems, even when running 2 19-nors: 500mg Tren E and 400mg Deca a week.
 
Matsuo Munefusa. said:
do u increase or decrease aromasin depending on test dosage?
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I do indeed adjust it as needed. It does not experience a ceiling effect to aromatization as arimidex does, which is a plus. Sometimes, if I am using on the lower end of aromatizable compounds, I will use like 6.25mg ED, and If i Run a cycle with higher doses, I utilize 25mg ED. Basically I run it ED because the half-life is so short compared to arimidex, which can be run EOD.

Some people have this (in my opinion) incredibly stupid mentality, to not use AI's until one experiences symptoms of Gyno. This is INCREDIBLY stupid in my opinion, as many first time users really don't know what symptoms to be looking for. Also, it's not like we are talking about Letrozole here people, its fairly easy to find an appropriate dose, and it is not going to inhibit estrogen by 90%, so you are far less likely to experience sides of low estro.
 
I had some dbol leftover from a previous cycle. My shipment of winstrol should arrive sometime next week, so I thought I use up the dbol I had until the winstrol arrived. So my last 4 workouts, I decided to take 30mg before each workout as a boost. I thought since I'm on an AI, the water retention would be at a minimium. Boy was I wrong. In 5 days, I put on around 5lbs of pure water. I love the energy and strength I get from dbol, but hate the way it makes me looks. Last weekend, I already had some noticeable increase in definition, and the weight gains have been the lean variety. But in just 5 days, I'm starting to blow up like a water balloon. Big mistake taking the dbol. Today will probably be the last time I ever touch dbol. I love how I feel on the stuff, but just hate the way I look when I'm on it.
 
QUESTION. Do you need to be fit, since you need certain amount of experience in the gym before you start using steroid, not fit but cut enough?
 
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