Hydrocodone dose after CWE... How much is too much?

[Stryker5d]

SWIM is planning on performing a Cold Water Extraction (CWE) to extract Hydrocodone from Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen (Vicodan 5/500mg).

SWIM has already prepared/crushed 25-tablets into powdered form. This is a total of 125mg of Hydrocodone and 12.5g of Acetaminophen powder.

After completing CWE process (and 30-minutes to 1-hour before ingesting Hydrocodone solution):
-SWIM intends on taking 25mg of Benadryl (Diphenhydramine)... in case SWIM gets any of the "itchies", and to help ease any nausea... SWIM does not have any Promethazine, otherwise that would be used instead.

-SWIM also intends on taking 400mg of Tagamet HB (Cimetidine)... to help potentiate the effects of the opiate.

Finally, SWIM is planning to drink the entire solution of Hydrocodone (125mg total dose) and chase off any bad taste with some Pepsi...

QUESTION:
How much Hydrocodone is TOO-MUCH? Is a one time dose of 125mg too much?
Would like to hear from some with experience, especially with Hydrocodone and higher mg doses (above 30-40mg).

 

[Stryker5d]

Seriously... would like to hear other's thoughts about dosing mg's and would appreciate any comments.

P.S. - Just read the Sticky: New and Improved Guidelines.... from Forum Moderator... and Sorry about using "SWIM" in post, Please Forgive Stryker

 

[dokomo]

Dosage is all about tolerance. How much do you normally take? That amount would be WAY too much for someone with no tolerance (like fatal, especially with all that potentiation)

Bottom line you've gotta give us more info about how much you use / have used before we could give any ballpark estimate.

 

[Stryker5d]

Thanks for your reply dokomo... Currently, Stryker is new to BlueLight...

In the past, have chewed up oxycontins... usually 1 or 2 of the 40mg ER pills followed by 2 or 4 of the oxycodone 5mg IR pills (the IR taken after about 2-3 hours)... Did not take much else to help potentiate opiate (did not need to either).

Never tried CWE before because there was no acetaminophen with the oxycontin/oxycodone.

In the past with Hydrocodone, daily ingestion has been as high as 240mg... But that has been over 24-hour periods and included Norco (10/325mg ACE) plus Vicoprofen (10/200mg IBU) staggered throughout the day.

Currently, only have access to Vicodin (5/500mg), so the major concern is acetaminophen and hepatotoxicity.

Typically Morphine(IV), Hydrocodone and/or Oxycodone (Oral) provide an "energizer bunny" effect (Isn't that different than most other people?).... But with Dilaudid and/or Demerol, have felt really really mellow with "no energy"....

As far as tolerance goes, well its there and wouldn't it be great if it never increased... But seriously though, not sure how personal tolerance might compare with others (experienced others of course). Personal opiate consumption has always been discreet, quiet, and private. Therefore, not too experienced discussing it, Sorry...

Very curious about other's dosages of Hydrocodone after CWE and their experiences... Please share more info here...

Is it better to divide the 125mg solution into two containers and then consume one dose (62.5mg)... then wait an hour or so, to consume the other dose? or just sip on the second dose container (like titrating) over the course of several hours?

P.S. -For other readers, Please know that this isn't meant as or shouldn't be a "one up" or "one more" discussion. Tolerance does not make a person better, Tolerance does make a person's habit more expensive.

 

[TheLostBoys]

You use to take 24 10/325 a day, that is a huge tolerance. I have never taken more than 4 7.5's ES Vicodin a day but then again, i take them for pain. I would suggest taking 40mg of hydrocodone three seperate times with about a 2 hour window in between each drink.

 

[Stryker5d]

You use to take 24 10/325 a day, that is a huge tolerance. I have never taken more than 4 7.5's ES Vicodin a day but then again, i take them for pain. I would suggest taking 40mg of hydrocodone three seperate times with about a 2 hour window in between each drink.

Thanks for the comments- TheLostBoys.

Perhaps Stryker should clarify the "past Hydrocodone consumption"... On days when the total Hydrocodone consumption per 24-hour period was around 240mg, that was possible by consuming two-different Hydrocodone products. Norco 10/325 containing 325mg Acetaminophen and Vicoprofen 10/200 containing 200mg Ibuprofen. That way for each Norco taken, a Vicoprofen was consumed as well, and keeping the daily consumption of Acetaminophen close to the 4000mg daily max... Max daily consumption has been 14-Norcos, which is just over 4000mg (actually 4550mg). Otherwise, have consumed 12-Norcos and 12-Vicoprofens over the course of 24-hours (stayed awake all night)...

For someone to take 24-tablets of Norco (per day) would be too much Acetaminophen (almost 8g) and toxic for the liver. =Not a good idea.

Regarding your suggestion of three seperate 40mg Hydrocodone doses, sounds good. Might take it that way, but have not decided yet.... Have taken 3-Norcos plus 1-Vicoprofen before (total= 40mg) and its not too shabby...

Has anyone (Not on Meth) tried greater than 40mg doses of Hydrocodone? Perhaps like 60mg doses? If so how was it?

 

[wtblife]

I have little tolerance at all and around 50 mgs or so had me nodding. I've only done over 40 mgs once though.

Are you saying no one on meth can answer or asking if someone has tried it without meth?

 

[Stryker5d]

I have little tolerance at all and around 50 mgs or so had me nodding. I've only done over 40 mgs once though.

Are you saying no one on meth can answer or asking if someone has tried it without meth?

Thanks for the reply... So over 40mg had you sleepy?

Its weird how some people get wired or energized on Hydrocodone and for others it makes them tired...

Regarding the meth question/comment, that was just because meth affects the tolerance of other opiates... Having read that many people on meth have to take alot more Hydrocodone to feel the desired effects... Therefore, was searching for answers from people who don't take meth also.

 

[Pchild]

To original OP,

I probably have all the experience to answer what you want to know. I have been on Morphine, Methadone, Opana, and OC at one time or other for the last 10 years. That being said you might not like what I have to say.

If I understand you ate 2, 40mg OC and up to 4 Roxy 5s at one time. If so your tolerance is climbing FAST. Thats a good size dose. But lets say I misunderstood and that dose is over 24 hrs. Really doesn't matter. Because you will be totally stunned how quick your tolerance will rise. Each time you will get less and less of a good high. And won't be all that long till you will be just like me. You will be able to rail 2 80mg OCs and 2 Roxy 30mg(220mg) at a time. And what will you fieel? Not one damn thing ! Won't happen? At one time 1-2 perc. had me flying.

Maybe think about where your heading. Promise, its not where you want to be.
Best

 

[gocards27]

To original OP,

I probably have all the experience to answer what you want to know. I have been on Morphine, Methadone, Opana, and OC at one time or other for the last 10 years. That being said you might not like what I have to say.

If I understand you ate 2, 40mg OC and up to 4 Roxy 5s at one time. If so your tolerance is climbing FAST. Thats a good size dose. But lets say I misunderstood and that dose is over 24 hrs. Really doesn't matter. Because you will be totally stunned how quick your tolerance will rise. Each time you will get less and less of a good high. And won't be all that long till you will be just like me. You will be able to rail 2 80mg OCs and 2 Roxy 30mg(220mg) at a time. And what will you fieel? Not one damn thing ! Won't happen? At one time 1-2 perc. had me flying.

Maybe think about where your heading. Promise, its not where you want to be.
Best

I wanted to say that but not ruin the kids mojo.

when it becomes a daily struggle to get enough to function, yeah.

today I am one day from quitting and it has been very hard to get here....one day he will have to do the same.

 

[Stryker5d]

Pchild and Gocards27 (fellow "Greenlighters") thanks for your viewpoints. We all have choices on the paths that we take in life and we all know that each path has consequences. Sounds like you both are trying to take cleaner paths and good luck to you both on your paths.

This path is about doses of Hydrocodone greater than 40mg, after CWE...

Has anyone (not on meth) tried doses of Hydrocodone greater than 40mg? How about 60mg or more? If so what was it like for you?

 

[Pchild]

Pchild and Gocards27 (fellow "Greenlighters") thanks for your viewpoints. We all have choices on the paths that we take in life and we all know that each path has consequences. Sounds like you both are trying to take cleaner paths and good luck to you both on your paths.

This path is about doses of Hydrocodone greater than 40mg, after CWE...

Has anyone (not on meth) tried doses of Hydrocodone greater than 40mg? How about 60mg or more? If so what was it like for you?

Stryker,

I am really not trying to preach to you. We do navigate our worldly path, on our own terms. But you sound just like ME, ten years ago. I would have ask the same question. Sure I started out on hydro. I didn't mention it because it can't even stave off WDs now. It's useless to me. As far as the high, for me it was more sedating than Oxy. So Oxy was the bomb at one time.

If you are starting to enjoy opies, and I would say by your dose, you are, be very careful. Addiction is a really sneaky thing. It hits and sucks you in before you know what happened. You have been warned.

Oh, as far as "greenlight" staus, thats true. But I feel I know what I'm talking about, on this subject. I just didn't read it, I am living it. Good luck and I hope the very best for you.

GoCards27

I am glad to hear where your at right now. I hope the WDs will be easy on you. I quit for 2 weeks back in Feb., but you know how that goes. So right now I am on subs., and really don't know when I will truly be clean. Sad, sad.

Best to you.

 

[gocards27]

Stryker,

I am really not trying to preach to you. We do navigate our worldly path, on our own terms. But you sound just like ME, ten years ago. I would have ask the same question. Sure I started out on hydro. I didn't mention it because it can't even stave off WDs now. It's useless to me. As far as the high, for me it was more sedating than Oxy. So Oxy was the bomb at one time.

If you are starting to enjoy opies, and I would say by your dose, you are, be very careful. Addiction is a really sneaky thing. It hits and sucks you in before you know what happened. You have been warned.

Oh, as far as "greenlight" staus, thats true. But I feel I know what I'm talking about, on this subject. I just didn't read it, I am living it. Good luck and I hope the very best for you.

GoCards27

I am glad to hear where your at right now. I hope the WDs will be easy on you. I quit for 2 weeks back in Feb., but you know how that goes. So right now I am on subs., and really don't know when I will truly be clean. Sad, sad.

Best to you.

I can't say I am clean....since I am talking high amounts of Loperamide. about 40 mg a day.

so far today...I have only taken 5 mg of Hydro about 4 hours ago.

and I feel fine..except a bit cloudy in my head....

a month ago...I would need 60-70mg so far this day to even function well.

I am so glad this hell is almost over.

the addiction will cripple you and you don't even realize it.

then that day comes that you have no money left and you go without and you can't get out bed....your lucky if you don't shit yourself.

sorry for hijacking.

 

[Stryker5d]

Pchild and Gocards27 thank you and good luck to you both.

Has anyone (not on meth) tried doses of Hydrocodone greater than 40mg? How about 60mg or more? If so what was it like for you?

 

[Stryker5d]

Refining CWE Plans

Thanks for everyones comments thus far, but please still looking for more feedback....

OK, so the date for planned CWE is approaching fast and still undecided about Hydrocodone dose amount...

PLAN: Perform CWE with 125mg of Hydrocodone (see OP)...

Dosing Options:

A.) Consume entire CWE'd solution of 125mg Hydrocodone... perhaps this is too much, even for someone with some opiate tolerance.

B.) Divide CWE'd solution into two-containers (62.5mg each). Consume one container of 62.5mg Hydrocodone solution... Then after at least 1-hour, begin sipping on second 62.5mg container to titrate desired effects, as well as extend time length of effects.

C.) Divide CWE'd solution into three-containers (~40mg each). Consume one container of 40mg Hydrocodone solution... Then after at least 1-hour, consume second 40mg container.... and then wait another hour or so to begin sipping on the third 40mg container to titrate desired effects, etc...

^So those are the dosing options or choices that have been narrowed down thus far. Does anyone have other suggestions?

Still curious to hear from people with experience regarding doses of greater than 40mg of Hydrocodone.... Anyone?

 

[wtblife]

So you currently have an opiate tolerance right? Like you've been using recently? Cause if so B sounds good, I could take more than 40 without a tolerance fine, but 125 mgs could be more than what you want so it's better to do in 2. What effects are you aiming for exactly?

 

[Stryker5d]

So you currently have an opiate tolerance right? Like you've been using recently? Cause if so B sounds good, I could take more than 40 without a tolerance fine, but 125 mgs could be more than what you want so it's better to do in 2. What effects are you aiming for exactly?

Yes, option B is sounding like the more preferrable choice....

Regarding "aimed effects" question:
Not meaning to derail original focus, but have you ever taken high doses of Tussionex (liquid Hydrocodone for coughs)? Its a different formulation of Hydrocodone than Vicodan and the euphoria is much more intense as well as longer lasting... Very enjoyable experience...

Therefore, searching for something comparable with CWE'd Hydrocodone and some potentiation.

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Has anyone (not on meth) tried doses of Hydrocodone greater than 40mg? How about 60mg or more? If so what was it like for you?

Maybe 90% of the people here. 40-60 mgs would be about right for me and I have a tiny tolerance by the standards of this forum. What does being on meth have to do with it BTW?

 

[Stryker5d]

Thanks for the reply FryingSquirrel.

So I assume you think option B would be the way to acheive desired effects... First dose being ~62mg... then sipping second dose to titrate.

Regarding the meth question: the main reason being the effects meth has on other opiates and ones tolerance to increased doses of Hydrocodone... For example, see negrogesic's thread on "Behemoth oral hydrocodone dose..."
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=122631

So does anyone have other suggestions or experience with Hydrocodone doses at or above 60mg?

 

[Stryker5d]

Sorry on last post attempt to link to thread failed... Here it goes again:

Meth and Hydrocodone thread
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=122631