HPPD or possible mental illness?

[bignbrown]

a few days ago i took alot of 4fa in the night, like alot more than i usually do, about 500mg spread over a few hours. During that night when trying to sleep i got quite bad paranoia as i had some visual disturbances and also audio hallucinations, kept thinking i could hear my friends outside. I had this all the next day quite bad, probably because i didnt sleep. Now more than 48 hours on ive had a good 11 hour sleep. Im still getting fairly strong visual distubances and what im most worried about i still keep thinking i can hear my friends outside. Could this just be some hppd (i think i had it before after heavy mdma abuse but it got better), i also read HPPD can cause audio disturbances too. Or are there any mental illness's this could be?

thanks

 

[BIGsherm7272]

sounds more like a state of psychosis

 

[Nortyy]

I'm not a doctor or any type of mental health specialist but my hypothesis from

a large amount of personal expierences with stimulant use, is that it sounds

like you overloaded your circuits and possibly caused some temporary damage

to some neurons. I've had that happen to me before after a day of high

dosages of D-amphetamine & Methylphenidate. For me at least the negative

effects subsided after 3 days. My opinion is that time will be your best remedy

for the side effects you're expierencing.

Also try taking some L-tyrosine supplements, thats has always helped me in the past. If you can't afford L-tyrosine you probably have some food in your house that has high levels of

tyrosine, just look online for the specific foods and amount they contain for each portion. Hope that helps!

 

[bignbrown]

I'm not a doctor or any type of mental health specialist but my hypothesis from

a large amount of personal expierences with stimulant use, is that it sounds

like you overloaded your circuits and possibly caused some temporary damage

to some neurons. I've had that happen to me before after a day of high

dosages of D-amphetamine & Methylphenidate. For me at least the negative

effects subsided after 3 days. My opinion is that time will be your best remedy

for the side effects you're expierencing.

Also try taking some L-tyrosine supplements, thats has always helped me in the past. If you can't afford L-tyrosine you probably have some food in your house that has high levels of

tyrosine, just look online for the specific foods and amount they contain for each portion. Hope that helps!

thank you will look now. i have also been on poppies ever since last tuesday, im pretty sure opiates arnt known for making mental problems or psychosis worse? .

 

[Nortyy]

In fact any mind altering drug can provoke or worsen a mental problem or psychosis. Your

own mental and family mental history should be considered when taking drugs to try to

assess your risk for such an episode. Also did you possibly eat any foods that may effect your

body's ability to metabolize the substances you ingested? Such as grapefruit? Have you taken

any MAOI's and forgot you took it?

 

[MikeHawk]

Opiates are highly unlikely to excacerbate psychosis. Psychosis is definitely what you're experiencing. My friend and I experienced the same thing after 250mg of 4-FA each in one night. It went away after 2 days. Was rather unpleasant. I don't recommend l-tyrosine to be taken whilst experiencing it as adding more dopamine to the mix seems unwise.

 

[bignbrown]

Opiates are highly unlikely to excacerbate psychosis. Psychosis is definitely what you're experiencing. My friend and I experienced the same thing after 250mg of 4-FA each in one night. It went away after 2 days. Was rather unpleasant. I don't recommend l-tyrosine to be taken whilst experiencing it as adding more dopamine to the mix seems unwise.

thank you very much mate thats reassuring, just gotta sleep through tonight hopefully should be feeling better tommorow morning.

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

itll go away...hppd is never perminant..i hada bad trip on shrrooms and had BAD after effects aka HPPD, lasted me like 2 weeks, longest 2 weeks ofmy life..i was basically stuck in the trip, it was horible but a good lesson in life.

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

and 4 fa...wha t the fuck, so many researrch drugs in the past 6-7 years

 

[StaySedated]

sounds like lingering after effects after heavy use, its pretty normal with these kinds of drugs. i'm sure it will go away soon.

HPPD usually comes from more "tradtional types" of psychedelics(LSD, mescaline, shrooms, other strong 5ht-2 agonists). HPPV from mdma, 4-fa and similar drugs is very rare.

HPPD will usually subside over time(if you have it), but i think you are just having strong after effects.

also, this is unlikely but possible, you may have mild serotonin syndrome. i doubt it as it doesn't really sound like it, but it is possible...

 

[bignbrown]

sounds like lingering after effects after heavy use, its pretty normal with these kinds of drugs. i'm sure it will go away soon.

HPPD usually comes from more "tradtional types" of psychedelics(LSD, mescaline, shrooms, other strong 5ht-2 agonists). HPPV from mdma, 4-fa and similar drugs is very rare.

HPPD will usually subside over time(if you have it), but i think you are just having strong after effects.

also, this is unlikely but possible, you may have mild serotonin syndrome. i doubt it as it doesn't really sound like it, but it is possible...

thanks for the advice. One thing im just gonna mention, im apart of another drugs community online, a fair few members have hppd, at least half of them got hppd from methylone and mdmda (not dopamine drugs like amphet etc), im talking about visual distortions lasting months after binging on them.

 

[bignbrown]

this is weird, its not quite as bad, but i still keep thinking i can hear people (sometimes myfriends voices) outside my house talking about me, kind of like when you stay up on stims too often, like the psychosis hasnt fully gone away, i keep telling myself its all in my head and im not exactly really worried about people actually being there, but it just wont go away i really hope it does soon, fucking 4fa, never touching that or other stims again.

 

[NotQuiteAnonymous]

Visual disturbances happen to me when ive taken opiates and if im dehydrated. The scenarios are independent from each other...together the disturbances are worse tho.

More likely than not you are actually hearing something that your brain can't identify and is altering the sound.

For awhile i thought i was beingt tormented by something otherworldly...hearing voices and music in the quiet all alone...i felt silly when i found the source

Sound came through speakers (including my cell phone) that were plugged in and turned off. It was a local radio station with a powerful antenna! The house's wiring was amplifying the signal. Unplugging speakers and removing the cell phone's battery fixed the issue.

Also, sewer pipes can transmit sound (can hear a neighbor's radio when sitting in my bathroom.) As can A/C ducts if you live in an apartment building.

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

Visual disturbances happen to me when ive taken opiates and if im dehydrated. The scenarios are independent from each other...together the disturbances are worse tho.

More likely than not you are actually hearing something that your brain can't identify and is altering the sound.

For awhile i thought i was beingt tormented by something otherworldly...hearing voices and music in the quiet all alone...i felt silly when i found the source

Sound came through speakers (including my cell phone) that were plugged in and turned off. It was a local radio station with a powerful antenna! The house's wiring was amplifying the signal. Unplugging speakers and removing the cell phone's battery fixed the issue.

Also, sewer pipes can transmit sound (can hear a neighbor's radio when sitting in my bathroom.) As can A/C ducts if you live in an apartment building.

opiates dont have a thing to do with HPPD

... u dont know what hppd is...look it up, u just told us a story about ur own experience...thats not his issue at all...sorry to be a dick but what u just did was an insult to the op

 

[StaySedated]

this is weird, its not quite as bad, but i still keep thinking i can hear people (sometimes myfriends voices) outside my house talking about me, kind of like when you stay up on stims too often, like the psychosis hasnt fully gone away, i keep telling myself its all in my head and im not exactly really worried about people actually being there, but it just wont go away i really hope it does soon, fucking 4fa, never touching that or other stims again.

yeah its just lingering after effects from a drug that is harsh on the mind. after effects can include paranoia(which seems like you are experiencing).

just wait it out and stay away from 4-fa.

 

[bignbrown]

Visual disturbances happen to me when ive taken opiates and if im dehydrated. The scenarios are independent from each other...together the disturbances are worse tho.

More likely than not you are actually hearing something that your brain can't identify and is altering the sound.

For awhile i thought i was beingt tormented by something otherworldly...hearing voices and music in the quiet all alone...i felt silly when i found the source

Sound came through speakers (including my cell phone) that were plugged in and turned off. It was a local radio station with a powerful antenna! The house's wiring was amplifying the signal. Unplugging speakers and removing the cell phone's battery fixed the issue.

Also, sewer pipes can transmit sound (can hear a neighbor's radio when sitting in my bathroom.) As can A/C ducts if you live in an apartment building.

hmm im on alot of opiates, ive been drinking alot of water but because of urinary retention on opis and antihistamines ive just been pissing out huge amounts every 1-2 hours, maybe im dehydrated? Im stopping opiates for a bit how can i get myself rehydrated again? just sipping water and juices?

 

[StaySedated]

hmm im on alot of opiates, ive been drinking alot of water but because of urinary retention on opis and antihistamines ive just been pissing out huge amounts every 1-2 hours, maybe im dehydrated? Im stopping opiates for a bit how can i get myself rehydrated again? just sipping water and juices?

don't even bother with the opiate story. opiates have nothing to do with HPPV(they can't cause it, make it worse, etc.).

 

[StaySedated]

Visual disturbances happen to me when ive taken opiates and if im dehydrated. The scenarios are independent from each other...together the disturbances are worse tho.

More likely than not you are actually hearing something that your brain can't identify and is altering the sound.

For awhile i thought i was beingt tormented by something otherworldly...hearing voices and music in the quiet all alone...i felt silly when i found the source

Sound came through speakers (including my cell phone) that were plugged in and turned off. It was a local radio station with a powerful antenna! The house's wiring was amplifying the signal. Unplugging speakers and removing the cell phone's battery fixed the issue.

Also, sewer pipes can transmit sound (can hear a neighbor's radio when sitting in my bathroom.) As can A/C ducts if you live in an apartment building.

wtf? this has nothing to do with HPPV. being dehydrated on opiates has NOTHING to do with HPPV or what the OP is talking about.

this story will just confuse anybody reading through this thread.

 

[NotQuiteAnonymous]

Original Poster mentioned being on 'poppies' in 3rd post down. How is discussion about opiates causing visual disturbances NOT pertinant?

I know what HPPD is...i was attempting to suggest to the OP that the symptoms could very likely be something other than HPPD.

Just because we're not on the same page doesn't mean im off topic.

I was trying to prevent the OP from unnecessary worrying. Opiates (includes poppies) can cause visual disturbances. Dehydration during and following an amphetamine (4fa or otherwise) binge can cause visual disturbances as well.

Sounds can also have a cause other than HPPD...i gave an example of something that happened to me. At the time i was terrified that had lost my mind. My negative mental state was worsened by hearing voices and music. When i found the source of the sounds i felt like an idiot. i had been sure i had lost my mind...i provided the anectdote relating my experiences because instead of HPPD the perceived aural disturbances may have been ACTUAL aural disturbances.

Visual disturbances from dehydration OR opiate use + ACTUAL aural disturbance can cause a perceived state of HPPD, that in actuality, is only a mimic of the disorder.