Psychedelics and The Pied Piper Experience

[Matsuo Munefusa.]

The pied piper leads others (usually children although there are pied piper tales of adults being led away) away from their normal routines/environments. Often out into the woods, at night. Sometimes children will be led away in a mezmerized group and other times it will be a single person led away. Sometimes never to be seen again (trip and fall off a cliff or fall into a deep cave/hole, etc).

The starting presumption of this thread is that there are spirits that are non-physical (ie not detectable by physical means such as vision* or any other type of detection such as heat sensing, etc). I dont mean to debate whether these spirits exist because I have already chosen to believe in their existence. I suppose for the purpose of this thread the debate over whether non-physical spirits exist is orthogonal to the discussion...

I'm primarily concerned to hear stories of anybody else who has had a pied piper experience, whether under the influence of psychedelics or not (I think a psychedelic experience does not necessarily require the hallucinogens that we have come to know and love). You can provide however much background as you want. I hope you come out of the woodwork and do not feel afraid or that you will be mocked for having the experience of being led away into the forest (or wherever) by a pied piper. I certainly want to hear your story!

My story:
A few nights ago I was kickin' it on the porch smoking a bong with my girlfriend. We were having a nice night staying at a home of a friend housesitting. Very beautiful area surrounding the house...large tracts of woods...only one house visible about a half mile away and those people were not there either. We were totally alone or at least we thought! :D

We went inside and went about our usual playing around, dancing, laughing, etc. A strange feeling came over both of us and I became insistent on going outside and seeing the stars. I wandered outside and my gf came out following me. A strange feeling came over me and I wandered down their driveway and began stargazing. I wandered a little further without realizing where I was going. I was in the shadows now and my gf could not see me. I insisted she come down and follow me and I began to wander further away...here is where I became overwhelmed by an urgency to wander. I was a little stoned but nothing that would have intoxicated me this much to being to the point of feeling out of control. She realized something weird was going on and told me to come back up to the top of the driveway and be with her. I reluctantly returned and went back inside. The rest of the night I would feel pangs of wanting to go wander outside. I didnt know why and didnt understand it until we began talking about the pied piper a couple days later and I realized that during the night I was being 'called' to and seduced outside.

Your story please! :D

*although at times these spirits seem to manifest themselves visually to those that are sensitive to their presence

 

[MyExcuse]

Psychedelics, especially for newer users, can cause varying forms of Fugue State.

"Dissociative fugue usually involves unplanned travel or wandering, and is sometimes accompanied by the establishment of a new identity."

 

[Volundr]

I haven't had an experience like it in such certain terms, however I have had, lets call it a longing, or a desire, to push further into x and away from y without any notable reasoning. Not in the sense of the above post, as I am very much aware of my actions at the said time.

And then of course there is a complete different sensation of being led, in the sense of being pulled in a direction uncontrollably, an odd effect I have only experienced on my single brief encounter with Salvia.

 

[CatfishRivers]

You should check out Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural" and read up on the similarities between faerie abductions and ufo abductions. Your story resonates with a lot of what that book was covering I think. Good thing your gf called you back to the house or else you might have ended up with a psychic butt prodding!

I've definitely had encounters where I felt compelled to walk into the forest at night, usually while on some psychedelic. One encounter, where I had mixed 2c-t-7 with 2c-t-2 and then gone out behind my pool, where the forrest begins and stretches back to a glacial lake and mountain. Lots of animals back there, and actually when I was kid someone comitted suicide right back there too. All sorts of weird things went on there actually...once a guy went diving in the lake with a metal detector and came up with a plate full of antique watches, coins, rings and stuff. It was amazing to see as a kid...but anyhow, after smoking the salvia I felt this sort of state change, like the air got cooler, and it felt like it was chilling me and kind of forcefully tuning me to some other frequency. There was a lot of fog coming up from the lake through the trees, and I could see the moonlight refracting through it all here and there as little pockets of light emptied out onto the ground. I was about 10 feet into the treeline and mist when I felt like something was looking or staring at me, so I looked up into the tree where it felt like it was coming from, and out of the corner of my eye, for the briefest of moments, I saw this South American looking man with a straw hat smiling at me with a crooked grin and large yellowish teeth. His eyes tho were black, just like the distance into the forest. But as soon as I saw him, and with such incredibility clarity, he was gone! I then felt this strong urge to walk further into the forest, but at the same time I heard a voice in my head saying don't go. It felt like I shouldn't go too...I worried that I was walking into some sort of mystical mist that would lead me out of my world and into some other without a trace of how to return. Who knows how much of this all was just me being afraid to be in the dark forest at night by myself high as hell on drugs, paranoid and wanting to return to the safety of my bong and stereo inside...but it sure felt like an invitation to me, a creepy one, but an invitation nonetheless...

 

[Volundr]

Do you regret not walking further in? I have no idea if I would if the situation presented itself but I know my mind would regret not investigating fully.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa.]

awesome story catfish! thank you for sharing!

I knew this was the right place on the internet for this thread. Love to hear more stories.

 

[Ben So Furry]

I posted this in PD:Social while chatting about dreams:

I have a dream that has stayed with me for some time and it's a painful reminder of a bad time in my life and serves to remind me never to go back there.

This took place during a long patch of addiction and psychosis, this particular night while I was falling asleep as I was drifting off I would get a painful brain zap and a flash of light and this kept recurring for a while until *zap* I sat up. There were demons in my little girls room tormenting her, I ran in to her room screaming 'begone, begone demons' then *zap* I'm sat upright in bed, again I just know about the demons and have have to stop them I charge into her room *zap* I'm sat in bed. This happened a few more times before *zap* I'm sat up in bed with the realisation that I'm the demon, because I'm ruining my Wife and Daughters life with my addiction. I'm evil and exactly what the demons want.

Then thankfully I did actually wake up.

During that time I used to get really bad sleep problems, nightmare, sleep paralysis etc.
I'm so grateful my Wife stuck with me, heaven knows how difficult it must of been and she was close to walking out on me on several occasions. I owe her everything and hope and try to make it up to her now my drug blinkers have been taken off, every day.

The reason I posted this is the first post struck a chord with the above experience, I have never dreamt so vivid ever before or since and the feeling that I should run into my Daughters bedroom while she was sleeping screaming at the 'demons' was overwhelming. I perceived this at the time to be demonic but it's the feeling that some other presence is trying to motivate your actions and force your will that I relate to in this thread.

Also wanted to mention the sleep paralysis as when it happened it felt as if it was being controlled by a presence or that there was someone or something watching at the time and in control of the situation.

 

[surf.shaman]

i think a lot of people here are actually the pipers

 

[Visitor Q]

i think a lot of people here are actually the pipers

Good call.

 

[CatfishRivers]

Do you regret not walking further in? I have no idea if I would if the situation presented itself but I know my mind would regret not investigating fully.

Nope! Glad I stayed out of what felt like bad mojo to me. I am happy to say the aliens can not say the following about my rectum:

wrecked em?I damn near killed him!

damn ufo butt-prodding space pervs

 

[Matsuo Munefusa.]

i think a lot of people here are actually the pipers

what do you mean by this? Or is it supposed to be some sort of koan not solvable by rational reflection??? curious...

 

[psood0nym]

I had experience of automatic body movements on 2C-E somewhat akin to your wander lust when I was on an beautiful island isolated in Lake Superior that I had kayaked to after 5 days and had all to myself. I took off my clothes and felt like I was visiting Eden. I found myself walking into the forest and couldn't believe it, it was more than the trippy dissociation I'd experience numerous times before, I was riding my legs. I was able to navigate trees and rivulets without consciously experiencing any will to do so. It stopped in a clearing where I felt heavy and lied down. There, on a sun-speckled bed of moss, I had a vision of a lamb drinking incandescent milk that was flowing from a fissure in an immense sprawling tree and felt the sweetness and warmth of the milk flowing through my body.

There was no sense of an external being leading me anywhere as in your Pied Piper interpretation, nor of malevolent intent. I suspect the "driver" of automatic body movements is a quasi-autonomous subconscious intelligence in myself, who is more familiar with the world of visions and metaphor than is accessible to my normal consciousness. Psychedelics provide a bridge for this intelligence to communicate and interact with more familiar spheres of awareness with the central intent of unifying and expanding the self.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I have had this many times with Cannabis, I used to go for walks to smoke, and after smoking I often found myself drawn to a particular area - sometimes places I'd never been, I'd keep walking in one direction for a couple of hours, and end up completely lost, or in a dangerous area. It was pretty creepy, at one point I also saw this very strange woman, she seemed to be glowing or something. For some reason I just turned around and followed her, I have no idea why, maybe I wanted to say hey, maybe it was because she was dressed so weird and I wanted to ask about it, or maybe I just ended up heading that direction - I don't really remember, but I ended up walking ahead of her, and I noticed she now started following me, she followed me for about 20 minutes, then seemingly disappeared into thin air.

I don't think she was a "spirit" or anything of the sort, probably just some drunk/tripping/high person dressed extravagantly, and I lost sight of them. However it really freaked me out at the time when I was high hah.

 

[surf.shaman]

what do you mean by this? Or is it supposed to be some sort of koan not solvable by rational reflection??? curious...

By your own accord, you - yourself - are a piper...

"I insisted she come down and follow me and I began to wander further away..." were you not trying to lead her deeper into the woods? she resisted and called you back - what if she had just followed - would you have led? Perhaps a piper can follow a piper of his own?

are you not a non-physical spirit? (what is a physical spirit anyway? is that possible???)

Anyway... I feel that many here are the ones that lead others into the woods. I know I have.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa.]

By your own accord, you - yourself - are a piper...

"I insisted she come down and follow me and I began to wander further away..." were you not trying to lead her deeper into the woods? she resisted and called you back - what if she had just followed - would you have led? Perhaps a piper can follow a piper of his own?

are you not a non-physical spirit? (what is a physical spirit anyway? is that possible???)

Anyway... I feel that many here are the ones that lead others into the woods. I know I have.

I get your post now clearly! :D

I suppose I am a sort of piper after all. Earlier in my life when I was discovering DMT I fashioned myself something of a neo-shaman,...turning lots of people onto DMT smoked experience...now I no longer choose to do this except for people very near and dear to me who are seeking it...but I digress...

ps psoodonym, beautiful story my friend! I have always loved your 'trip reports' (for lack of a better phrase I feel they are more than mere trip reports).

 

[surf.shaman]

I get your post now clearly! :D

I suppose I am a sort of piper after all. Earlier in my life when I was discovering DMT I fashioned myself something of a neo-shaman,...turning lots of people onto DMT smoked experience...now I no longer choose to do this except for people very near and dear to me who are seeking it...but I digress...

ps psoodonym, beautiful story my friend! I have always loved your 'trip reports' (for lack of a better phrase I feel they are more than mere trip reports).

glad you see it - i really think most of us are...

 

[McTwist]

I've had an experience like this long ago in high school. One week after a bad mushroom trip, I decided to dose once more, this time a half eighth, determined I could have a beautiful experience on mushrooms. I lemon tek'd em and the trip started out as last time with anxiety, apprehension, and a feeling of regret. A change of setting, I thought, would cure all. I decided to venture out into the unknown, a feeling I discovered I had always possessed but never realized. It was no night to go for a stroll through the woods either. I went out around 11PM to face a dark, but extremely navigable landscape. The moon was near full, bright enough to allow me to see and create shadows. The wind was fiercely howling, and it was cold, really cold. Bundled up tight I decided I would not turn back now and wandered off. I brought one thing only, my iPod. Through music and nature's beauty, I explored the unexplored lands I had never set foot on before, despite living in the area all of my life. It was very serene. I sat on top of a hay bail staring at the sky, listening to music and feeling the wind blowing upon my face. It was perfect contentedness. Nothing could harm me for my spirit was high and mighty. The trip had been a success. No black out paranoia freak out delusions like I had the last weekend. It was beautiful and the experience allowed me to see just what mushrooms are all about. I felt connected to everything.

To go against criticism from my friends to dose, and then to do the crazy and follow the gut feeling that I needed to change my scenery was incredible, and I am grateful to the mushrooms for allowing me to see their spiritual side. I decided from then on that mushrooms need be treated with respect. It would be two years later till the next time I ate shrooms. I am still waiting on a day when I wander into the abyss once more, but there is no rush. I will know when the time is right. Something will tell me, just as something will tell me when the time is right to embrace DMT. Maybe that something is what the OP is referring to.

 

[schmangle]

Somewhat off track, but I had an interesting experience tracking a porcupine while tripping. Was wandering around in a forest, found a porcupine quill, wandered on a little bit, found another one. I then decided to try to think like a porcupine and went where my heart told me to go and followed his/her trail - dug up gnawed roots, more quills, scratchings in the earth - for over an hour. Eventually I came to a very overgrown dark patch of bushes and rocks and the smell of wild animal was very strong. At that stage I realized I had no desire to actually meet the porcupine, and wandered off. For the hour or so I really felt like my brain had altered, I knew exactly which fork to take, which bush to go around, where I would have rested if I was indeed a porcupine. Was a fascinating experience and has stayed with me always. I still have the quills, some 20 years on.

Have never met any actual "people", although I was once also saved by a hawk when totally lost in a forest tripping extremely hard.