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Basic HEROIN Culture Questions

High ya'll : )
My general H question is: If one were on Fent but can't get it no more and isn't happy with what the doc considers scripting would H then be a viable alternative? Remembering Fentanyl is also highly addictive and one might be more interested in pain control than concerned with addiction. One might also have used H in the past intravenously and is aware of all that but was not in pain at that time. Fent is also very expensive at cost of doc plus cost of script for 5 days worth or less *_*

Hari Om
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yeah if youre bustin through your script in 5 days you might as well start buying heroin instead, itll do the trick.
 
ech0s85 said:
yeah if youre bustin through your script in 5 days you might as well start buying heroin instead, itll do the trick.
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Tks echOs85, is there any trick to avoiding the hook.. Like I read somewheres that if you only use every 4 days then you can avoid physical addiction. When doing it before, always stopped injecting just after the first rushy feeling came on and that was enough but am worried now that wanting to be pain free might tip over the edge with it?
Hari Om
edtree
 
No if you start doing heroin youre just fucked, especially shooting it.

Its no different then what youre already doing with the fent and whatever else though, besides legality.
 
Alright guys lets not start promoting recreational heroin use. Its a slippery slope and although it would do the same thing that fent does its an expensive and dangerous habit.
 
nothing cool in scoring h - like said, i was a wheelman having to drive peeps around and they would break off, seen and done more than another 9,000 people, won't go through the hood at all anymore, in fact they have speeding cams on the freeway entrances into those city areas to penalize unorderly traffic into them, here in the south we have the raw, and the brown, no reason to get all finiky, okay now we have tar too, the mexicans who came in after the hurricanes have their own feifdoms established naturally pretty safe from oinkers....and invitations go out....but not my game anymore, thank the lord.... best to get out now before the law gets more infrared....because the h game is totally stigmatic
 
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euphoricnod said:
Alright guys lets not start promoting recreational heroin use. Its a slippery slope and although it would do the same thing that fent does its an expensive and dangerous habit.
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Don't worry it's for pain (lots of real pain in the ass pain too)cause the damn doc wont give me any fent any more ao gonna have to take my own steps : (
Hari Om
edtree
 
NY vs Bmore dope

Has anyone had both in a reasonable amlunt of time to compare them to see who is the king of quality dope? According to the show The Wire the Co-Op got "the good shit" from NYC. Word on the street though is BMore raw is like the best dope in the US (I would love to have real afghan dope straight out of the lab or the pharmaceutical shit they give to addicts in Sweden).

I wonder if BMore dope really comes from NY like they say on The Wire and the DEA website if I am not mistaking. I know most dope comes from the middle east Iran/Afghanastan via the ports of Holland to the US. I wonder if they come via ship to Baltimore and they got their own line from the middle east or does it all come through NY's ports and work it;s way south.

I know I got the "my life is so horrible" threads because of this addiction but to be honest I LOVE HEROIN. I wish I was in the game high enough to get the pre stepped on shit. BMore raw is the closest I'll ever probably get to pure heroin. In Philly you don't have the option of raw or scramble. It's already cut and everything is branded and people go after whatever the best brand is at that time.

BMore raw is brown which makes me wonder if it is #3 dope with vinegar added to make it injectable because I believe true pure dope is white like the stuff in Philly which I am positive is #4 dope.

I wish the US would wake up and decriminalize drugs. It would lower violent crime, take away the rebel status of it making it less attractive to people using it just to be rebelious, lower prices, thereby lowering crimes to obtain the money to get it. It makes all the sense in the world so it will never happen in this back asswards country but anyway back to the original question.

Can anyone verify what is the best east coast dope? Is it BMore raw, NJ/NY dope, Philly, etc? Basically are there any seasoned well traveled junkies out here to make the comparison?

My experience is Bmore raw and S. Jersey/Delaware and Philly dope. S Jersey and Delaware is Philly dope pretty much just marked up for the transportation costs. You get the same shit in Camden NJ, and Wilmington DE as you do in Philly. Same glassine bags with the same brand for a slightly higher price than driving 20-30 minutes to Philly to save a few dollars per bundle but in Bmore you buy it by the weight and choose from raw or scramble. Raw is supposed to be uncut dope but anyone with a half a brain knows it's cut with something.
 
get out the car.

I am just wondering why when you go to the block to cop dope some dealers will serve you right at your car window, but a lot of them want you or someone to get out of the car.

I hate hate doing this. I have done it plenty of times but everytime I think im gettin either robbed, shot, or arrested.

Anyone know what im talking about, have any stories about times you got outta the car or any idea why they would want you to get out vs. just walkin up to your car?
 
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I imagine the drug-dealing community as a whole are quite paranoid (with good reason), and some just find it more natural just walk down a deserted street, some take you for a ride round in their car, some give you drugs at the window...It's all just the mentality of each individual dealer.
 
lozgod said:
Has anyone had both in a reasonable amlunt of time to compare them to see who is the king of quality dope? According to the show The Wire the Co-Op got "the good shit" from NYC. Word on the street though is BMore raw is like the best dope in the US (I would love to have real afghan dope straight out of the lab or the pharmaceutical shit they give to addicts in Sweden).

I wonder if BMore dope really comes from NY like they say on The Wire and the DEA website if I am not mistaking. I know most dope comes from the middle east Iran/Afghanastan via the ports of Holland to the US. I wonder if they come via ship to Baltimore and they got their own line from the middle east or does it all come through NY's ports and work it;s way south.

I know I got the "my life is so horrible" threads because of this addiction but to be honest I LOVE HEROIN. I wish I was in the game high enough to get the pre stepped on shit. BMore raw is the closest I'll ever probably get to pure heroin. In Philly you don't have the option of raw or scramble. It's already cut and everything is branded and people go after whatever the best brand is at that time.

BMore raw is brown which makes me wonder if it is #3 dope with vinegar added to make it injectable because I believe true pure dope is white like the stuff in Philly which I am positive is #4 dope.

I wish the US would wake up and decriminalize drugs. It would lower violent crime, take away the rebel status of it making it less attractive to people using it just to be rebelious, lower prices, thereby lowering crimes to obtain the money to get it. It makes all the sense in the world so it will never happen in this back asswards country but anyway back to the original question.

Can anyone verify what is the best east coast dope? Is it BMore raw, NJ/NY dope, Philly, etc? Basically are there any seasoned well traveled junkies out here to make the comparison?

My experience is Bmore raw and S. Jersey/Delaware and Philly dope. S Jersey and Delaware is Philly dope pretty much just marked up for the transportation costs. You get the same shit in Camden NJ, and Wilmington DE as you do in Philly. Same glassine bags with the same brand for a slightly higher price than driving 20-30 minutes to Philly to save a few dollars per bundle but in Bmore you buy it by the weight and choose from raw or scramble. Raw is supposed to be uncut dope but anyone with a half a brain knows it's cut with something.
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Actually most dope in the US comes from either Colombia(east coast powder) or Mexico(tar)

Last I checked the DEA reports show the highest purity street heroin comes from Newark and Camden, NJ and Philly. It seems to be about even between these three cities, hell from Philly to NYC is pretty much the dope capital of the US, Philly and NJ are famous for their d

How does d come packaged in bmore? I keep hearing about "raw" and "scramble", but I know little about it besides that raw is apparently purer while scramble is cut...why anyone would want scramble is beyond my comprehension

unfortunately, while decriminalization/legalization makes sense, is logical, and would cut down on crime drastically, we are headed in quite the opposite direction. Just look at the attempts to create "abuse proof" pills and the current public stance on K2 and other legal highs. Everyone wants this substance or that substance banned, it's a kneejerk reaction fueled by the media, which relies on tugging on emotional heartstrings rather than logic and unbiased, scientific facts. It's a vicious cycle; the black market makes drugs more dangerous, and in turn the danger caused by the black market is associated with the drugs rather than said market, and in the case where a drug is dangerous or misused, instead of addressing actual dangers or improper use the drug is used as a scapegoat and demonized. Heroin is considered by many to be the "worst" drug one can do, and one of the most dangerous, but think of how many deaths are caused by dangerous or harmful cuts, or by unknown purity. Of course regulation would ensure known purity of the product and no dangerous additives, but trying to convince the public that regulating hard drugs would be safe and cut down on death and crime would be like trying to convince them that the sky is lime green

I am just wondering why when you go to the block to cop dope some dealers will serve you right at your car window, but a lot of them want you or someone to get out of the car.

I hate hate doing this. I have done it plenty of times but everytime I think im gettin either robbed, shot, or arrested.

Anyone know what im talking about, have any stories about times you got outta the car or any idea why they would want you to get out vs. just walkin up to your car?
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I always get out of my car and walk to the block, driving up to cop is just an unnecessary risk that makes me feel far more vulnerable. Being on foot allows you more maneuverability, more room to disguise what you are doing, and less risk of having your car seized by the police, cuz last thing I want is the cops stealing my property in the name of "fighting drugs"(well, more of my property than they already have8) )
 
I wish I could know how cut up the dope I was getting was...It was always brown powder which I have heard people say is only cut tar but I don't believe it one bit. It fluctuated so much in quality, it is REALLY dangerous for addicts. So can powder be really potent? Or is it just tar cut with a bunch of lactose?

As for packaging, since everyone is talking about that. I used to always get it in quarter gram balloons, that seemed to be machine tied or some shit because they were always uniform. People would try to say there were half g balloons or something, but it would always weigh to a quarter-ish. But yeah colored balloon, then the powder in a safeway (or similar) plastic bag.

Scramble I have heard as H+Diphenhydramine. It is like kiddie heroin or something from rumors I hear, I've never seen it anywhere.
 
lozgod said:
(I would love to have real afghan dope straight out of the lab or the pharmaceutical shit they give to addicts in Sweden).
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Addicts in Sweden get subutex(bupe) or Methadone(this might have been phased out) and it's extremely hard to get on the program, i.e you need years of documented heroin abuse and the wait list is usually 6+months.

In fact drug laws and treatment of drug addicts in Sweden are really draconian, if you are interested you can read more here :
http://www.drugpolicy.org/global/drugpolicyby/westerneurop/sweden/

So it's Switzerland you were referring as they have heroin maintainence programs.

EDIT: It's really sad that pretty much everything that people associated Sweden with in the past is ancient history :(
 
Alright, I posted this in the North American forum, but I'm looking for some advice. I'm located in Chicago.

Everyone here talks about getting pulled over driving through to the dope spots but does anyone have any experience on foot? When I've gone to the West Side it was always in my ex's car but now I don't have a license or a car... None of my friends are willing to drive me out to the West Side to score h off the street. I was thinking about taking the El west (blue line) when I get home. I live in a suburb just north of Chi so it would take a while but I don't have a closer connect or a dope running buddy.

Has anyone here had experience hitting up the block on foot? I am a caucasian/asian mixed young female, sometimes I can look Hispanic. Would i be more at risk from the heat or from the d-boys / neighborhood crackheads/junkies?
 
iris acht said:
Alright, I posted this in the North American forum, but I'm looking for some advice. I'm located in Chicago.

Everyone here talks about getting pulled over driving through to the dope spots but does anyone have any experience on foot? When I've gone to the West Side it was always in my ex's car but now I don't have a license or a car... None of my friends are willing to drive me out to the West Side to score h off the street. I was thinking about taking the El west (blue line) when I get home. I live in a suburb just north of Chi so it would take a while but I don't have a closer connect or a dope running buddy.

Has anyone here had experience hitting up the block on foot? I am a caucasian/asian mixed young female, sometimes I can look Hispanic. Would i be more at risk from the heat or from the d-boys / neighborhood crackheads/junkies?
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you may get dudes tryin to holler at you like "yo shorty come here" and shit like that tryin to pick you up but just ignore them or smile and keep walkin and do ur thang. Heat is always the heroin users biggest threat in the hood if you ask me. I goto one of the most notorious crime capitals of the nation to get my dope and go deep in the hood and I dont worry about the dboys at all. Its the black and white with red/blue on top that im worried about.
 
Iris it sound like you dont got that much experience coppin on your own am i right?

On foot is a good way of coppin in my experience but only for certain kind of people.

If you dont know WTF you doin it might be a bad look.

When you dont know the hood you in cops can tell that whether you in a car or on foot.

I use to live in the city that I copped in. straight up, i was in the hood all the time, my friends was all in the hood, that was my life, I was just another lil hood bitch walkin up the block when I went to cop. I knew where the fuck I was goin, and I didnt give off the vibe of somebody who was coppin. I had paterson regulars drive by me many many times and now that I look back ill put money that the UC tnt narcs also seen me out there a handful of times but nobody never even looked twice at me i had the swag tho u feel me.

One of the highways in the area route 20, was like a kinda borderline around part of the city. it was a highway but not elevated like ur usual route 80, or watever other interstate. It had lil exits where you could get on and off and it would take you right into the regular back streets of the city. so i would just park my car in the parkin lot of one of the biznesses there and my boy worked there so i knew it was cool to leave it there. and then walk up. it was like 8 blocks up and over to this lil bodega that i use to buy my boost minutes at. in paterson they sell 10 dollar boost cards, everywhere else the minimum was 20 dollars. so i would go up there and when i had the extra dough i would put 10 bucks on the reup and my boy would meet me inside the bodega and hand the shit off to me like that int he back of teh store. Grab a C&C , my phone card, stuff the dope in my panties and be out. nobody never once fucked with me all my days of coppin on foot up there.


btw, I know wat u talkin about when u say u may pass for latina. When im in the hood 90% of people I meet always assumes im boricua. even my dealer for the longest time , one day asked me 'u puerto rican right?" so that can work for u.

the one thing u got goin for u is that winter is comin, and coppin on foot in winter is less hot IME. also. My style always been 'hood' as far as dressin, so i didnt stand out like some preppy ass kinda white bitch would. its also better becuz in winter u got a nice heavy coat u can cover up the most of your body with. so in some nikes, some jeans, and the usual northface type puffy jacket with the fur hood pulled up as far over ur face as u can, and walkin slow and smooth with a lil swagga u dont stick out too much. summer more of ur face and body is showin but winter its easier to pass for somebody who just out mindin they bizness.

i would def. recommend at least that much to u, if u gonna try to fuck around on foot.

the thing is tho the important shit is confidence ma. If you aint got that dont bother. Honestly, if you dont even know the basic shit like "will dealers holla at me and try and flag me down or not" I dont think you ready for it and i aint bein mean only bein real. this aint some shit that you can just mess around with. U shouldnt be scared of the dboys just "the boys" aka the police. (I dont know how the slang is out where u at...but here in jerz, if u hear them say "yo, dont come up here right now, the boys is out" that means its hot.

Let me ask you too. Do you got numbers? or did you just used to cop like run up tot he spot and cold cop everytime? I know out there yall go to the tips and just cop from whoever workin and its less of a numbers game than it is out here, we got spots too but most people gets on the bleep and chirp their dealer tell em to meet em becuz its too hot to be fuckin around just cruisin thru the spots without knowin ahead of time if its hot or not.

My suggestions to you is this.

First of all you need to get yo ass a number. who do u usually deal with. get that number from ur connect and tell him that you aint got a whip and you gonna start comin to him by urself, and since u got a long ass train ride to get there, u wanna be able to hit him up before u get there to make sure its all good. u dont wanna take that ride and then get there and he aint around, or its too hot to cop or some shit and then you aint got nowhere to go and gotta hang around bein all sketchy and shit waitin for shit to be good.

once you got a number you can set up some shit and set a place to meet up at and you can walk to there and not have to worry about goin directly to a spot. Maybe he come out a block or 2 down from the spot to be more discreet and u can walk there and it look less sketch than a lil whitegirl walkin right up to the spot u feel me.

Honestly u shouldnt be goin up to no spots at all period, unless its ur first time and u gettin that number. U dont know wat kinda surveillance is goin on and whose eyes are on you. u might think u slick but its never cool to just roll right up like that to the spot even if the coast looks clear they be down there a block or 2 down with binaculars watchin u, u feel me? then they rush in and u never even know where the fuck they came from.

the best thin u can do is get a number from at LEAST one of the dudes you been dealin with, its best to have more the more the better. most of us dope feens at times had at least 10 numbers we could call in the least if one dealer aint work out. u need that option otherwise if u go and ur man aint out u dont wanna be beat and startin from square 1 again.

I understand shit is hard without a car. If i was you , real talk id go there on the train and take a lil walk without no intentions of coppin. Just go and check shit out. get to know the neighborhood and get a feel of the area so you dont get lost or some shit when u need to be quick.

pay attention, observe shit, you should know how to recognize a dealer by now. see where they at, see if they give u the head nod or a lil whistle or "Yeeeeeoooo" and then u know they tryna sell to u. come on this shit should not be new to u, u aint totally new to this right so it aint no different on foot than it was in a car when they flag u down, same shit, u should know how to recognize the signs of who is sellin.

so on this lil , excursion, where you just gettin to know the area and all that , watch all this shit. look for areas where you can have privacy to do a deal at, see if there is a good protected from view spot u can duck into to do a handoff, etc...and once you go by the dealers and get flagged down get some numbers. If after you been payin attention, watchin the area, and it seems all good just buy like one bag or 2 bags, just enough to test shit out and then get the dudes number. that is your real mission with this lil investigation, not to cop but to get to know the spot and to get to know a dealer that you will be able to call beforehand and arrange a meetup with instead of just leavin it to chance.

after that u should have a easier time.

and just remember, when the d boys see u they know wat u want. be straight up. If dudes tryna holla at u like hey ma wats good , this and that, u just tell em yo, i didnt come here for dick i came here for dope so unless you got that, I aint interested.

If you aint sure of yourself and you the type of broad whose used to havin her man cop for her, u got alot to learn and really i cant teacch you that you gonna just have to learn by experience. people is gonna try and take advantage of you and you cant be shy yo u cant be actin like a lil girl. U need to be straight up, strickly bizness, and know wat the fuck u doin so u can get in and out, be slick about it, and get the damn thing done. If u show weakness and play that silly little "im just a girl, dont hurt me, im new to this, my man used to cop for me, can you help me please i dont know wat to do" thats some fresh meat for ppl to chow down on u feel me. Dont front--dont try and be somethin you aint and act all hard and shit if that aint your true nature. But just dont be a little bitch about it. come correct, know your shit, u feel me?

I really only recomment coppin on foot for people who are more veteran coppers. when you dont know wat you doin, its really fucken easy to cop in a car. the risks with the cops are beat, sure, but in a car you at least got some protection and coverage and dont stand out as much. on foot, you really really stand out, so unles you calm, confident and in control you gonna be a magnet for cops and if you aint ready for that , its gonna be a problem. its much better to only cop on foot once you really know your way around the game and you secure in your ability to cop successfully.

I dont wanna make this post last forever so Ima wrap it up but I spent many years coppin , in car and on foot and all type shit, but i know the game in jersey. shit aint the same everywhere u go, but hopefully i helped u a lil bit at least.
 
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