Opioids Using hydromorphone for the first time

[Guitar_Dean]

I got my hands on 40mg of hydromorphone (20 2mg pills). I don't have much of an opiate tolerance. I've used oxycodone occasionally in the past; 20-25mg snorted or 40mg parachuted gets me pretty high.

Anyway, I've read that hydromorphone is really only good for the IV rush, and that the high is worthless. I don't have access to other opiates right now, and I'm a little scared to start IV'ing hydromorphone as my first opiate usage in half a year.

I want to know: (1) Is it safe to IV 1 or 2mgs with no tolerance? (2) Would I get a good rush from it, or would I just get nauseous and generally feel sick? Or both? (3) Would starting with oral/snorting or another ROA instead be a better idea? And if so, what dose / what method?

I probably won't have access to any more opiates, so I want to get the most I can out of this 40mg.

 

[adder]

1) With no tolerance, it's absolutely not safe to inject 1-2mg, imagine you could get something similar to snorted 25mg of oxycodone but everything hits you at one time.

2) Maybe the former, maybe the latter, maybe both.

3) Snorting is the safest way that can produce any desirable effects. Hydromorphone wears off quickly. You can always take more but you can't take less. Re-dosing doesn't cause hydromorphone working weaker (well, apart from developing tolerance). I'd say 4mg snorted would be alright but for the sake of safety you might split it up into 2 doses of 2mg at first (you mentioned no tolerance so I'm guessing it must have been quite a lot of time since you've last used oxycodone, right?). When you know how it affects you, you can a few nice highs from this with "no tolerance".

Why aren't I discussing i.v. option at all? Because 100% of what you get, and to be honest if this is Dilaudid then they're one of the easiest tablets to extract an active ingredient from, it all goes into your bloodstream instantly. I find it superior to heroin (but I also find morphine rush superior to heroin), it doesn't act like someone hit you with a hammer in your head suddenly. Snorted hydromorphone is like 1/2 of the dose absorbed and I guess it's a good start. I forgot to add that starting using needles means that you may run out of those 40mg and seek for other medicines that can be injected or even go to streets to score heroin, both are bad ideas. Trust me, once one starts injecting strong narcotics, then one sees no point in doing it via different route of administration.

Just be advised that SAR (structure-activity relationship) doesn't always tell the truth in 100%. Judging hydromorphone to be 5 times as potent as morphine is stupid, on the the other hand I find oxycodone to be a bit less potent than morphine although SAR tells they should be equal (I mean i.v. now). Firstly, you have to know that cross-tolerance is always not full, and secondly hydromorphone is more like ~7 times as potent as morphine (hydromorphone is closer to oxymorphone in potency than hydrocodone is to oxycodone in practice).

And intranasal bioavailability of both hydromorphone and oxycodone can be different for everyone and can be different even for the same person. Anyway, they both have a similar bioavailability snorted (almost, oxycodone a bit better) so yeah, a bit pushed to write a lot, I agree with what I wrote. <lol>

 

[100mgbluepill]

If you dont want to iv then i would get rid of those. Ive used almost all opiates except herion and opana and i found that snorting k4's didnt really get me high. Just made me feel really tired. I didnt get any sort of euphoria so i just sold them and bought oxy.

In my eyes, i would rather snort than ever get started iv'ing. Just seems to easy to get even more addicted on what is already a very addicting substance.

 

[Bupe]

i'm finding other opioidss very weak now and I shouldnt have much tolerance. I came off bupe a week ago and I feel like 20% of wwhat I should... That iincludes using heroin, opana, fentanyl, and dillaudid. I just shot 16mg dilluddid and felt hardly anything. I'm akso wearing a 50 mcghr fent patch

 

[BIGsherm7272]

I believe that you would be fine IV'ing 1mg personally, when I had no opiate tolerance I had an accident and while in the hopsital they gave me 2mg of hydromorphone IV every 3 hours......But thats just me. 1mg of hydromorphone is roughly equal to 10mg of morphine.

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

I got my hands on 40mg of hydromorphone (20 2mg pills). I don't have much of an opiate tolerance. I've used oxycodone occasionally in the past; 20-25mg snorted or 40mg parachuted gets me pretty high. .

you know 40mg parachuted wouldget u WAYYY higher than 25mgs snorted (oxycodone)

and since uhave alow tolerance... u can take sayy try 8mg snorted

unless u want to start shooting and ruin ur life, than go for it
hah i cant believe u even thinking of shooting, some peeps can be pathetic.

just so uknow, once ustart shooting, ull never be able to become sober for life ever again, no chance...ive never read about or met anyone who has shot who isnt strugglin with opiate addicted still

but i know people wh dont "struggle" with opiate addiction who only used to pop, its a hole other level bra.

shootin, having marks allll on urself, not nly discusting..but a reminder EVERYDAY how good an opiate high is......impossible just impossble to stay sober after u start shootign a few times

 

[adder]

If you dont want to iv then i would get rid of those. Ive used almost all opiates except herion and opana and i found that snorting k4's didnt really get me high. Just made me feel really tired. I didnt get any sort of euphoria so i just sold them and bought oxy.

In my eyes, i would rather snort than ever get started iv'ing. Just seems to easy to get even more addicted on what is already a very addicting substance.

I didn't know suggesting dealing is harm-reducing. Anyway, you're right that hydromorphone is actually the true bliss i.v.'ed but let's say I'm in Canada and I'm willing to buy those from OP. Looking at my tolerance now, it would be 4 shots for me so I wouldn't accept high price for it even if I was desperate, 4 shots would cost me here less than $10. It's no business unless heroin is of low quality and expensive where OP lives and he knows some heroin addict who would pay enough for it so OP can buy OC.

BTW, OC has new formulation now, right? Have it already been introduced in Canada? If so, it's really no business.

 

[wrxya33]

i have about a 40mg tolerance to oc snorted to get a decent buzz. 80 to floor me. i do one 8mg hydromorphone and it feels a bit stronger then 40mg of oc. But thats just my personal experience.

 

[hedon]

im jeaulous i want 40mg of dillies...id prob put 12-16mg and slam it into my arm...but u shouldnt try that at home

 

[Captain.Heroin]

The high is definitely worth it, the rush is great but so is the high.

 

[dmcheatw]

if you inject 1 mg to start you won't die or anything... you might get really itchy, sweaty, and nauseus though, but i think really what will happen is you will have a nice time i started with 1 mg and worked my way up to 6mg before i ran out. if only i had more willpower i could have made them last a lot longer

 

[Georgie25]

just so uknow, once ustart shooting, ull never be able to become sober for life ever again, no chance...ive never read about or met anyone who has shot who isnt strugglin with opiate addicted still

Little extreme eh? I know first hand how bad IV heroin addiction or IV anything can be, but to say that anyone who IV's will be hopelessly addicted and never recover from it is very stupid and wrong because there's been lots of people, including famous writers, actors, musicians, all walks of life who used to be addicted and would IV their DOC and have went to rehab or whatever else they did to get clean and have stayed clean since. So don't know what DARE book you been jerking off too but don't be posting wrong info like you know what it's like.

 

[Keif' Richards]

I couldn't tell from the post whether or not you've ever IV'ed before. If not, than the answer to this question is to not try to do it yourself. With that said though, if you do IV, I would say you're safe to do 1mg and maybe even 2. If you have had prior experience with opiates than I don't think you have too much of a problem. I wouldn't call the high post-rush "worthless", but it's definitely inferior to most opiates, and it certainly doesn't last very long.

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

Little extreme eh? I know first hand how bad IV heroin addiction or IV anything can be, but to say that anyone who IV's will be hopelessly addicted and never recover from it is very stupid and wrong because there's been lots of people, including famous writers, actors, musicians, all walks of life who used to be addicted and would IV their DOC and have went to rehab or whatever else they did to get clean and have stayed clean since. So don't know what DARE book you been jerking off too but don't be posting wrong info like you know what it's like.

wrong info? just cuz uv shot up before ur takin offense

famous writers and actors? wtf, u dont know them..they are strugling every day they wake up on...

not having needs marks up and down ur arms, inbetween ur fingers and toes, the insides of ur thys makes it 1000000x easier....
being reminded everytime u stretch in the morning of how good IV is, whenever u cut ur nails/toes, whenever u take ur socks off, whenever u take a shit,,, u are reminded of it ALLL DAY.

please defy that statement

 

[Georgie25]

wrong info? just cuz uv shot up before ur takin offense

famous writers and actors? wtf, u dont know them..they are strugling every day they wake up on...

not having needs marks up and down ur arms, inbetween ur fingers and toes, the insides of ur thys makes it 1000000x easier....
being reminded everytime u stretch in the morning of how good IV is, whenever u cut ur nails/toes, whenever u take ur socks off, whenever u take a shit,,, u are reminded of it ALLL DAY.

please defy that statement

Lol. How does taking a shit once clean from opiates for years effect it in anyway? Constipation stops once the opiates are out of your system. And most if not all junkies dont "shoot up in between their toes", that's a myth. The veins down there are very low pressure and you don't get a good high at all, let alone it hurts like fuck to put a needle in your foot, let alone your damn toe. And I been clean for 8 months from IVing heroin and my trackmarks (which I only have been i was stupid and re used old needles due to not having any money, but if you use a new rig everytime you wont have track marks that are noticable at all) are not even visible anymore. Once you get clean for a good ammount of time all those problems you mentioned disppear. And no I am not reminded of it all day, over long periods of time, months to years, your brain recovers and you eventually loss your cravings for opiates. I've read books about famous musicians (Nikki Sixx for one and tons of other ones do a google search for famous recovered heroin addicts and prove yourself wrong) and tons of other people who have gotten clean and now live a very successful life free from their past opiate lifestyle and there's people on this site (in the dark side mostly) who have successuly gotten clean and now live a totally normal life so saying you cant get better is bullshit and wrong.

And no when I stretch in the mornign im not reminded of how good heroin is, what the fuck does that even mean? Stop reading bullshit propoganda and scare tactics I lived the life on the personal level and im telling you there's recovered IV users in all walks of life, jsut cause your friends havnt been able to do it doesnt mean their aint the rest of the world. :D

 

[scottd420]

wrong info? just cuz uv shot up before ur takin offense

famous writers and actors? wtf, u dont know them..they are strugling every day they wake up on...

not having needs marks up and down ur arms, inbetween ur fingers and toes, the insides of ur thys makes it 1000000x easier....
being reminded everytime u stretch in the morning of how good IV is, whenever u cut ur nails/toes, whenever u take ur socks off, whenever u take a shit,,, u are reminded of it ALLL DAY.

please defy that statement

I'm a living, breathing example. I used to IV coke but stopped because I got bored with it and realized the high/rush wasn't going to get any better no matter what I did, and I had priorities to look after: school, work, family. I haven't used in years and I have no intention to.

P.S Try something called proper injection technique--as Georgie said, use a fresh rig every time--swab your injection area, rotate your spots and a little use of Vitamin E/B5 cream will take you a long way. You'd be surprised what you can accomplish if you set your mind to it .

I am currently doing physiotherapy and going to school and hope to be back to work soon since I was off for a while due to injury. EVERYONE has the willpower to stop, but they also have the choice to keep on using.

Good luck everyone, I don't think about it "ALLL DAY" or at all for that matter, so you shouldn't be bothered either. Take care and be safe.


...Defied...

 

[Georgie25]

I'm a living, breathing example. I used to IV coke but stopped because I got bored with it and realized the high/rush wasn't going to get any better no matter what I did, and I had priorities to look after: school, work, family. I haven't used in years and I have no intention to.

P.S Try something called proper injection technique including swabbing your injection area, rotate your spots and a little Vitamin E/B5 cream will take you a long way. You'd be surprised what you can accomplish if you set your mind to it .

I am currently doing physiotherapy and going to school and hope to be back to work soon since I was off for a while due to injury. EVERYONE has the willpower to stop, but they also have the choice to keep on using.

Good luck everyone, I don't think about it "ALLL DAY" or at all for that matter, so you shouldn't be bothered either. Take care and be safe.


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exactly bro, good job on getting clean by the way. People who havn't been in the IV drug life themselves jsut don't understand how it really works and have to base their "facts of information" from urban legends, myths, and all together wrong info. But everybody has to have their own opinion on every single subject don't they? Even if they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about! Just don't try posting that shit as if it's some kind of fact when it isn't.

 

[scottd420]

exactly bro, good job on getting clean by the way. People who havn't been in the IV drug life themselves jsut don't understand how it really works and have to base their "facts of information" from urban legends, myths, and all together wrong info. But everybody has to have their own opinion on every single subject don't they? Even if they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about! Just don't try posting that shit as if it's some kind of fact when it isn't.

Georgie, I respect you more on this board so far than any of the other fellow "vets". I entirely agree with you when you say that everyone has to stand up and do the research before judging, everyone should have their own opinion about it. I have been a visitor to this site since 2005 but was always a reader and never a poster. Indeed all you say is true, until you've walked in those shoes, you'll never know the truth or magnitude of possible consequences.

I also had my little fully-dependant dance with Dilaudid as I'm sure many have and I found it was the exact same. I just used coke as my example because of how ultra-fiendish the behavior can be--not saying the opioids weren't their own ball game, because they are.
It really is bullshit how much false information is tossed around on this site. Before it made me chuckle; but as you and I are doing now, it sure feels great to pass the message along that not all of the smoke screen propaganda is true.

I respect you all; but I'd like to thank Georgie for standing up against the negative crowd using his wealth of experience and first-hand knowledge to help teach. That is real harm-reduction--also in the name of the same, 2mg is a great starting dose for IV hydromorphone.

 

[hale]

IV 1-2 mg and see how it does you...you can def handle it.

increase dose from there if you need, you will love it.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I want to know: (1) Is it safe to IV 1 or 2mgs with no tolerance? (2) Would I get a good rush from it, or would I just get nauseous and generally feel sick? Or both? (3) Would starting with oral/snorting or another ROA instead be a better idea? And if so, what dose / what method?

1) If you are strictly asking if you will overdose from 1 or 2mg of dilaudid the first time you inject, no, you won't. Those are very common threshold/beginner doses.

2) I got a great rush and a really good four hour long high from injecting 1mg my first and only time. Your results may vary.

3) Yes, unless you are proficient in injecting and are also planning on using micron filters. Some people say you would be wasting it not to IV it, but that's a subjective thing, since others have reported good experiences from oral/nasal doses as well. The other ROA's will be less potent, so 2mg might be a good starting dose for nasal, and maybe 2 to 4 mg for an oral dose.

please defy that statement

please spell correctly next time???

This isn't the place to argue, nor to go off topic.

Since this is a BDD related topic, I'm going to close it, since I've in-depth answered his questions, and so have others.

Closed.