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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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They only thing I dont like is the fact that snorting Suboxone 8mg tablets. they are so big cause of the nalaxone, its like adding sugar to your oxies and then crushing them up and snorting them. I cant wait until im on generic subutex only ten more days to go(hopefully) hopefully Ill get the roxaine generic it said on the bottle 8.64mg's of buprenorphine for a a 8mg prescription. im surprised they can do that. more bang for your buck

does snorting suboxone really make it into your lungs?
 
They only thing I dont like is the fact that snorting Suboxone 8mg tablets. they are so big cause of the nalaxone, its like adding sugar to your oxies and then crushing them up and snorting them. I cant wait until im on generic subutex only ten more days to go(hopefully) hopefully Ill get the roxaine generic it said on the bottle 8.64mg's of buprenorphine for a a 8mg prescription. im surprised they can do that. more bang for your buck

does snorting suboxone really make it into your lungs?

In every 8mg Suboxcone pill, there is only 2mg of naloxone. Each 8mg Suboxone pill weighs approximately 400mg (I belive 390-400 is more accurate - I have an exact number in a different thread) - so this means that 0.5% of Suboxone is naloxone, by weight (almost nothing). Buprenorphine is only 2% of Suboxone by weight, making Suboxone a very cut opiate.

If you want to minimize the amount of inactives you are insuffulating, try making a nasal spray solution, and cotton filter it with cotton that has been compacted before using it. :) (or you could micron filter the nasal spray solution after using a cotton, but most people aren't willing to go that far).

So I have to wait until I'm in somesort of WD to take these subs?

I've never taken them before and don't really know how they work..

You need to be in full withdrawal (how long into WD depends on the opiate(s) you are using) before taking Suboxone, otherwise you run the risk of getting precipitated withdrawal.

Did you try reading the first few posts of the mega thread?
 
Yeah I did but from what I was seeing was people talking about alreadu being on subs..not a first time..but I didn't look to hard
 
Yeah I did but from what I was seeing was people talking about alreadu being on subs..not a first time..but I didn't look to hard

Hey man, im glad your choosing to go onto suboxone(assuming you were an opiate addict)....it allows for a much more healthy and fullfilling lifestyle. I cant tell you how much better my life is and how much happier I am ever since I started taking suboxone.

Yes, you do need to be in withdrawals before you take your first dose of suboxone, but everyone is different and some people can take it earlier than others without having to worry about the precipitated withdrawals(in case your not familiar with PW's,.....imagine the worst withdrawal experience from...oh, lets say heroin...or whatever your opiate of choice was...and multiply that by 25 and then youll get an idea of how bad preciitated withdrawals are.) Ive only had PW's once and it only lasted 20 minutes but I will NEVER forget those 20 minutes. The less opiates you have in your system filling up the opiate receptors, the shorter amount of time you will be in PW's(that is only if you happen to get PW's). I only had a little bit of opiates left in my system so thats why it only lasted 20 minutes, but it was still enough to teach me the true meaning of pain.

Anyway(sorry I have a habit of talking ALOT or going off on tangents) you should wait until your moderately sick from withdrawing from opiates before you dose your sub. You know, like, nose running, hot/cold sweats, achyness, etc...those symptoms are a sign that you no longer have opiates in your system making you feel good and that its ok to take the suboxone.

Basically, the best advice is....wait as looooong as you can before you cant stand it anymore before taking the suboxone. People with little willpower will have a much harder time doing this than others and are much more likely to get PW's
 
does snorting suboxone really make it into your lungs?

Another issue that affects your physical health is inhaling the pill dust into your lungs. If you're experiencing CHEST PAINS after snorting Suboxone, chances are you're seriously harming your airways and not just your nose. IMO, it's a far greater cause for concern than any potential damage to the nose, yet it is rarely mentioned and most people don't even realize as it happens. One obvious way to tell if this is happening is if after snorting the pill powder in, you exhale out any dust from your mouth. Also, pay attention to see if you have any difficultly inhaling easily or feel the need to stop inhaling/exhale prematurely (like when you take a large bong rip) during insufflation of the powder, as these are sure signs that pill dust is entering your lungs and irritating them. If so, I would advise quick, deep breathing in and out of the mouth in an attempt to expel any unsettled dust from your lungs.

Pills that are designed to be taken sublingually are easier to crush and result in an extremely fine powder compared to oral (especially time-release) formulations like OxyContin, which is nearly impossible to crush as finely as Suboxone. Such fine powders will stay airborne longer than those which are more coarse. Because of this, snorting pills like Suboxone will cause a significant amount of pill dust to be inhaled into the lungs, whereas snorting crushed OxyContin is less (although still somewhat) hazardous because a greater percentage of the pill will settle in the nasal cavities/throat before reaching the lungs.

[As a side note, pound for pound (hopefully not that much though), inhaling OxyContin dust is much worse than Suboxone dust [I'd imagine] because OxyContin contains TALC, which is EXTREMELY BAD for your lungs. If I remember correctly, talc is carcinogenic (causes cancer) and cannot be removed by the body once inside your lungs, although this could be incorrect or inaccurate. I am also assuming Suboxone doesn't contain talc because it's sublingual and almost entirely soluble, and talc is insoluble. If anyone knows definitively, DO TELL!]

Regardless, dust of any kind is inherently dangerous to breathe, but is to some degree an inevitability; this is why we have hair in our nose and only breathe through our mouths during activities like strenuous exercise (or taking a break from sucking dick for crack). The nasal passage functions as a sort of "air filter" by trapping dust, dirt, hair, and other airborne particles before they reach the lungs. But when you purposely inhale a large amount of very fine material into your nostril(s) all at once, the nose's filtering ability is significantly reduced, if not almost entirely eliminated, especially when repeated on a daily basis for extended periods of time.

Basically, if you experience chest pain after snorting Suboxone, it's probably because you're inhaling powdered Suboxone into your lungs, causing all sorts of damage and irritation.

As far as advice, try dissolving the pills in a nasal spray solution and squirting/dropping it into your nose. In fact, if you're gonna dissolve them, try filtering out the insolubles using a coffee filter, and see if you can find a way to get all that nasty sugar out while you're at it. Hopefully this helps someone...

This was posted by GOT BEANS? in another thread.
 
Hey everyone, I am back. Feel free to ask me any questions you might have. :)

How do you guys snort suboxone?

After snorting, during the day I am fine, but right when the night rolls around my nose gets severely clogged. I can not breathe out of my nose what so ever. It is 110% clogged up. I try blowing my nose as hard as I can but I can't get any air through there and I end up popping my ears. I would like to snort my bupe as I feel it works better as intended. It's effecting my sleep a lot too. I have had dreams of drowning simply because I will close my mouth during sleep and try to use my nose but not being able to breathe gets associated with my dream. It's really scary and concerning me.

Anyone have similar experiences ?

:) Thanks
 
I woke up with some minor wDs and saw I had 80bucks in my pocket..I wenty and bought dope...figured this was gonna be the last time I'd get high this week..

I only snort my dope and don't get super serious WDs, I more or less do the dope for something to do..and rarely go 2days with out getring high..the day after I get high I'm cool for the most part not really any WDs then day 2 I'll wake up with the chills and shits and then I normally go get some money and get high..would the WDs get worse after day 2 and that be more ideal or are the chills and shits and runny nose a good sign?

Another question is I'm a big dude but not huge..I weigh like215 and I'm 6'1 and when I ge high ill snort about 8 or 9 bags of dope...what do you think would be a good amout of sub to take? My buddy who gave it to me said 2mg or less since I don't shoot it but I don't know? And is the subs gonna fuck me up? I ask bc I'm a get high at night guy like after 6pm only and was wondering if I wake up with the WDs and take the sub am I gonna be noddin all day or is it just gonna take yhe sick away? I don't like being fucked up all day
 

Well, I don't snort Suboxone (as I am sure you have picked up by now, I am IVing buprenorphine). But this is how I would do it if I was going to...

However if I was going to do it, I would make a solution in water (with a preservative so I could have it sitting around for a while), and filter it with a micron filter (use cotton at least for intra-nasal use, it will help remove the insolubles and large particles). If you are wondering how to dissolve the pills in water, you can use a pill crusher before putting it in water so it dissolves quickly.

Using a nasal spray solution is easier on the nose and is less likely to cause congestion.

If congestion still occurs, you might want to clean up your living quarters and/or use some pseudoephedrine.

Furthermore - sorry to everyone for not responding earlier. My apartment's air conditioner is broken (and should be fixed tomorrow - hopefully?) so it has been 80 to 90 ° F in here, I have basically been sleeping in a pile of my own sweat. :o

I woke up with some minor wDs and saw I had 80bucks in my pocket..I wenty and bought dope...figured this was gonna be the last time I'd get high this week..

I only snort my dope and don't get super serious WDs, I more or less do the dope for something to do..and rarely go 2days with out getring high..the day after I get high I'm cool for the most part not really any WDs then day 2 I'll wake up with the chills and shits and then I normally go get some money and get high..would the WDs get worse after day 2 and that be more ideal or are the chills and shits and runny nose a good sign?

Another question is I'm a big dude but not huge..I weigh like215 and I'm 6'1 and when I ge high ill snort about 8 or 9 bags of dope...what do you think would be a good amout of sub to take? My buddy who gave it to me said 2mg or less since I don't shoot it but I don't know? And is the subs gonna fuck me up? I ask bc I'm a get high at night guy like after 6pm only and was wondering if I wake up with the WDs and take the sub am I gonna be noddin all day or is it just gonna take yhe sick away? I don't like being fucked up all day

IME, heroin withdrawals were the worst on day 3 (days 2 to 4 being "the worst" I guess....), but I didn't even start to feel right until 1-2 weeks had passed by.

The chills and shits and runny nose are a good enough sign, as long as you haven't used heroin for 18-24 hours (which it sounds like that is correct).

2mg is a good amount to start with - this way you can use 2mg later on in the day if needed. Try to gauge how the first 2mg effects you to determine if you need more or not. :)

If you don't take "too much" Suboxone, you won't be nodding out all day long. At a conservative dose, Suboxone's effects are kind of stimulating.
if your doing 8 or 9 bags 2mg of sub will take the sick away but I wouldnt expect any amazing rec effects

This is correct.

After 1 week (or so), you will get better effects from Suboxone, as your natural opiate tolerance declines.
 
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any tips on potentiating the europhia for recreational use? i have no opiate tolerance, have done just under 2mg over the course of the day (about 1.7 i think), its really nice, sedating, body feels great, sense of well being, not mad europhia but still nice, ive had 1.5mg xanax (these i can eat like sweets, but still im being very careful with other downers), and 2 Chlorpheniramines for itches and slight sedation adding, anything else reccomended or does this sound a good combo for the day/evening, i take it with no tolerance this should last way into the evening/night? (its nearly 4pm here, started about midday).

thanks to any tips
 
Well, I don't snort Suboxone (as I am sure you have picked up by now, I am IVing buprenorphine). But this is how I would do it if I was going to...

However if I was going to do it, I would make a solution in water (with a preservative so I could have it sitting around for a while), and filter it with a micron filter (use cotton at least for intra-nasal use, it will help remove the insolubles and large particles). If you are wondering how to dissolve the pills in water, you can use a pill crusher before putting it in water so it dissolves quickly.

Using a nasal spray solution is easier on the nose and is less likely to cause congestion.

If congestion still occurs, you might want to clean up your living quarters and/or use some pseudoephedrine.

Ah...Alrighty. I might just stick to subling usage. Thanks though :)
 
ive been on bupe 2 years and i noticed this past year that once every few months ill wake up really shaky and start puking til im about to choke. does neone else who is on bupe maintence exp. nausea ever? this question isnt for people with zero tolerance to bupe becuz yall will puke unless u take a low enuff dose. im on 1.5mg day iv roa
 
ive been on bupe 2 years and i noticed this past year that once every few months ill wake up really shaky and start puking til im about to choke. does neone else who is on bupe maintence exp. nausea ever? this question isnt for people with zero tolerance to bupe becuz yall will puke unless u take a low enuff dose. im on 1.5mg day iv roa

I take bupe daily as well....around 0.5-1.5 mg's a day IV.....so pretty much the same situation.

I have never experienced anything like that since ive been on bupe....

...but, in my opinion, since it only happens "every few months", it probably has nothing to do with the suboxone....because thats a medication you take daily, if there were problems/interactions with the bupe, you would feel/experience it probably on a daily basis.

...sounds to me like there is a whole other medical issue going on here that you need to look into. There just isn't enough information that can be said in a post to help diagnose that.....you need to see a doctor so he can fully examine you and your medical history...etc.....

....good luck man.
 
yea i thought i read capt h or another who said they get nausea, i was curious if they exp the same as me. it def is the bupe causing it
 
yea i thought i read capt h or another who said they get nausea, i was curious if they exp the same as me. it def is the bupe causing it

are you reusing cottons? bupe seems to attract bacteria really easily. i've gotten sick from reusing old cottons out of laziness. make sure you use clean equipment every time, and im fairly sure you won't get the shakes
 
What a good day LOL my second GOOD pharmacy screw up.

1)A while ago I got a script of TRAZODONE - Big ass WHITE pills. I open the bottle to find half trazodone and half small blue xanax WTF - needless to say I said nothing and ate all the xanax.


2)Today I got prescibed 7x 8mg subs (and some other stuff non important). I go to take one out and instantly somethings wrong. There are 14. The presciption+label said 7 for 7 day supply MUAHHAHHAHA
 
Almost instant tolerance increase in 36 hours

I got some 8mg subutex's to play with yesterday morning, about 36 hours ago, i have no opiate tolerance, just rarely as a treat, i started with 1mg sublingual with nice relaxing effects, topped up 0.5mg in a line and spent alot of the day happy, typical opiate buzz, itchs, warmness, occasional top ups in the afternoon (like 0.2/0.3mg lines), evening i was able to sublingual another 1.5mgish..


anyway its now the next day at 7pm here in uk, ive gone through 2 8mg subutexs? how, im still feeling a bit opiated but its not that strong, i havent been sick once and dont, do u think the steady working up i did raised the tolerance too much? i mean i wouldnt do over 1.5/2mg in a dose but a few hours after i seem to be able to repeat that dose with ease, could it be a metabolism thing? i come up and down on things real fast so maybe thats it?

im not sure but welcome to suggestions.

thanks/
 
I got some 8mg subutex's to play with yesterday morning, about 36 hours ago, i have no opiate tolerance, just rarely as a treat, i started with 1mg sublingual with nice relaxing effects, topped up 0.5mg in a line and spent alot of the day happy, typical opiate buzz, itchs, warmness, occasional top ups in the afternoon (like 0.2/0.3mg lines), evening i was able to sublingual another 1.5mgish..


anyway its now the next day at 7pm here in uk, ive gone through 2 8mg subutexs? how, im still feeling a bit opiated but its not that strong, i havent been sick once and dont, do u think the steady working up i did raised the tolerance too much? i mean i wouldnt do over 1.5/2mg in a dose but a few hours after i seem to be able to repeat that dose with ease, could it be a metabolism thing? i come up and down on things real fast so maybe thats it?

im not sure but welcome to suggestions.

thanks/

The reason is because suboxone is extreamly strong for people with no opiate tolerance. It has a long half life so your not going up and down, rather up, level, up more.

Back when I had no tolerance I would take a 4 or 8 and being jammed out of my mind. I got SO jammed the skin burnt off my face, LITERALLY. So I wouldn;t recommend this, just saying

Edit: as for nausea I have odenestron (anti chemo drug) and it works WONDERS. Could pound straight alcohol and not puke, however its $240 for 20 pills w/o insurace, but I got prescibed 1 script the day after my insurance kicked in :) Its not hard to get (I dont think) but works wonders for any nausea. Really not a long term solutiion, just sayin
 
has anybody here tried buprenorphine with cyclizine?

I can't say that I have, is cyclizine OTC?

ive been on bupe 2 years and i noticed this past year that once every few months ill wake up really shaky and start puking til im about to choke. does neone else who is on bupe maintence exp. nausea ever? this question isnt for people with zero tolerance to bupe becuz yall will puke unless u take a low enuff dose. im on 1.5mg day iv roa

I sure do needlejuice, I get nauseous daily. Even after I have already used buprenorphine. I don't really have any tolerance to buprenorphine either.

What a good day LOL my second GOOD pharmacy screw up.

1)A while ago I got a script of TRAZODONE - Big ass WHITE pills. I open the bottle to find half trazodone and half small blue xanax WTF - needless to say I said nothing and ate all the xanax.


2)Today I got prescibed 7x 8mg subs (and some other stuff non important). I go to take one out and instantly somethings wrong. There are 14. The presciption+label said 7 for 7 day supply MUAHHAHHAHA

Ohhhh nice man! I'd love to go to the pharmacy you're going to. =D

My favorite is when the doctor put a refill on the RX and you didn't realize that until after you left the dr's office.
 
The reason is because suboxone is extreamly strong for people with no opiate tolerance. It has a long half life so your not going up and down, rather up, level, up more.

Back when I had no tolerance I would take a 4 or 8 and being jammed out of my mind. I got SO jammed the skin burnt off my face, LITERALLY. So I wouldn;t recommend this, just saying

Edit: as for nausea I have odenestron (anti chemo drug) and it works WONDERS. Could pound straight alcohol and not puke, however its $240 for 20 pills w/o insurace, but I got prescibed 1 script the day after my insurance kicked in :) Its not hard to get (I dont think) but works wonders for any nausea. Really not a long term solutiion, just sayin


i dont really understand this, so your saying the 16mg of buprenorphine ive had either subbed or snorted in the past is still in my system and getting stronger? :P i just did a tiny line and now its getting weaker, its gotta just be tolerance going up to quickly.

seriously if someone with no tolerance to opiates put 16mg buprenorphine under their tounge and whilst on benzos they would be dead im sure, im fine as ive spread it out :)
 
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