New Drugs in the future???

[Visionary_Kpsycho]

Well, Shulgins book is already out (I think?) Were are the new RC's?? Does anyone know any new funky chemicals that are expected to come out? We already seen Meph? Anything else?

 

[Phener]

Well, Shulgins book is already out (I think?) Were are the new RC's?? Does anyone know any new funky chemicals that are expected to come out? We already seen Meph? Anything else?

and there was me in a MAD panic to check amazon books, shulgins new book is not out! Unless someone fills me in pretty quick and I sit waiting grinding my teeth for 24 hours until it arrives. Assume you might mean Isoquinolone book but that was more of a random reference.

To be honest the WAY things have panned out recently: I.e Operation Web-tryp, shulgin himself commenting on how the day 5-meo-dalt was leaked 2 weeks later a custom synth from china had arrived on the shores of america. I would bet you any money that even the man himself is questioning the ethics of releasing such a book in todays fast moving economy. If not that then at least the methodology and way he releases his book. (Am sure I read somewhere theories to the tune of when he dies - dread the thought). Think when he released PIHKAL the internet was nothing like it is today, it took till 2004 for the crack down to occur. Also I do even wonder how many new compounds he actually has tested recently, ooh the mind boggles.

I do really wonder what would happen in a book such as PIHKAL was released TODAY - It would certainly be a different situation than back in 1995.

 

[atara]

I've got a hunch that the NBOMe-2Cs will catch on. They're easy to make, and the reaction that adds the methoxybenzyl uses an intermediate that is already necessary for making 2Cs. Plus, they're really potent, which means nice profit margins. And if it's true that they're less anxiogenic than your typical psych (less 5-ht2c activation), they'll probably be popular with buyers, too.

 

[MurphyClox]

I've got a hunch that the NBOMe-2Cs will catch on. They're easy to make, and the reaction that adds the methoxybenzyl uses an intermediate that is already necessary for making 2Cs. Plus, they're really potent, which means nice profit margins. And if it's true that they're less anxiogenic than your typical psych (less 5-ht2c activation), they'll probably be popular with buyers, too.

They also showed frequently idiosyncratic reactions amongst the users!
Despite their impressive potency I personally consider them far too dangerous for the masses.

But then again, what is not popular nowadays? The RC-market will kill these anyway within shortest time...


- Murphy

 

[SpecialK_]

Is the new Shulgin book going to be readily available on websites such as Erowid or will it be a purchase only? Quite interested in giving it a look at.

 

[atara]

They also showed frequently idiosyncratic reactions amongst the users!
Despite their impressive potency I personally consider them far too dangerous for the masses. Just my 2 cent.

- Murphy

You mean the dude who took ten times an active dose and ended up in the hospital with apnea episodes?

I'll be honest, it's pretty scary, but I think somewhere in the N-benzyls you'll find something interesting, even if it's not NBOMe. Plus, 2C-T-7 had the same ugly safety margin, and that didn't prevent its popularity (perhaps unfortunately). Maybe I'm too cynical, but vendors haven't seemed terribly concerned about safety lately.

 

[MurphyClox]

No, I'm not referring to any kind of complete retard who thought that it was a day for winners.
I speak about plain, normal and sane drug users, who tested some of the NBOMe-2Cs in the 1-digit-mg-range. And when I say 'some', I mean more than just one derivative. The NBOMe-2Cs, at least some of them, are quite unpredictable!

I agree though, there ARE gems among this class of compounds, but these do not belong into a forum, which is frequently used as inspiration for the next RC to come.


- Murphy

 

[atara]

No, I'm not referring to any kind of complete retard who thought that it was a day for winners.
I speak about plain, normal and sane drug users, who tested some of the NBOMe-2Cs in the 1-digit-mg-range. And when I say 'some', I mean more than just one derivative. The NBOMe-2Cs, at least some of them, are quite unpredictable!

I agree though, there ARE gems among this class of compounds, but these do not belong into a forum, which is frequently used as inspiration for the next RC to come.


- Murphy

In that case, I suppose I didn't study the compounds enough. You're right in that I shouldn't have been hinting at what I was hinting at without knowing more about the things.

u.u

My revised answer, then, is anything that isn't the next mephedrone.

 

[MurphyClox]

I hate to say it, but at the moment everything looks indeed like these will the next RCs to come. You were absolutely right. Despite any warnings, these compounds get exploited anyway.
There were warnings regarding BTCP - but it hit the market.
There were warnings regarding some of the JWHs - still, JWH-018 remains the most popular of them to date.
There were warnings regarding mephedrone - but blue fingers and knees showed up as fast as the drug itself.
All these warnings came from people who knew what they were talking about - nonetheless did we see desaster happen. And now what? Analogue laws in the UK, USA; dunno about Australia. Several JHWs and cathinones prohibited throughout Europe and the rest of the the western world.



Sad days!

Don't get me wrong, but looking at the past development of the goddamned "recreational chemical"-market, I really started to detest threads like this one. I understand the curiosity of the OP, but it doesn't help a thing.


- Murphy

 

[Phener]

Don't get me wrong, but looking at the past development of the goddamned "recreational chemical"-market, I really started to detest threads like this one. I understand the curiosity of the OP, but it doesn't help a thing.


- Murphy

Catch 22 really. Personally I would prefer to discuss them and risk revealing information.

E.g SPICE (your classic case of not revealing the ingredient) was seriously unethical (I hear so many of you roar with anger as it pleased so many people! I am sure many of you will reminise but it could so well have gone very wrong). If someone buys JWH-018 as a research chemical they know damn well what THEY are risking. It's not really the same when they buy a supposed "herbal blend" when really it's a research chemical.

 

[atara]

Oh, right. Ahem. 4-OH-AET and MMDA-2. Cough.

 

[any major dude]

Catch 22 really. Personally I would prefer to discuss them and risk revealing information.

E.g SPICE (your classic case of not revealing the ingredient) was seriously unethical (I hear so many of you roar with anger as it pleased so many people! I am sure many of you will reminise but it could so well have gone very wrong). If someone buys JWH-018 as a research chemical they know damn well what THEY are risking. It's not really the same when they buy a supposed "herbal blend" when really it's a research chemical.

Good post. I find myself torn sometimes as well about whether or not to post about potentially new & interesting chemicals. But i feel that this risk is not unique to this community. Any technology (practically) has the potential to be bastardized & used in a harmful manner. Also, since my interest lies more with psychedelics and not stims/empathogens, their popularity is inherently limited and thus information regarding those seems less likely to be poached & abused by vendors. Granted this would still likely happen at least some of the time, but there won't be 6-APB trainwreck style threads regarding NBOMe 2c's, tweetios or eth-lad & the like.

 

[tryp2fun]

I don't agree that Shulgin's book is going to trigger a wave of new compounds on RC sites. There are still a lot of active compounds in PIHKAL that have not yet hit the RC scene. What about the 2-C-X-EtOs? And things like escaline and proscaline? These are easily made. Why do some compounds appear quickly on the RC web sites but others do not?

 

[Jamshyd]

I know if I were shulgin, I'd swear off chemistry and lose faith in humanity, let alone release a new book, after witnessing the Meph-Mania!

I mean one of Shulgin's goals was to perfect MDMA, and here comes a drug that somehow satisfied almost all of those who enjoyed MDMA and yet... it wasn't exactly what the shulgins had in mind...

 

[atara]

I mean one of Shulgin's goals was to perfect MDMA, and here comes a drug that somehow satisfied almost all of those who enjoyed MDMA and yet... it wasn't exactly what the shulgins had in mind...

Didn't satisfy anyone looking for something deeper than another euphoric stim (which we already had in the form of cocaine and 4-methylaminorex). I'd take 5-MeO-MiPT over meph any day.

 

[melange]

regardless of shulgin people will always be creating new compounds

 

[Xamkou]

Mmda-2

 

[misscandy]

Mmda-2

Wishful thinking...

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Didn't satisfy anyone looking for something deeper than another euphoric stim (which we already had in the form of cocaine and 4-methylaminorex). I'd take 5-MeO-MiPT over meph any day.

Apparently "I" should consider joining a different "we", the "we" of which "I" am currently a member does not have 4-methylaminorex I actually feel mephedrone is a better replacement for cocaine than 5meo-mipt is for LSD, but that's the point, we don't have to choose, we can have them all. I wish the RC scene had stayed underground, but then I wish it snowed crystal meth every Christmas eve... Meanwhile, back in the real world 2c-e and 4ac0-dmt are as easy to get as ever. Hell if you'd told me when I was in high school that I would be able to buy hundreds of doses with a credit card for couple bucks per dose and I wouldn't even need to leave home, I would have though you were insane. If you'd have ask me ten years ago I would have bet any amount of money all of the "classic RC's" would be illegal within a year or two. The moves to outlaw new drugs have come at the state level, and have been a complete failure. I live in Ks, first state to ban 018 and 073. The next day thousands of people who had never heard of them until they were banned were driving to the state line to buy some. Within a few weeks K3 (whatever it contains) had replaced K2 in our few headshops. I t think even mephedrone get kind of a bad rap. Ten of thousands did the stuff for months, many of them doing week long runs, and the handful of deaths they tried to stick on it didn't hold up under scrutiny. Alcohol killed more people in the time it took me to write this, uhm, I'm tweaking probably should post this before I write a book

 

[MurphyClox]

I don't agree that Shulgin's book is going to trigger a wave of new compounds on RC sites. There are still a lot of active compounds in PIHKAL that have not yet hit the RC scene. What about the 2-C-X-EtOs? And things like escaline and proscaline? These are easily made. Why do some compounds appear quickly on the RC web sites but others do not?

Maybe due to analogy laws in the countries with some of the biggest number of consuments, which makes escaline and alike a no-go.


- Murphy