The 6-APB thread

[Vurtual]

Hopefully I won't get the several days later shittiness like some have reported with this. I definitely get it with MDMA. It wouldn't have been worth 3-5 days of feeling off-balance. But I have a feeling I'll be okay. It doesn't feel as depleting as MDMA to me... I realize you can't determine this by a drug's feel in your body, but nevertheless, that is my prediction.

Nice to see a report from someone people might trust (whatever you'd have said). From my (limited) experience, i didn't get a noticeable mid-week mood drop except when i overdid it a bit (like redosed over a couple of days - so my own fault). When i did sensible doses (1-2) i didn't notice a mood drop. This is the same as mdma for me - only get the dip when i overdo it (but everyone's limit's different i s'pose).

And even when i did get the mood drop, it wasn't a massive deal for me, just slightly moody for a day (3 days after).

Did you get any visuals from two?

 

[Esoterik]

Did 1.33 pellets in a club and I got some pretty spectacular visuals from the lights, namely the strobes, didn't last very long though.

 

[Xorkoth]

haha..so he in the grey pubie brigade then

Heh, I'm actually 27.

Nice to see a report from someone people might trust (whatever you'd have said). From my (limited) experience, i didn't get a noticeable mid-week mood drop except when i overdid it a bit (like redosed over a couple of days - so my own fault). When i did sensible doses (1-2) i didn't notice a mood drop. This is the same as mdma for me - only get the dip when i overdo it (but everyone's limit's different i s'pose).

And even when i did get the mood drop, it wasn't a massive deal for me, just slightly moody for a day (3 days after).

Did you get any visuals from two?

That's good to hear. I didn't really get any visuals, no, but I don't get visuals easily anymore since I've used so many psychedelics over the years. I could see having some visual effects in a place with crazy lighting and music, but as far as chillin' at home, I didn't notice any.

This morning I feel pretty good after like 4.5 hours of sleep. A little tired, a little bit of remnants of the effects, but I'm in good spirits and not really uncomfortable at all... just a little low on energy.

 

[lolcat313]

I think you should report your experiences here so that knowledge of all sorts exists on the drug.

It has been made apparent that much of the user reporting and discussion lasts about a day before mysteriously disappearing else being reduced to mindless squabbling and arguing, therefore the sharing of knowledge becomes irrelevant if shared on this forum.

 

[coast]

Xorkoth when you said "capsules" are you talking about the the pellets weighing around 400mg that come in the fancy packaging?

 

[wee beefy]

excellent report mate, and 1 peeps should use as a reference for 2 pellets, suprised ya didnt feel more side effects !!though i am in the mindset that this shit is harder on people who are older

p.s.. off to work ya lazy no good mofo's

i'm 48 and i've not had anywhere near the side effects that are being discribed, only lower back pain lasting a few hours.

 

[Xorkoth]

It has been made apparent that much of the user reporting and discussion lasts about a day before mysteriously disappearing else being reduced to mindless squabbling and arguing, therefore the sharing of knowledge becomes irrelevant if shared on this forum.

This is only true of the 6-APB craze in PD... nowhere else does this happen and it hasn't happened in quite a few years now. This thread has been pretty impossible to moderate. This time it's staying clean better than the last iterations, for sure.

 

[Xorkoth]

Xorkoth when you said "capsules" are you talking about the the pellets weighing around 400mg that come in the fancy packaging?

Yeah, the "official" pellets, pressed pellets, yellowish in color. Mine were I think 308mg and 326mg though, not ~400mg.

 

[Vurtual]

It has been made apparent that much of the user reporting and discussion lasts about a day before mysteriously disappearing else being reduced to mindless squabbling and arguing, therefore the sharing of knowledge becomes irrelevant if shared on this forum.

I think it's got a bit better here lately, with more moderation and less volume of useless bickering and chat.

I don't know if this is too off-topic - i got his info from a biased 'official' source, so it could well be bullshit: I heard that the ACMD (uk) are already looking at banning this - at least in part due to the amount of fake versions with random ingredients being put out under the same (awful) name. I guess this would lead to it being banned sooner without even needing the usual data on the harm of the actual (supposed) substance 6-apb (as happened with NRG).

If anyone can find independent confirmation of this source, please post it up

[delete this if it contravenes any rules]

 

[Dope Hat]

Took a pellet last Monday, minimal effects for a few hours then came down, was dissapointed. Took another one on friday for a Dubstep Night, Never felt anything at all, couldnt sleep all night, suffered from a bad headache for a while. Every day since Friday my head still hurts if i say head bang. What a load of shit

 

[Scoobysnacks]

i'm 48 and i've not had anywhere near the side effects that are being discribed, only lower back pain lasting a few hours.

/me points and laughs at grandad haha

i may just be not upto it these days

 

[blobbymahn]

I don't know if this is too off-topic, but I've heard that the ACMD (uk) are already looking at banning this - at least in part due to the amount of fake versions with random ingredients being put out under the same (awful) name. I guess this will lead to it being banned sooner without even needing the usual data on the harm of the actual (supposed) substance 6-apb (as happened with NRG).

source?

 

[Vurtual]

source?

It was admittedly from one of the 'official' sites and i couldn't find a mention in the ACMD website when i looked, so maybe more hot air i suppose - i just assumed the worst and reflex-ranted...
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[Scoobysnacks]

It was admittedly from one of the 'official' sites and i couldn't find a mention in the ACMD website when i looked, so maybe more hot air i suppose - i just assumed the worst and reflex-ranted...
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lmao@ official sites being the source, like ya can believe fuck all they say..jezz c'mon

reason they posted that so everyone buys in bulk when they release the second lot of pellets, asshats id love to plug em all with bleach ...grrrrrr

 

[Vurtual]

lmao@ official sites being the source, like ya can believe fuck all they say..jezz c'mon

Yeah - pinch of salt until the info is confirmed elsewhere, but do you think it sounds unlikely? I'd love for this information to be bullshit.

NRG was banned as far as i understand not becasue the effects of naphyrone, but because it was random substances being sold (some illegal) - this shortens the time to the ban considerably (otherwise they have to wait for a good number of reports on effects of a substance before they can classify it).

(legal bods: please correct me if that's wrong...)

 

[Scoobysnacks]

Yeah - pinch of salt until the info is confirmed elsewhere, but do you think it sounds unlikely? I'd love for this information to be bullshit.

NRG was banned as far as i understand not becasue the effects of naphyrone, but because it was random substances being sold (some illegal) - this shortens the time to the ban considerably (otherwise they have to wait for a good number of reports on effects of a substance before they can classify it).

(legal bods: please correct me if that's wrong...)

mate think ya shd delete ya post till is confirmed , and calm down before ya post again after reading official 6-apb twatter posts and the like, if i was a suspicious man i wd question ya motives, but im not,so i wont haha

 

[doogle2010]

NRG was banned as far as i understand not becasue the effects of naphyrone, but because it was random substances being sold (some illegal) - this shortens the time to the ban considerably (otherwise they have to wait for a good number of reports on effects of a substance before they can classify it).

(legal bods: please correct me if that's wrong...)

This is incorrect. The fact that other substances were being passed off as a particular substance would have no effect on the law. Making naphyrone illegal does not prevent other substances being passed off as that substance - quite separate laws concerning trade description cover that. Naphyrone was banned out of fear it would become a new mephedrone. Equally, although parliament have to take the ACMD's advice before legislating, there is no requirement for parliament to investigate effect before making a law. The doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty means that parliament can make any law that they wish about anything, and for any reason. For example, they could ban red socks tomorrow with life imprisonment as punishment, and that would be legal.

I'm a lawyer.

 

[farmaz]

i had a email from a site saying now they have "official" 6-apb, they say there dose is now 150mg per "pellet" they also still seem to be saying there green caps (am i gonna get banned for that lol)

Anyone know anything in relation to making the dose a extra 50% more powerfull?........sounds kinda shady to me & i really was hoping now were in August all this stuff would have been sorted out but it still sounds too hit & miss for me tbh.

 

[Vurtual]

mate think ya shd delete ya post till is confirmed , and calm down before ya post again after reading official 6-apb twatter posts and the like, if i was a suspicious man i wd question ya motives, but im not,so i wont haha

I've edited the post to qualify the source a bit. Take it as it is; but lets not back and forth about it anymore - we don't want to kill the thread again (PM me if that's not good enough, but you're not a mod so i might ignore you).

/@doogle; cheers for that - i bow to your knowledge. I just thought i heard that NRG as a brand had been banned in some way, because none of the samples they bought actually had Naphyrone in them (i must have got this wrong)

 

[doogle2010]

/@doogle; cheers for that - i bow to your knowledge. I just thought i heard that NRG as a brand had been banned in some way, because none of the samples they bought actually had Naphyrone in them (i must have got this wrong)

No problem. For interest's sake, the statutory instrument used to ban 'naphyrone' states that the following now falls under part 2, schedule 2 Misuse of Drugs Act 1971:

Any compound structurally derived from 2–aminopropan–1–one by substitution at the 1-position with any monocyclic, or fused‑polycyclic ring system (not being a phenyl ring or alkylenedioxyphenyl ring system), whether or not the compound is further modified in any of the following ways, that is to say,

(i)by substitution in the ring system to any extent with alkyl, alkoxy, haloalkyl or halide substituents, whether or not further substituted in the ring system by one or more other univalent substituents;

(ii)by substitution at the 3–position with an alkyl substituent;

(iii)by substitution at the 2‑amino nitrogen atom with alkyl or dialkyl groups, or by inclusion of the 2‑amino nitrogen atom in a cyclic structure.”.​

So, calling a substance 'naphyrone' or NRG1 is not illegal, but passing off another chemical as a trader may be unlawful under trade description. From my understanding, very little naphyrone was actually available and sold in the UK.

edit: should add, possibly fraud as well depending on the circumstances. I'm not sure why the police are not shutting down various online vendors. Also, the people selling tablets of 6apb are likely in breach of the Medicines Act 1968.