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THCV increases absorption of THC and other cannabinoids, it packs more of a punch than THC would alone (albeit somewhat "clearer"), but it shortens duration. Came to find out last year that THCV is abundant in pretty much all the outdoor samples that I (and others) had gotten tested using cannalytics; thin layer chromotography. Amongst the samples I sent in, the following contained (significant) amounts of THCV: Blueberry, Jackberry, Lebanese & my own Thai, the Thai and Jackberry were grown indoors. Nearly all of the bud samples which were grown outside contained more THCV than usual (except my Dieselryder, which contained none). Another grower used a Jackberry under plasma lighting (it's spectrum is more comparable to that of the sun and it also emits uvb) and the THCV contents were raised compared to my indoor sample, which was grown under HPS (no uv lighting).

Pretty safe assumption would be that the spectrum of the sun and uv lighting is favourable to THCV production in cannabis, so all you gotta do is plant a good strain outdoors. ;) The ones I mentioned are pretty much guaranteed to contain THCV, the Jackberry and Blueberry both came from Sannie (dutch breeder, used Mota's seeds) & the Lebanese came from Bluehemp. Had to add that last bit of info, there's different kinds of Blueberry and Lebanese out on the market, undoubtedly the cannabinoid ratio's will also be different.
 
^ Very interesting, thank you. The fact that you mention uv exposure reinforces my belief that THCV is the one factor that the Durban and Indian cannabis had in common (both grown outdoors).

I am familiar with Sannie actually, as he was the person who was recommended for Lowryder as well. Cheers, and thanks for the tip! :)
 
Is anyone breeding anything at the moment?

Im not, i'd love to though. Hopefully I can start on some outdoor beans this year and cross Trainwreck and Hawaiian snow then continue to grow out untill they become a stable strain.

What are some strains you'd like to cross?
 
Got one more question for blowmonkey (and anyone else who knows): Seeing that I would generally go for hash over the usual unknown-strain cannabis sold around my area, is it safe to say that most Hash also probably contains a good level of THCV since it is traditionally derived from outdoors plants?
 
From Hashish! by Robert Connell Clarke:
The traditional sources of sieved hashish such as Afghanistan, Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan and Turkey are all characterised as having relatively large amounts of CBD in relation to the amounts of THC. The level of CBD actually exceeds the amount of THC in some samples. The high levels of CBD could account for the somewhat attenuated, but longer lasting effects associated with hashish from Lebanon, Morocco and Pakistan. Except for Afghanistan, the THCV content of hashish from all these origins is low or negligible. High THCV levels could account for the unique high induced by Afghani hashish. THCV is also found in small amounts in Indian and Nepali hashish.
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So, in answer to your question...no.

IIRC, you're Canadian Jamshyd. In that case, unless you go out of your way to buy imported hash, I would imagine that a lot of the hash you smoke is domestically produced from indoor plants anyway.

Seems like it might be time take your THCV theory back to the drawing board...
 
Something doesn't add up (well something didn't add since the beginning, hence my looking at THCV for answers :)).

I don't find hash to be stupefying/couchlock at all. It may not be as psychedelic-like as some cannabis, but it is still even less-so the former, and it is consistently the least anxiety-producing cannabis product (as opposed to oil).

Btw, you'd be surprised at the disconnect between East and West in Canada. In Ontario, getting anything from BC, be it the "hydro" super organic weed or the bubblehash, is considered a luxury here. The hash we do get seems to be mostly moroccan and lebanese, and it is actually very uncommon.
 
See, I really prefer smoking hash as well, the high just seems to have a clarity and a cleanliness that marijuana doesn't produce for me. I always chalked it up to a high CBD content, but then I'm not a fan of muggy, heavy highs either. Hopefully blowmonkey can inform us what mysterious compound it is that produces these desirable effects. In a fit a pure speculation, I'm thinking that it could be the lack of some cannabinoid that modulates the high, which is present in the rest of the plant but not very concentrated in the resin. On the other hand, it could indeed be CBD (which reduces the anxiogenesis of THC) that we enjoy, and that the stupefying high is due to some other component. Who knows.

You're completely right, my knowledge of the Canadian cannabis market is very limited and superficial. I suppose that given the geographical vastness of the country a good deal of difference across it is only to be expected.
 
I would have assumed it was the lack of CBD/N in the hash that produces a more apparent "clear" high.

That said, I've smoked plenty of hash and eaten plenty of oil that has made me ultra couch-locked. So yes, something doesn't add up.

edit: You may find this helpful:

Yesyesyes, but if you were to take hash that is say 60% THC and allow it to oxidize (the natural process during aging) and then ...age it until that 60% THC has oxidized into CBD. I actually think it's CBN but it could be called PJDJY and the topic would still be clear. You would then have what?

See the way I'm thinking since most strains, actually since all strains have their THC ratio to CBD/CBN lower (have you ever seen a strain with 7% THC and 10% CBD?) most people have only been subjected to the THC counterpart, so if theres never enough CBD/CBN to be tolerated nobody will ever develop a tolerance to CBD/CBN. Since most strains like I said above never have more than like 4% CBD (that I can find), there could be something valueable gained out of taking a large quanity of tolerance inducing THC-hash and converting it into a large quanity of untoleable CBD/CBN-hash.

Did that make any sense?
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Yes, but from my understanding in Organic Chemistry, and knowledge of the delta nine compound at best what happened was some thc decomposed as it oxidized what my have given a different high, but unless you stem distill the thc outa the resin glans, the ratios shouldn't change that much besides what the oxidized decomposed compound margen is.

CBN (Cannabinol) is produced as THC ages and breaks down, this process is known as oxidization. High levels of CBN tend to make the user feel messed up rather than high.
CBN levels can be kept to a minimum by storing cannabis products in a dark, cool, airtight environment. marijuana should be dry prior to storage, and may have to be dried again after being stored somewhere that is humid.



Cannabidiol - CBD also occurs in almost all strains. Concentration range from none, to about 95 percent of the total cannabinoids present. THC and CBD are the two most abundant naturally occurring cannabinoids. CBD is not psychotomimetic in the pure form, although it does have sedative, analgesic, and antibiotic properties.
In order for CBD to affect the high, THC must be present in quantities ordinarily psychoactive. CBD can contribute to the high by interacting with THC to potentiate (enhance) or antagonize (interfere or lessen) certain qualities of the high.
CBD appears to potentiate the depressant effects of THC and antagonize is excitatory effects. CBD also delays the onset of the high but can make it last considerably longer (as much as twice as long). The kind of grass that takes a while to come on but keeps coming on. "also known as a creeper effect"
Opinions are conflicting as to whether it increases or decreases the intensity of the high, intensity and high being difficult to define. Terms such as knock-out or sleepy, dreamlike, or melancholic are often used to describe the high from grass with sizeable proportions of CBD and THC.
When only small amounts of THC are present with high proportions of CBD, the high is more of a buzz, and the mind feels dull and the body de-energized.
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing :)

So perhaps the culprit here is CBN? From what I've read so far, CBD (and CBDV) seems more benificial than not (just like THCV). As such, I actually have no problem with indica (and in fact, may prefer some indica genetics in what I smoked - just like the stuff in India).

The only one that seems wholly negative is CBN, which is probably present in large quantities in the nameless schwag people grow here (these are typically highschool children) that is never really cured properly.

So it seems I am not so much looking for the presence of a substance, but rather the absence of CBN?
 
CBG? I'm going to have to do some reading on that one.

Edit: CBG is non-psychoactive, so I assume it's rather useless. Further, it appears in Hemp plants rather than home-grown smoked cannabis. Further, CBG binds to your CB2 receptors, yet it doesn't seem to do much of anything at that site. It also binds to CB1 though to a lesser extent. So based on that information, I'd say you want no CBG as it serves no proven purpose and it's just one of those near-hundred Cannabigerol found in cannabis.

I was unable to find a high CBG strain as it doesn't occur in cannabis which is used as a drug in concentrated amounts, only in hemp.
 
^One might even posit that CBG is one of the undesirable "headache" compounds that make smoking low-grade weed unpleasant. i mean, aren't all cannabinoids other than THC non-psychoactive, though some serve to alter the effects of THC?
 
I walked out to the mailbox yesterday & there was a package from 1 of my grower pals [this one's in Canada]. A belated b-day present [my b-day was Aug 1] & in it was: 1/2 oz of Morning Moon...1/2 oz of Lemon Larry [new 1 to me]...& a nice big chunk of hash.
I tried some Morning Moon last night & whoa!! I was orbittal for hours. I ground-up 1 bud in my grinder & had to take my little electric-shaver brush & get all the trichs off the grinder spokes.
I can hardly wait to try the Lemon Larry & I haven't smoked any hash in years!! It's a great week!!
 
Yerg said:
i mean, aren't all cannabinoids other than THC non-psychoactive, though some serve to alter the effects of THC?
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Yeah, that's probably true, my point was CBG is simply inactive at both your CB1 and CB2 sites so it's likely it just causes effects you don't want. Either way, it probably won't appear in concentrated doses in anything you are smoking, unless it's literally hemp or wild cannabis.
 
Question: they say that (some?) industrial hemp contains high levels of CBN. Are these levels high enough for one to use things like hemp-oil medicinally for the benefits of CBN?

As an aside, the other day I drank a couple of hemp-beers and a couple shots of tequila (light drinking by my tolerance standards). The next day I had the most horrendous hangover I've ever experienced!
 
Jamshyd said:
Question: they say that (some?) industrial hemp contains high levels of CBN. Are these levels high enough for one to use things like hemp-oil medicinally for the benefits of CBN?

As an aside, the other day I drank a couple of hemp-beers and a couple shots of tequila (light drinking by my tolerance standards). The next day I had the most horrendous hangover I've ever experienced!
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I'm basing this off of what I've once heard, but I'm not sure if it's fact... I believe you need THC in order for CBN/Ds to be active. They simply alter the way THC is binding and reacting in your CB1 and CB2 receptor sites. This is coming from my very loose understanding of neurobiology, though.
 
Jamshyd said:
Hmm... my understanding was that CBD, by being an antagonist, actually has a medicinal effect all of its own and is even being researched as a medication?

Check out the wiki for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol

Of course, the idea is not to get high, but rather if there is enough CBD in hemp to provide its medicinal benefits?
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According to one of the studies, it hasn't had proven effects when administered alone (without other cannabidiols or THC - or any variation of it) other than slight sedation. However, according to a human research test, it is said to produce stimulant effects. So now we've got two competing theories, one which states it cause mild sedation in Animals, and another which states stimulant use in Humans...

So, go figure. Honestly, it seems there is too much misinformation out there. I suppose in theory, such a concoction is possible, though it's effects are likely less medicinal than MJ itself prior to any extractions - I'm not sure why anyone would work towards such a thing unless they truly have no faith that MJ will be legalized or at least MMJ in the near future.

Do you mind me asking why? Perhaps if I have better insight I could answer the question better. Trying to extract CBD from Hemp?

EDIT: This may help you! I see the medical community is growing interest in CBD/Ns very quickly, almost as if to replace the usefulness of THC combined with these cannaboids.
 
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