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2C-E - Semi-Experienced - "Difficult but worthwhile"

Jesusgreen

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Posted this elsewhere first, but here's my report:

As Shulgin himself said, this chemical can be rather difficult, but trust me, it is most definitely worth it.

Last night I set out to do something a little different with 2C-E. I found most of my trips were spent talking on MSN, listening to a bit of music, watching films, and such, rather empty tasks that were simply enhanced by the drug. This time I decided to go for something more meaningful.

I believe the use of entheogens, both natural and man-made, is rooted in the art of shamanism - shamanism is a rather shady thing these days, one of the many occult followings that has so many frauds and delusional people who believe they are something they are not. I see shamanism as the art of making something useful out of the psychedelic experience, using the skills of our elders. I am no more a "shaman" than you are, we all have the capability to use proven past methods to learn more from our trips.

At around 10pm last night I dosed approximately 30mg 2C-E nasally. This seems like a very hefty dose but I have been tripping every few days recently so I do have a bit of a tolerance - I'd estimate with no tolerance this would be the equivalent to 20mg nasally. The burn from snorting this was almost unbearable - particularly since the drip was burning my throat too, I was in tears from the pain it was so bad, the initial pain (which quickly subsided) was worth it though.

I spent the first hour browsing the Nexus and other drug sites, as well as talking in a drug-related IRC channel. Soon the chat was too hard to follow and so I started a couple of IRC conversations in PM, which I could follow with much less difficulty. At 10:30pm I went to the bathroom, my bathroom is laden with mosaic tiles, and each of these tiles was swirling and morphing like a scene from Fear and Loathing - the walls and ceiling seemed to be leaning in, the door was sinking into the floor - none of my previous experiences with 2C-E have been this visual. By 10:40pm I was experiencing light synaesthesia, the letters, words and objects on my screen and around my room were dancing to the beat of the trance music that I was listening to, I could feel the beat of the music flowing through me, the euphoria was incredible. I laughed out loud while reading the 2C-E article on Wikipedia, as it suggests that euphoria on 2C-E is rare, well - if it is rare for you, you are unlucky, I have yet to have an experience that wasn't profoundly euphoric with this substance.

At around 11:10pm I disconnected from IRC, closed my browser window and turned off my computer. I went to the bathroom and once again the tiles were morphing and spinning, it was like some strange circus amusement, everything took on a rather grotesque but interesting image. I remember looking at my face in the mirror and seeing the shades of my skin shift and change, the edges of my face elongating and shrinking while I watched them. I went back to my bedroom and laid down in my bed, getting my phone, plugging my headphones on, and putting on: "Snake Body" from http://www.willfortune.com/PeaksExperiences < I did this because I wanted to see how a guided track would help my trip. My first attempt was not too successful, I took pleasure in imagining myself as a snake, but my CEVs throughout the track were very random and unrelated. Next I attempted that of the Jaguar, this time I was much more successful, I felt myself walking through the depths of the jungle, I heard the echoes of distant animals far off, I heard the leaves crackling under my feet. My visuals were largely unrelated to the Jaguar once the regular music kicked in but it was very pleasant and interesting, upon returning to my body I felt revived. I stood up after this experience and stood in the middle of my room, I felt drawn there for some reason. Suddenly there was a loud crash to my left, I opened my wardrobe, and the inside of the wardrobe - thick plastic, had collapsed in on itself under the weight of just a few hangers.. I'm not sure why or how, but it did worry me at the time. Anyway, I laid back in bed and calmed down..

In a recent 2C-E trip I "made contact" with an Octopus entity. Those who know a little about shamanism will know that underwater creature such as the Octopus reside in the "Lower World" - so I decided to journey there. I turned on a drumming track and let myself slip to a level below consciousness, I could see the Lower World opening up before my eyes, I felt the presence of the Octopus once again. A friend had asked me to ask if it was an extra terrestrial of some kind, so I did, it laughed and said "No, but I might as well be for how foreign I seem to your kind", I then asked it if I was free to explore the rest of the Lower World, and if I could meet other entities there. It said I could, but it warned me that this could be dangerous and unpleasant. Nonetheless I began to explore, expanding further into the Lower World, I quickly realised that during a previous trip where I had experienced ego loss, I had left a part of me down here. The problem was, at this point I was passing some unpleasant entities, my CEVs became faces of clowns, dead bodies, blood, gore, the stuff of nightmares - I asked the Octopus to help me, but it was leaving this up to me. Eventually I decided to press on, I continued to explore, eventually the dark thoughts seemed to cease a little, and I realised I was approaching the part of my soul that I had left behind. Upon reaching it I drew it into my body, feeling the restored energy and health as it returned to me, I then explored further, wandering around the Lower World as I waited for the drum track to end. As it ended, I returned to my body refreshed, feeling the renewed vigour as I felt more whole again.

I then made another journey back to the Lower World, this was just for exploration purposes. I passed many strange entities, both friendly and malicious, I explored, I learned various things - many of which I cannot recall very accurately now, it was quite an eerie experience but as the drums eventually ceased I was brought back, whole again, glad that I had made the journey.

Next I put on one of the tracks from http://www.willfortune.com/PeaksExperiences again. This time "Eagle Spirit" - now this was a real success. Eagles, being a creature of the skies, are part of the Upper World. The Upper World also has links to space, where the dissociative Ketamine has often taken me. As he described the Eagle I was becoming, I felt my arms become feathered wings, I rose into the sky, feeling the air under my wings, gliding effortlessly, feeling the breeze around me. I swooped over the ground, seeing small animals that were prey to me, swooping down to scare one, but soaring back up again to view my surroundings. I saw the forest around me, the river below me, I saw other birds, I heard the cries of animals in the forest. I felt one with the Eagle. As the track shifted into the music, I soared higher, and higher, and higher, until I was no longer flying in our world, but up in space, the stars and planets surrounding me, glistening in the empty blackness that enveloped them. Remembering what my friend had asked, I decided to seek out some kind of extra terrestrial entity, it wasn't long before I found several, with strange faces and bodies, resembling ancient Gods. I spoke to them, and asked them several questions, unfortunately I don't really remember the questions or the answers, but I was content, and I very much enjoyed speaking to them. One thing I remember one of them telling me is that "We survive in very different conditions to your own, you should not look at us as anything like humans or the many different species' you find on your planet" (the wording isn't exact, but you get the drift)

Eventually I was brought back after this amazing experience. I once again took another journey to the Lower World, speaking to the Octopus again and asking it for advice on various life issues. It gave me some of the answers I was looking for, and assured me that other answers would come to me soon. During this experience I focused on each of my three dogs, blessing them, taking time to channel healing energy to them - sending them love and happiness, and asking that they live long and healthy lives, I then did the same for my close family members, my extended family, my friends, their friends.. their friends, and so on until I had sent love and positivity to each and every being in the world, asking that each person have at least one extra smile due to my experience. The experience ended very positively as I was brought back into my body once again.

After my journeys, or some time in between them, I can't really remember which. I opened my notebook and began to draw, I did not know what I was drawing, but it started with a small triangle and ended up becoming an Octopus, it really felt as if someone else had made me draw it. I might upload a picture later if I can, but don't expect anything great, I'm useless at drawing.

I then went on MSN for a while, talking to a few people about random things, generally being quite cheery. Then I watched some porn, listened to some music and went to bed. It was now 4:30AM, making it 6 hours 30 minutes since my trip began - it was still very visual at this point but I was worn out, and so I slept.

I woke up about an hour ago feeling very refreshed and lively, and immediately came on my computer to write this report while it is all still fresh in my memory. I hope you all enjoyed reading it, and any comments or any similar experiences you've had would be much appreciated.

Edit: Forgot to mention in this report, during my experience I also discovered that my "power animal" is a tiger. Whether or not this is of any significance I'm not sure yet.

Does anyone else bring old shamanic practices into their trips, if so, has it benefited you?
 
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Very nice reports......I personally feel that all of the visions are just manifestations of your preset trip. If you set out to see certain animals or an entitiy(thinking of salvia on the entitiy) then you full-fill your mission. I use tripping to see "naked-existence" without any imprints and imposing ego games. Glad you enjoyed 2c-e as yes it is very difficult but beautiful.
 
Very nice reports......I personally feel that all of the visions are just manifestations of your preset trip. If you set out to see certain animals or an entitiy(thinking of salvia on the entitiy) then you full-fill your mission. I use tripping to see "naked-existence" without any imprints and imposing ego games. Glad you enjoyed 2c-e as yes it is very difficult but beautiful.

I agree. I don't think there are any set rules to tripping, I think it is about finding the method that works best for you. Personally for me drum tracks and these old "shamanic" methods greatly improved my trip, making it very interesting and deep. I'll definitely be using them in future.

Thanks for reading and glad you liked the report :)
 
Have you tried 2c-P by the way......kind of like a first cousin of ce...a little colder at first, and a lot stronger but very powerful visuals...very powerful :)

I haven't yet, I plan to try it at some point though. I've heard some very good things about it, the only thing that concerns me is the duration, as I prefer to trip at night for more meaningful experiences - and the 6-7 hour duration of nasal 2C-E is long enough as it is.

I am definitely looking forward to trying 2C-P, 2C-B, 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 when I get the chance though. I am interested in other 2Cs too but those are the ones I'm most interested in.
 
I love 2c-t-2...take it the most often...never had cb or ct-7 as they are sch. I here in the states. I am in the minority and love 2c-i....I know it is shallow in a sense but in higher doses it gets so beautiful and music sounds unbelievable on it that it is in my top 5. I haven't done as many tryptamines because most of them are sch. I here.
 
I love 2c-t-2...take it the most often...never had cb or ct-7 as they are sch. I here in the states. I am in the minority and love 2c-i....I know it is shallow in a sense but in higher doses it gets so beautiful and music sounds unbelievable on it that it is in my top 5. I haven't done as many tryptamines because most of them are sch. I here.

I have heard some very good things about 2C-T-2 and would love to try it. I've heard a lot of good things about the others too. 2C-I also interests me but I am primarily interested in the deeper psychedelics first before I explore the more entactogenic and less visual ones. I would not pass up the chance to try it, but I have a long list of things that I'd like to try at the moment so it isn't my top priority just yet.

I would love to read some literature on the type of tripping you are into(Shamanism)......what is a good book/video to start out on. I love new ways to enjoy tripping :)

Unfortunately I have not been able to find all that much myself, there are some but it is hard sifting through all the "fraud" - as there are always many people trying to make money and fame off the occult. While it is not about shamanism itself, I definitely recommend "Food of the Gods" by Terrence McKenna as it goes into a lot of detail about the link between the shaman and the mushroom (and other psychedelics).

I did find a lot of useful and helpful information about shamanism here though:
http://www.tengerism.org/

If you read in depth you will notice there are many differences between the views expressed on that site and the methods I used, however it is a good place to find some of the core values of shamanism - and what it is really about.

Although a little obvious, the Wikipedia page on Shamanism is very complete and has a lot of information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism

If I can find some of the other sites and books I've learnt from I'll let you know. It's a very interesting subject.
 
Thanks I will check out that site when I get a chance....do you ever vist ego-death.com? It is a great site for everything from ego construct processing through entheogenic spiritual development....great site!
 
Thanks I will check out that site when I get a chance....do you ever vist ego-death.com? It is a great site for everything from ego construct processing through entheogenic spiritual development....great site!

Admittedly I've never been to that site before. I just tried it and it didn't work, but egodeath.com did, so I assume that's the one you mean, thanks, I'm bookmarking it now and I'll take a read after I eat breakfast in a moment.

Also when you try 2c-t-2 try to stay away from cheese/etc. because it has slight MAOI properties. It can be visual stunning with eyes open and allows you to enter any bardo you wish :)

Thanks I'll keep that in mind.
 
Yeah I don't know why I put the - in between..too early in the morning I guess. That is a great site and if you get lazy they have lessons where they read them to you. The day before a trip I like to sit down with a few rips and listen to the newest stuff...really interesting.
 
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